nisr227

A CTR does 60-100 in about 10secs, a UK turbo is about half a second quicker, so on the road there wouldn't be much of a noticable difference, its still very quick for a fwd hatch with only 197bhp. Going by my experience of Demo runs in a CTR they do suffer from traction out of slow corners, but we are not talking about this.

One of the most impressive cars to cover this performance range is the Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo with about 8.5 seconds for "just 220bhp", a CTR will not keep up with one after 60. Its mainly down to power and aerodynamics above 60 (a few other items).

I personally think that the CTR is similar to the scoob, and that "some" drivers do think they are one of the quickest cars on the road, there are many quicker.

nisr227

......sorry forgot to mention...I was reading an American Porshe Mag today with a road legal 856bhp GT2....timed at 2.9secs from 60-100 with wheel spin (rwd). The offical figures were:

0-60 3.6 (rwd!)
0-100 in 6.5 (with wheels still spinning)
0-124 in 8.9
0-188 in 21.0secs.

And the car is still going through its setting up progress so should be quicker.

LG John

A lot of peeps on this site have reported a spanking from a fiat coupe above 60mph. Given that my mate had the 20V fiat I set my targets on beating its 60-100 time when I set about modding my car. I'm pleased to say I should be there or there abouts as I'm getting consistant 7-8 second 65-105 runs on different days, in different weathers and sometimes 2 up

I think 10 seconds is a little harsh for the CTR from what I saw today I'd say they are good for around 9 dead

LG John

Those porka stats make me dribble

shocker

Hi guys i actually sold a bmw 535 to buy my scoob, big mistake ,just have to do with my civic r until i can afford another bmw
shocker

LG John

Whats your beef shocker? Is the scooby to uncivilised, loud, poorly built, etc in comparison to the BMW? I certainly wouldn't mind if I was having to make do with a type r

shocker

Hi saxo boy
dont get me wrong about scoob , it was the fastest thing i ever drove in a straight line after spending a fortune on mods but every time i drove it something broke or needed replacing after a track day , not so the bmw it is a total ly diffrent build at 150mph the bmw was so quiet you could even here the switch on the pedal clicking not so in the scoob you thought you were on the space shuttle,ok the type r might not be as fast as a modded scoob but at least it enginered properly like the bmw , type r amazing round corners doesnt under steer like scoob but does take time to wind it up and sounds amazing on the vtec so not knocking scoob but think i will stick with type r and fit turbo kit when warrentys up
shocker
ps if you want a drive in civic give me a shout next time your going to a track night as mates still got there scoobs

Mycroft

Int'restin'

Lexus Soarer Twin-Turbo Automatic (modded)
0-60mph 5.0secs, 0-100 10.1secs, 0-120 13.2 secs.
60-120 single gear 8.5 secs
60-100 (utilising Torque Convertor as you would on the road if overtaking a line of traffic) <5secs

LG John

This is all so familure There is something to be said for the peice of mind you get from a new standard car with a warranty.

See you at the track mate

skiddus_markus

You're not kidding.What's that at-around 400-450bhp(don't know what torque they make)?

Mycroft

The total spent is just £1500 for intake/IC/Engine/Box/exhaust mods, yeah that takes the 280hp to around 380hp/420ftlbs.

I have an 800ps version for sale yours for £12k, 10sec quarters 205mph top speed, running a T78, 12grand and you can go give Rocket Ronnie and his Skyline a bit of a brown trouser moment.

VFM = Soarer TT.

Go here, mine now.
http://toyotaimportsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=193

[Edited by Mycroft - 12/29/2002 5:48:46 PM]

[Edited by Mycroft - 12/29/2002 5:49:36 PM]

lpitt

Ok, I think I have the definitive answer.

Won't say where this was done but I went with my son to an airstrip on a military camp where we can try this kind of thing (as it's quite currently).

Started timing just after shifting to 3rd, hits 105 in 4th.

