LG John

Yeah I agree those cars will all be there or there abouts the same 60-100 but the fiat coupe at about 8-8.5 seconds would be the fastest....I managed to achieve an average of 7.5 for 60-100

You'll not believe the fastest claimed 60-100 time from a CTR!! Would prefer a few CTR owners to post up before I tell you though

Veracocha

Hehehe, the Civic type R is a nice car but at 197bhp it is not a real heavyweight. For instance, even though I have not seen it with my own eyes I would expect an RS-Focus to beat a Civic at any speed in a straight line.

So come on, put me out of my misery, what are they claiming? 8 seconds?

john banks

Is it faster than my 5.9 ?

john banks

You haven't told me I can stop modding because I have equalled a P1 yet either Kenny

LG John

Oh all right Since its you

One guy said:

Another, who was two up and claimed later to have lost traction a little, said:

These are all standard CTR's If you add the 8.2 60-100 time to a 6.3 0-60 time and you get.....14.5 In short this guys CTR would take a launched (as in full-bore, drop the clutch) classic shaped Impreza from 0-100mph

I know the CTR is quick and especially so from 60-100mph but I've driven one and can't see how 8-9 seconds can be done. I'd expect low 9s maybe which would still give a 0-100 time lower than the book would suggest.

Thoughts

davyboy

Its not very scientific is it.

LG John

Stop John, STOP You're getting very close to being sub 10 secs 0-100...impressive

Actually, I'm being a little unfair the most 'hard to swallow' state thrown up was by a fellow scoobynetter...he'll remain nameless but you know who you are

He has a standard P1....supposidly got 298bhp on a RR and he said:

Bearing in mind that most of this test is done in 3rd gear this standard P1 can match John Banks car (300hp at the friggin wheels!!!) from 65-105 in a higher gear Are P1's this fast??? I was kind of expecting/hoping that my car could stay with one now

LG John

Totally agree Davyboy but everyone was told to make all measures possible to eliminate error and to err on the cautious side with the figures...my 7.5 average was thoroughly tested and I believe to be fairly accurate. If nothing more its a good representation I just can't believe a car that is about as heavy with about 100bhp less would only be 0.5 of a second behind John's car has probably got 100bhp more than me and the difference is more crushing 1.5 seconds....and he probably drove it like a girl

[Edited by Saxo Boy - 12/24/2002 7:36:55 PM]

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Okay my 60-100 result is in . . . .

Bearing in mind slightly up hill (must get my airstrip resurfaced ),cr@p driver, full tank of fuel and girlfriend in the back of the car clutching onto a stopwatch for dear life . . .

2001 CTR Unmodified
7.62 secs

LG John

For sale:

MY99 Impreza with 40k miles in good condition

Full scoobysport exhaust
Tek 3 remap
Clear indicators and side repeaters
STI V intercooler
boost gauge and dawes
Recent tyres and brakes
Recently serviced

Will p/x for a starship CTR

LG John

Dunk with a conservative 6.3 to 60mph you car will do 0-100 in 13.5 seconds!!!!! That surely to god cannot be right!! Is this why I see so many of them around, when you buy one do they give you a special key that unlocks another 100bhp??

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

To be fair the 60-100 time is flattering to the CTR. To 120 it begins to really drag. I'm no expert and certainly don't make a habit of doing this sort of thing, I'm just giving you the time that was displayed on the clock. Did it twice too just to be sure

LG John

Would you expect to stay with a STI V or P1 from 60-100? According to your figures you would Why can't the mags get anywhere near these performance stats?

Do you trust your girlfriend?

Neil XR

iTrader: (1)

according to the spec sheet for my car from turbo technics on a 12 year old dohc sierra with a bolt on turbo kit

0-60mph in 6.5 secs
0-100 mph in 15.3 secs

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Do I trust my girlfriend? Hmmmm, maybe You're beginning to make me doubt now . . . .

Certainly wouldn't expect to keep up with a P1 at any range except maybe 60-100, where the CTR excels. 0-60 is almost impossible to get a good time with little or no traction. And 100+ is quite a labourious process.

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Nope, I've double-checked and shes 100% certain of the time on the watch

Can't explain it myself. Just tried to keep it in the i-VTEC zone and didn't go over 8500rpm.

LG John

Why won't they play with me then? Of all the performance cars in the world I've has most opportunity for some side by side action with CTRs (as recently as this morning) yet they have never been interested If they don't want to play thats fine and I leave them to it but if I had a car that could murder imprezas from anything above 30mph but is percieved to be slower I'd take them on whenever it was safe to do so. So how do you clio cup boys feel now.......still think you can stick with a CTR???

john banks

65-105 in 4th in a P1 in 6 seconds. PMSLOLROTF On the original turbo and intercooler - I think not. Unless the speedo is way out or the stopwatch is crap!

