dazc2

if you look on all the threads within the top 15 he has posted almost the same sentence over and over again........even if you reply to him he posts the same sentence......im bored now

Clare

Good, I'm glad. BTW I have posted on Migweb, I have been a member for a while, nearly a year in fact.

I have an Astra SRi, and I have no brand loyalty I'm afraid. Great car, low servicing costs, good MPG, but not the same as davyboy's WRX.

If I could afford a Bugeye, I would have one tomorrow, just not a white one maybe Silver would be cool!

IanW

Guys please dont rise to the bait.

Ian

stevebt

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clare do you think damiens cav turbo (on migweb)would see of an impreza cause that sounds like some beast

Clare

Steve, have no idea, but I'm sure it's possible. Sorry, erm, the Impreza is the fastest car in the world

P.s. shall I mention the Mondeo??

Clare

And Ian, it's only a bit of fun!

GreenAvenger

There's some more cars from MIG that'll give you scoobys a run for ya money.

0ddball

whooops round the outside at tower.

skiddus_markus

Mantamagic-I have absolutely no problems with Vauxhall(apart from Novas but then most people do)but still think a 0-60 of 5-5.5secs is unrealistic for a FWD car with "only" around 200bhp and a relatively high weight.Maybe in something Saxo sized but not a modern medium sized car with all it's safety features/soundproofing etc.
AWD cars with around 280bhp will get times around the 5sec mark(some will be quicker)due to their better traction on launch.
The official 0-100 time does seem slow-do you have to change to 4th to hit the ton?This is down to longer gearing after 2nd(and drag etc)which most cars have.TBH I wouldn't be surprised if the 0-100 was more around the 16 second mark.

Richie1

Yeah ok then....

They are basically the same car - the only diff is the body panels. Same chassis, same mechanicals, same engine etc.


Anyone willing to invest a bit of time (say an hour) into looking at the very recent advances in C20LET tuning (the engine used in the Cavalier and Calibra Turbos) may be somewhat surprised.

Regular (and reliable) 320+BHP C20LET cars are running about all over the UK with 1/4 miles in the range of 13.1 - 13.5 being run all day long.....



As for the comments on the 4WD system..... I refuse to argue with someone or get into a battle of wits over it against an unarmed man



Its nice to see how threatned the owners here are to argue it out yet they say there is no comparison

Imprezas will invariably turn into the boy racer brigades preferred chariots in a few years time so all thats bein lined up here are big slices of humble pie ready for the eating.

Silver-Bullet

MK2 Escort is the best GRP B front engined, RWD rally car.

BUT respect to the opel Ascona which opened a can of Whoop-*** on the Audi Quattro's to win the World Rally Championship (not sure of year..1983???) and driven by Walter Rohl.

I'm sure the Astra 888 is quick..in the dry. Anyone raced one againt a Scooby in the wet on a mingin country lane, I think you will find the Astra on a loosing bet

Besides does any one really give a ****!!!

mantamagic

No way is MK2 Escort the best.

Russell Brookes made the remark that is was the best Front Engined Rear wheel drive rally car. All the top rally drivers used to drive for Vx/Opel. The Manta 400 was a fantastic car, and can whoop the *** of any Mk2 Escorts what with it's circa 280 bhp.

EVO mag is rubbish by the way. 0-100 19.9 seconds my ***.

Rolling road figures for my 888, 235 bhp 250 lb/ft of torque.

Definetly sound like my car won't do 150 mph, NOT !

So it has the power and looks ten times better than a Scooby!

Regds,

Mantamagic.

0ddball

mmmmm jimmi mcrae, sideways manta action.

rich uk300

So it has the power and looks ten times better than a Scooby!

sorry m8 don't agree with it looking better than a p1

TonyBurns

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Rolling roads..... highly accurate... NOT
Ive been up against 2 of the astra turbo coupes and wasnt impressed by either the in gear power or though the gears, they are not quick, simple fact and the 888 is no different mechanically than the standard car (plus getting 230bhp down on the road in under 6 seconds in a fwd car thats as heavy as the coupe turbo is out of the question).
Also you may find it hard to believe but there isnt much of a chance of seeing 250lbs of torque (around 70lbs more than standard) and 235bhp (nearly 50bhp more than standard) out of a car that has been built for running 187bhp from the manufacturer by just running optimax
You will find that the 187 is a rough margin within 10bhp either way normally (every manufacturer gives an average figure for power) but rolling roads are not the best place to say how much power your car has anyway, the road gives a better insite into this and having said that, my insite is that the astra turbo coupe is slooooooooooooooooooow.

Tony

PS, BTW i use to be able to get nearly 100mph down the slip road of the motorway in my mk4 astra 2ltr di 16v van, its not hard to do (and that was slow!)