We tried it three times and here are the results:

3 seconds
1 second
1 second

So the average is: 2.5 seconds

Not bad eh? I'm impressed.

To prove accuracy. My son is 5 and was sat in the back seat timing me on his new Harry Potter watch so there could be a small margin of error here

According to JC on Top Gear last night the M27 is good for testing fast cars so I might try it again later just to check the figures

Laurence

SJobson

Tested my CTR when it had done about 1000 miles, on the sliproad from the M1 to the M10. I used 60-100 since I have no idea how much the speedo overreads, and only got the chance to do it once (but my timing was practised since I'd been doing 30-70s earlier that morning).

Time: 9.88s.

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

SJobson - Whereabouts in the revs were you when you started timing ?

LG John

Bless his cotton socks

Jobson was that going up or down the slip-road? If its only just over 1000 miles it'll loosen up yet

bluenose172

iTrader: (2)

I just tried in the Clio from 60-100MPH. Timed it at just under 10 seconds. I held it at just below 60 in 3rd gear changed up just under 90.

Admittedly it's a rough way to time it, hopefully I'll get an opertunity to get use my AP meter at some point, however I've always had problems using it to time 30-70's etc, always seems fine when doing 0-??. Has anyone got any idea what I might be doing wrong?

SJobson

It was going slightly uphill, coming off the M1 south onto the M10. And it's got 9,500 miles up now so I should probably try again.

Started in 3rd gear, approx 6000rpm, up to 8000rpm (now I know where the limiter cuts in I'd take it to 8,400-ish) then 4th, 6000-8000rpm again (ish).

323GTR

Tested mine some time ago using my AP22, this was before I fitted the bigger I/C and boost controller, since then the clutch slips too much so that's the next upgrade. Also, my rev limiter was cutting in slightly early, due to a dodgy water temp sensor, so the car would only run to 58mph in 2nd gear, that means the 60 - 100 is just in 3rd and 4th gears.

0 - 60 = 5.52
0 - 100 = 13.19
so 60 - 100 = 7.67

Not bad, the car with all mods owes me less than £5K and grp 15 insurance. It should do sub 7 secs once I get round to fitting the new clutch.

GaryM

Tried mine last night if anyone is still interested :-)

Run 1 8.5s 65 - 105
Run 2 8.3s 65 - 105
Run 3 8.3s 60 - 100
Run 4 8.9s 65 - 105

This speed range is ideal for the CTR as 3rd gear has just hit the VTEC at 6000 ish at 60 mph and 4th just passes the redline around 105mph.

LG John

Not bad gary at about 1 full second behind my car. This is probably consistent with what I saw on the road. There is no doubting IMO that the CTR is very fast and I personally think the 172 camp that believe they can keep up with them are being a little optomistic. Just IMHO

shocker

HI saxo boy
we are talking about a chipped turbo car against a standard non turbo car ,well thats not fair mees thinks ,just wait till ctr owners get a few of these turbo kits fitted or able to buy engine mods like the ctr touring car ,i dont think you will be saying its 1 second behind me , so come on guys stop comparing turbos against nomally asperated cars ,as having owned both its alot easyer to make a turbo car faster and make it still look standard like turning up boost which most people do and dont let on ,so putting up a standard ctr time against a turbo is not realy fair
shocker

LG John

I know that But I'm not really in a position to compare any car to anything other than my own car....for obvious reasons! Having driven standard MY99's, standard bugeyes and standard CTR's I can say that IMO the CTR will be very nearly, if not, as quick as an MY99 from 60-100mph and will be faster than a bugeye. But they are a different kind of car designed to do a different thing. Often I find myself nailing the scooby down a motorway and thinking 'wish I had a supra' when I hit 90mph like a brick wall. Then I turn off on to a tight c class road and punch in 2nd and 3rd gear from corner to corner. Its then that I smile because that's why I bought the car and with the best will in the world the sort of roads I'm talking about could not be VTEC'd at all time and even in the dry traction would be an issue.