The best published 60-100 for a P1 with timing gear is about 8 seconds AFAIK, and this would be 3rd to 4th.

No, P1s are not that fast, even remapped/decatted ones would not get anywhere near... one I have remapped running 19 PSI dropping off at the top to about 17 PSI which has gone on at Star made 323 BHP and was noticeably less accelerative than my car. The VF28 is not that good LOL.

My 60-120 time was just under 10 as I guessed, but it was not off datalogs this evening.

Ultimately this is a very inaccurate way of figuring a car! I personally think that a g-meter is probably the best method, WITHOUT a gear change. Andy's AP22 has proved itself reliable at least with one rolling road, but how accurate are they

[Edited by john banks - 12/24/2002 8:38:21 PM]

shocker

Hi saxo boy and john banks having owned a scoob and now a ctr ,i would say standard the civic has the edge in the dry , but john your times dont count because your heavly modded scoob against a standard ctr is not very fair and as there is no tuneing parts for the ctr yet, except nitros, i think unmodded times should be posted but then again when nitros gets fitted i might consider posting times

shocker

Hi saxo boy and john banks having owned a scoob and now a ctr ,i would say standard the civic has the edge in the dry , but john your times dont count because your heavly modded scoob against a standard ctr is not very fair and as there is no tuneing parts for the ctr yet, except nitros, i think unmodded times should be posted but then again when nitros gets fitted i might consider posting times

Type R

Thread Hijack

There is a Turbo kit which takes the CTR to 300BHP :0

240BHP has been done on many iVTEC engines in Japan N/A

shocker

sounds tempting any idea what web site its on
shocker

davyboy

It all makes my car look rather good

Porsche 944 Turbo
0-30 - 2 secs
0-60 - 5.7
0-100 - 13.5
60-100 - 7.8

Respect the Porker, it has good brakes too! Did I mention the remap I am getting for 300bhp?

Type R

I think it was Top Fuel, will try to find the site.

DuggE4

you can't just add a 0 - 60 time to a 60 - 100 time and expect it to be accurate. In a true 0 - 100 time you would probably have more gear changes in one session and then there is also the problem of gaining traction on launch. It only needs one slower gear change in the 0 - 100 time to affect the time. The preciseness with how the stopwatch is clicked on and off is also a factor. Add all these potential inaccuracies together and I am not surprised the figures coming out appear to be too good to be true!

To be honest I am not sure what figures really prove, the best way to check out how a car performs is to put it head to head against another model and see which one is in front but again other factors like amount of petrol in tank, driver reaction time, ability to change gear, car mechanics, tyres all play their part and I don't think any of those experiments will prove categorically that one car is 'faster' than another. When you are talking less than a second between each one then I wouldn't like to say for sure which would come up top on a certain day!

JDMCTR

Nah it was Power Engineering Matt, Taka Kaira used to stock it too but have now seemed to have taken it off of their list. Top Fuel is the EK9 stuff

[Edited by JDMCTR - 12/25/2002 8:47:18 AM]

LG John

Do you not find it a little worrying and a little unbelieveable that it would seem that from 60-100mph a CTR would stay with or fractionally beat a 944 turbo

My faith in figures has been seriously dented here! Based on these results it seems that I'd have problems with a CTR but I really don't believe that would be the case on the road. I'm going to load up the boot with humble pie so I can pull over and chow down if I'm proved wrong but for now I won't fear them

The method we have been using to figure 0-100 by adding 0-60 + 60-100 is flawed in that it (in the subaru) doesn't account for the 2nd-3rd gear change. The CTR has a quick and precise box and an extra change would only cost 0.5 of a second...on that basis dunks car seems able to do 0-100 in 14 seconds!!

I'll hopefully find a CTR to play with at crail in the spring and then we'll know

Right girls and boys, get them times up....I got 7.5 and I made all attempts to ensure this is as accurate and conservative as possible. I believe with SUL and freezing weather I might go low 7s

Jonto

CTR have 6-speed boxes so if we both did it in 4th gear, they are pushing a lower ratio to us, hence the quicker times !

That explanation seems far to simple btw !

Happy xmas anyway !

john banks

The errors you get with figuring a car from the speedo are so huge that if a magazine did it their credibility would be down the toilet in an instant. Comparing your own car before/after mods is one thing. When speedos vary between cars by as much as 10% the errors in time estimates can easily be 20% so as to make it useless. Hence a CTR can appear as quick as a P1 and a P1 can appear as quick as a 911, which in standard form is totally b***ox.

I don't think I can add anything else sensible to this (getting rather silly) debate without equally skilled drivers on a strip comparing terminal speeds.

davyboy

No CTR will come past the porker when on boost.

Its not a realistic way of doing it, if you were to sit in the passenger seat your veiw of the speedo is at such an odd angle anyway.

Just find some timed in gear times that are published.