Silver-Bullet

err... How many times did the MK2 Escort win the World Rally Champoionship - that'll be twice in 79 and 81 (from memory???)

How many times did the Manta win the WRC - 0

Don't get me wrong, I reckon the Manta GRP B was awesome the BRC and mostly Manx (Jimmy McRae 5 times champ), but the global ability of the MK2 in full works BDG form in hands of Hannu Mikola and Ari Vatanen was and is undeniable.

PS - The Evo is a far more superior Rally replica than a Scoob and far more convincing package, I owned a Sti 4 and was good but not a touch on EVO 3 and above.

stevebt

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i like the vauxhalls and ive had the gtes, V6,s cavalier sris cav 4x4 turbos even an sri with a turbo lump and i would have an astra coupe but there is no way on earth a fwd drive car can match the performance and road handling of a 4x4 turbo car, when i had a cavalier sri with a turbo lump in it was frightening when you put your foot down and was quite hard to go thru the gears as it got scary because it didnt feel safe but add 4x4 and it gets boring and you want more power, i can imagine the same of the astra coupe

Scooby Dooby Blue

I came up against a tuned Astra coupe turbo this afternoon at Crail Raceway.
Being the proud owner of a 'bugeye with an exhaust', I would disagree with the above quote as, im sure, would the driver of said Astra coupe turbo as he was about 10 car lengths behind crossing the 1/4 mile line.

Paul

bluenose172

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That doesn't really tell the full story though does it! I'm crap at starting and can finish well down on the guy im racing(I'm talking Crail here BTW!), although get a better time. Anyway I'd expect the WRX to better over the 1/4 mile due to the traction advantage, it was a bit greasy here today. When up and running I'm sure a Astra turbo would be a match for a WRX. There's not a lot between them on paper, never mind the road.

I'm not buying for a minute that the 888 can do 60 in anything less than 6.5 though!

rich uk300

When up and running I'm sure a Astra turbo would be a match for a WRX.

exactly....so by that time the scoob has opened up a huge gap,which the astra will be unable to lessen

stevebt

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similar engine but my cav turbo had 250 lb of torque and it was top end not bottom once i put my foot down 100+ you knew some thing was gonna happen and i would have put this up against most scoobs as book for my engine was 157mph and everyone knows there car is faster than book, not interested in hearing how fast scoobs are cause youve spent a couple of grand etc getting them faster because there is really hardly any difference between the two if you go book times, it all comes down to the DRIVER, ive a modded my00 but put a good driver in an evo, and colin macrae
(just being silly)in mine, my car would leave it

mantamagic

Scooby can never look as good as Astra Coupe.

For a start Coupe is proper coupe with big frameless doors (even my old Manta's looked better than Scooby.

At rolling road, the power expected from std 1.8/2.0 was exactly what they got. My hp figure of 235bhp/250 lb/Ft of Torque is what you expect from a quality engine.
Don't forget that the std 2.0 Ecotech puts out 136 bhp 21bhp more than std Subaru flat 4. Turbo is also built into the manifold and is a small unit so it can spin up quicker.
Guy at rolling road was well impressed with engine. Did three runs to check that it was consistent.

As for 0-60 in my, maybe I did do 0-60 5.2. Majority of times I can do it easily in 6.8, problem is always traction control cutting in.
Rumours are that Vx may be doing a 4x4 Coupe. Scoobys owner beware. With a great engine like it has and 4 wheel drive, you will most certainly be left for dead.
Enjoy your Scoobys, then upgrade to a Vx. Something with real Motorsport heritage.
As for Mk2 vs Manta debate. Manta can deal some serious whoop *** to mk2 on Clubman rallys. MK2 is too light on back end, well sorted Manta will always win due too longer body and better balance. Manta 400 also had better engine, as it featured cosworth block.
Vatanen, Mcrae, Brookes all did well in the Manta and loved it.
Manta400's only problem was it got overtaken by regs. In some cases it beat Audi Quattro's because they kept breaking down, and that was with 4 wheel drive and a turbo!

Manta 400 kick Scooby *** !!!

Regds,

Mantamagic

mantamagic

What goes 150mph and goes bang .....?


Why a Scooby of course.

Why name a car after a cartoon dog anyway ?

An insult to the dog of course !!!!!!!

Leave out the insults to the intelligence everyone or I will start the I earn considerably more than you thread!

If Scooby is so great let's set up a trackday with a Astra Coupe Touring car agains a Scooby round somewhere like Donnington Park.

Everybody knows what would win. Scoobys stick to rallying, it's all your good at!

