0ddball

thats because they have a boost limiter in 1st gear. theres no reason the cav should suffer on corners either seeing as it uses virtually the same 4x4 system, i.e viscous centre diff

[Edited by 0ddball - 11/22/2002 12:28:17 AM]

0ddball

yup that was autocar at brunters and it reached the end of the runway still accelerating. hardly conclusive

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Oddball,
i take it you mean when the 4x4 system wasnt broken as it was the most reliable of systems
Dave T-S, gawd that brings memories flooding back lol! that had to be the best handling cav in the world lol!

Lets just have a quick chat about top speed too
With a low power to weight ratio, it would be virtually impossible for the astra coupe to achieve its "quoted" top speed of 150mph due to drag etc.
I think that given 20 odd miles and a strong tail wind it may achieve this (it would have to be a really strong tail wind though ) as you cannot really deny the laws of physics.

Tony

arbee

well........

I cant comment on scoobys but i can the astra, i own a astra coupe turbo and as much as i agree with some of your comments, i have to say that overall i'm v impressed.

it pulls VERY well in gear although torque steer is an issue. it is quite long geared and will pump out that headline top speed if pressed. this makes for a nice motorway car (hell cruise control is standard!) but the handling is very nice predictable tidy and, yes i know, 'safe' around corners. the car is simply not as 'hardcore' as a early scoob, but as some of you say i reckon it would be a match for the bug eyes. its more refinement than racer but can certainly hold its own on the twisty bits! certainly ONE of the best handling front wheel drive cars at least!

each to their own of course but i paid 12k for a year old car with less than 10k, find me a better all round package for the money! I like it but hey, anyone has to have a bit of respect for RB5s and P1s!

mantamagic

I have great respect for the Scooby.

It has a big turbo, which result in high bhp.

I currently own an Astra Coupe 888.

It does over 150mph and does 0-60 around 5-5.5 seconds.

If you were to take the turbo off the Scooby, and were to compare it to the 2.0 Ecotech (which has counter rotating balancer shafts like a Porsche) it would seem very flat.

Where were Subaru back in the 80's and Early 90's when the Astra & Manta ran supreme in it's class along with the Nova SR.

I like Scooby's, so don't make me hate them. Otherwise I might convert and start liking EVO's instead (dread the thought!).

As for Motorsport, don't forget that the Astra Coupe has won the Touring Car championship for the past two years (and that's with restricted engine parts that all the teams use!).

Pipercross filters don't kill engine part's on Vauxhall's like the do on Scoobys either.

Respect to Scoobys, now leave Vauxhalls alone.

Regds,

Mantamagic
(Manta, as it WAS the Best Group B Front Engined Rear Wheel Drive rally car ever made.)

mantamagic

Few Interesting Facts :-

Car BHP 0-60 0-100 1/4 Mile

EVO 7 Extrene 339 4.2 11.0 13.0
Nissan Skyline R34 277 4.6 10.8 13.2
EVO 6 GSR 276 4.4 11.2 13.3
Scooby WRX Sti 280 4.6 12.3 13.3
EVO 5 276 4.7 12.3 13.4
EVO 6 Extreme 350 4.0 10.6 13.5
Scooby P1 277 4.7 12.3 13.9
Scooby Imp Turbo 208 5.5 15.8 14.2
Scooby Imp WR Prod 240 5.6 13.9 14.4
Scooby Leg RSK-B4 272 5.9 15.9 14.4
Scooby Imp TurbWRX 215 5.7 16.9 14.5
Audi TT 225 225 6.1 15.8 14.6
Vx Calibra Turb4x4 201 6.2 ??? 14.6
Ford Sierra RS Cos 201 6.1 16.0 14.8
Vx VX220 147 6.1 17.0 14.8
Ford Escort RS Cos 227 6.2 17.4 14.9
Renault Clio Sport 172 6.6 17.9 15.0
Seat Leon Cupra R 210 6.5 18.0 15.2
Honda Civic TypeR 197 6.7 16.2 15.2
Vx Cav Turbo4x4 201 6.5 18.2 15.4
Scooby Leg Turbo 197 6.9 ??? 15.4
Vx Astra Coupe 888 187 7.1 18.0 15.5
Vx Astra Coupe Turb187 7.2 18.3 15.6
Audi TT 180 180 7.8 21.2 15.7
Ford Focus RS 212 6.3 16.4 15.8
Ford Mondeo ST200 202 7.5 20.1 15.9
Seat Leon Cupra 180 8.0 20.9 16.2

Show's that EVO is best, Scooby 2nd BUT my mate's Skyline is Better(422 bhp) !

Regds,

Mantamagic

Dave T-S

ROTFPMSL

Then you woke up.......

Isn't it funny how people's own cars are always faster than every one that any magazine has ever road tested

co55ie

I think you will find that the 888 Astra is down on power when compared to the new GSi Astra 0 - 60 in 7 secs. The new Gsi is reputedly a very good car and looks like a great package for 16k minus the horrible wheels they put on it.
I think you will find that table of quarter mile times is way off in reallity I cant see the normal Evo 6 being beaten by the extreme version.

[Edited by co55ie - 11/22/2002 1:41:05 PM]

mantamagic

The Astra GSI/Turbo/888/Coupe Turbo all have the same engine.

The torque figures for all engines are the same. A lower bhp figure was given for the earlier cars to allow a reasonable insurance rating.

It was originally stated that the 888 & Coupe Turbo had only 187 Bhp yet cars have been run up on a rolling road and found to be putting out 187 at the Wheels.