In an ideal world I'd have several cars in a nice big garage to suit my mood or the type of driving I'm going to do. But I need an all-rounder and the scooby fits the bill pretty well. If I went back to hot-hatches I'd strive for a CTR

lpitt

Actually the CTR does pretty well down 'B' roads. It's just a different driving style. Once you get used to caning along and keeping the revs above 5k constantly it's as much fun as a Scooby. Ok, so admittedly AWD confidence is missing but that doesn't reduce the fun at all.

When I sold the Scooby and got the CTR there were a couple of embarrassing experiences with traction (one especially so at a set of traffic lights) but after a few thousand miles it's all sorted.

IMO both cars have that rare feature of being able to put a massive smile on your face just when you need it

Laurence

LG John

I can quite believe it would be a good b-road machine and massively enjoyable too but my favourite roads are c-roads. There are a number of these where I work in East Lothian and they are very remote and your lucky if you see another car. Usually when I drive them I'm getting wheel spin 70% of the time as you never leave 3rd gear and the road surface is shocking and usually muddy from farm vehicles. That's what the scooby is all about IMO. The VTS used to be a waste of time on these roads but great on the b-roads

I think if I had some more cash my ideal 2 car combo would be a CTR as a daily driver and a STI V Type R (modified to **** of course) for fun and weekends.

Ali-T

Hi SJ and Lawrence.

I did this test about 6 months ago on the flat with about 3000 miles on the clock. I got around 9.3secs. 60 -100 in the CTR is almost ideal as it starts with the VTEC in 3rd being engaged and only involves one change to get to around 7,700 at 100 (4th reds at 105). It flatters to decieve.

The CTR is a quick hatch, not the Millenium Falcon! And 6.3 secs to 60? No chance, not without coating the ground in superglue first. Off line traction just wouldn't allow it. 6.5-6.8 is far more realistic. Anyone claiming 8's for 60-100 needs to be taught to use mph , not kph

[Edited by Ali-T - 1/13/2003 6:25:25 PM]

Ali-T

Ooh! Maybe I was wrong. Tried this twice yesterday now and managed an 8.4 and 8.6!!! That was using my trusty stopwatch and is probably a bit vague, but it certainly is faster than when it was young. Mileage is now 10k so I guess they do get faster as the miles pile on!!!

LG John

Sorry Ali-T but any times from the Central Belt in the last few days are next to useless given the wind conditions. When I was heading home last night I nailed it from Sherrifhall Roundabout and managed to catch a very gusty tail wind. I couldn't believe my eyes when I watched the speedo! Defo cracked 100mph 1-2 seconds quicker than usual

juan

missus had a coupe 20V turbo+ until a colleague wrote it off last month. It was very very very nice at speed.
I thought 0-60 on these was actually meant to be 6.5 though so that would knock a little more off the 60-100 time cos to be honest I can't believe it would take 8.5 seconds. It could probably do the whole lot in 3rd. Man wish I could test it again

My ol Mitsi Evo (which was admitedly set up mainly for acceleration to 70/80ish) would kill it to 60 but 60 - 100 no chance.

using manual timing gear though for your measurements (ie a stopwatch and your eyes!) could easily give you up to a 20% misreading though, either way, depending on how 'optimistic' you are (could easily be a subconscious thing).


http://www.live2cruize.com/fiat.htm shows fiat coupe 60-100 as being 8 seconds flat due to the correct 0-60 speed (2 up with 20kg baggage). This is the same 60-100 as a 22B? It also shows gear ratios but to be honest I'm not sure how to convert this into max speeds for each gear. 3rd could defo be somewhere around the ton though.


[Edited by juan - 1/14/2003 4:26:45 PM]

GaryM

Hey Ali-T,

Apology accepted :-)

Ali-T

Saxo Boy, i would agree but the wind at that point was actually blowing across the way!!! I cancelled out the tail wind version which was sub 8 secs.

If only i could buy my own personal tail wind