Regds,

Mantamagic

rich uk300

For a start Coupe is proper coupe with big frameless doors (even my old Manta's looked better than Scooby.


you need to get out more often

Dave Coulshaw

I had a drive of an Astra Coupe Turbo over the weekend. Not as ban as I was expecting, and it is a very nice looking car in a Germanic way, BUT, it can't betray it's cheap and humble underpinnings. Reminded me of the old Rover Coupe Turbo, nippy, but never felt secure at speed or even under acceleration, and I'm sorry, in standard trim (which this one was) it isn't as quick as an Impreza, nor is it as much fun. Steering feel is poor, and turn in is appalling.

To me it wasn't set-up/designed to be a performance car in the Impreza/EVO mold (Cheap base car, raw thrills, limited refinement), it is a comfortable, easy to drive, more refined, stylish coupe with a bit more of a powerful engine in. That's not to say it can't be made more fun (more grunt, less bulk, more performance orientated suspension etc) but the spend more money on any car and you can improve it!

The Impreza isn't good on track, you are right. But I seriously doubt the Astra will be any better, and with less traction and less grunt, common sense would dictate that it wouldn't be as good.

If the most important thing to you is what the car (and badge??) looks like then the Astra Coupe is a very strong contender. But as an a-to-b sports car it is left wanting.

As to Vauxhalls motorsport heritage - it is there, but they were never really 'genre defining'. The Manta was a cracker on the Rally scene, but there was always a better car there. No matter what you say, the MK1 & MK2 escort was THE rally car of the 70's, and as soon as Group B came along the AWD monsters destroyed them. Jimmy McRae used to say the Manta was too long to be a good rally car. Touring cars - again they have had their moments, but only for odd years when there was little competition.

They have made some good cars, but they are not the ultimate, all conquering marque you seem to be trying to portray!

TonyBurns

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Ok here we go

"Don't forget that the std 2.0 Ecotech puts out 136 bhp 21bhp more than std Subaru flat 4."

Not exactly true, try again

"At rolling road, the power expected from std 1.8/2.0 was exactly what they got. My hp figure of 235bhp/250 lb/Ft of Torque is what you expect from a quality engine."

Sorry i think the rollers were set up wrong here because your car wouldnt be capable of this without serious breathing modifications/ecu setup. (oh and im still laughing at the quality engine part as vauxhalls are more unreliable than virtually any other manufacturer )


"As for 0-60 in my, maybe I did do 0-60 5.2. Majority of times I can do it easily in 6.8, problem is always traction control cutting in."

Really

"Rumours are that Vx may be doing a 4x4 Coupe. Scoobys owner beware. With a great engine like it has and 4 wheel drive, you will most certainly be left for dead."

I think you need to get some facts right here, do some research to find out whos going to supply Vauxhall if they go ahead with this project

"What goes 150mph and goes bang"

Dunno, ive done 167mph and my cars ok (and atleast it reaches over 150mph unlike some vauxhalls )


"If Scooby is so great let's set up a trackday with a Astra Coupe Touring car agains a Scooby round somewhere like Donnington Park."

Ok, you go and buy an astra coupe touring car and we'll go for it
Thats one of the most PATHETIC quotes ive ever seen, you may as well take your astra coupe against one of the Prodrive rally cars, i know which one will be quicker and handle better and it wont be the vauxhall


"Why name a car after a cartoon dog anyway"

Ermmmm its not named after a dog, so try again on that one (the badge gives it away) so no doubt that vauxhall are named after an area (and a very cr@p area at that )


"Leave out the insults to the intelligence everyone"

I think you mean intelligent but as you cant spell then your not in that class

Tony

Scooby Dooby Blue

Really?

Said Astra turbo was running 15.7s where the 'bugeye with an exhaust' was running 13.9-14.1s.
Agreed it was greasy but my wheels were spinning practically to the 60ft line!

Paul

PS Think you spelled your username wrong...shouldn't it be 'pinocchionose172'?

dogmaul

oooh astra touring car vs scoob that would be fun how about astra touring car vs primera touring car The astra would loose as the primera was the most sucessful btcc car ever

maybe we might try like for like astra 888 toring car vs scoob wrc version then who will win as they are both limited to 300 bhp

dogmaul

oh im sure escort mk2 wasnt group B and the manta was on its way to win its first rally on its first outing when it was banned due to them not letting prototypes run

jonc

A friend of mine owns a Astra 888 turbo and used mouth off how his car would toast my Clio172. So on a cold dry night when no one was around, we decided to test his theory. Both cars are unmodified. First test was straight line speed, not much in it upto 100mph, with Clio slightly ahead, after that the Astra creeps ahead with its higher topend. On the twistier country roads, the Astra was easily left behind. Just to make sure there was some consistancy, we swapped cars. Outcome pretty much similar as before. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put the Astra down, it looks nicer than the Clio and has a marginally better build quality, but when comes down to driving the Clio pips it. Now with the Astra being a turbo, with a few simple mods, I'm sure his would be faster.