All the performance figures above are taken from a site called Quarter Mile Rivals.

Regds,

Mantamagic

co55ie

The new Gsi is 197bhp with 250nm of torque and has a revised version of the engine found in the astra turbo/888 and has a supposed smoother power delivery..
I like the 888 and cant understand why they didn't put the OZ rims on the GSi instead of the dreadful venom replica's.

0ddball

way to hold an argument dude, the quater mile list that YOU posted up has it at the true figure of 7.1 seconds

mantamagic

For Dave-TS and Oddball

I had a Astra Coupe 1.8 Big Exhaust & K&N Induction kit. Had 100 bhp at wheels so about 125-130 at flywheel. Did 120 in it and managed 0-60 in 8 seconds. Top speed of car book figure was 130mph.

You think it's unreasonable for a car with 60 bhp more to be able to do 0-60 in 1.5 - 2 seconds quicker ? The 888 has big tyres, is lower to the ground and is very aerodynamic as well.

My 888 is fitted with K&N Induction kit and I run it on Shell Optimax (99ron). Have done one timed run of 5.2 seconds in the Dry, have done couple of runs in wet at 7 seconds.

Top speed of 888 of 152 mph should be correct, car can be tuned to give 240 bhp and top speed of 160mph at 6,600 rpm. Check out Regal and CCC magazine article for proof.

You have to remember that Performance Vauxhalls have been around for longer than Subaru's. Vauxhalls 2.0 XE and 1.6 XEH are known as the motorsport engine of choice. Tuning companies can get 280 bhp out of 2.0 XE and 240bhp out of 1.6.

Oddball, you should know how good engine is in you GTE 16V ? The newer 2.0 engine is even better and can be tuned for a lot less money.

As for Std 888 figures, I think Vx did not test the car and just took figures straight from Astra Coupe Turbo.

Regds,

Mantamagic

ScoobyJawa

Wow - hold the phone guys, looks like Optimax has been raised a bit in Octane since I last looked
If you wanna hold an argument mate, make sure your facts are straight, otherwise it makes everything else you put look rubbish.
Optimax is a MAXIMUM ron rating of 98.6, so can be less but they guarantee 98 or more. And yes - 1 octane does make a difference

For info:
Evo tested the 888 @ 6.9 0-60 and 19.9 to 100.
Coupe Turbo was 6.7 0-60, no 0 - 100 time.

[Edited by ScoobyJawa - 11/22/2002 4:43:02 PM]

co55ie

Mantamagic the 18" OZ wheels fitted to the 888 will actually slow it down rather than speed it up on the quarter mile sprint.
Having said that I would agree that the VX would match a WRX further up in the speed stakes as its doesnt suffer from so much transmission loss and is more aerodynamic.
Problem with the tuning the VX turbo lump is that it runs a very high compression ratio from standard which really needs to be dropped before you start fiddling with anything.

mantamagic

All I can say is I never read Evo mag, but I can get up to 100 on most slip roads before I get onto the Motorway.

Odd that 0-60 in Evo is 6.9 and yet it takes 13 seconds more to get to 100 ? At 60 if you floor it in 3rd car pulls very quickly to 100. 13 seconds 60-100, no way.

As for the alloys, they are only 17" wheels, the tyres are slightly wider than the std turbo's.

Tell you what, As I have a stopwatch built in the trip computer I will do a 0-100 run and will put up the results.

As for the Optimax, 98.6 is only .4 off 99. Or are my maths wrong ?
All I can say is that Optimax is better than Super Plus, although you don't getter better mpg as you give the car more wellie!

Regds,

Mantamagic

0ddball

the fact remains that the late cav/cally turbos have 4 wheel drive and more opwer than the new coupe's and gsi, and yet its 0-60 is 6.4 seconds. so in answer to your question

yes i do think its unreasonable.

my car has 200bhp and considerably less weight than a ACT, infact for me to make my car weigh the same as an ACT would take about 3-4 adult passengers, my car was timed by datron laser gear at 6.11 0-60.

everything else, fine, but for you to claim a car with book figure of 7.1 to manage 5 to 5.5 is laughable.

mantamagic

Oddball,

Would be interested on the spec of your car if it is that quick.

I presume it has throttle bodies and hot cams ?

What have you stripped out of your car to make it so light?

Regds,

Mantamagic

davyboy

How scientific

0ddball

coscast head - burnished ports, polished valves+combustion surface, modified SBD 13mm bronze valve guides, triple cut 3 angle valve seats, Jenvey 48mm parallel throttle bodies, ITG air fitler, Jenvey accelerator cable linkage, SBD burnished - ported - gas flowed inlet manifold, MBE 967E fully mapable 3D engine management, SBD aircraft spec main loom, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, 100psi fuel pressure guage, standard 16v nitrated cams, sodium filled exhaust valves, forged pistons, balanced crank, SBD steel cam belt tensioner, SBD steel cam belt idler, ARP heavy duty con rod bolts, SBD nylon oil pressure relief valve, Serck intertruck alloy radiator, power steering pump and all hydraulic hoses removed, cavalier turbo 82° thermostat, Dunlop HiFLex 8mm 1000psi stainless steel fuel lines, SBD Type A-2.0L-XE 4>2>1 tubular manifold, vermiculite weave exhaust manifold wrap, full Grp N sportex exhaust with twin 3-inch tail pipe.

dazc2

my thoughts exactly

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

cav turbo 0-60 book time 6.4 secs, my00 impreza 0-60 book time 6.2 secs , these are times stated by vauxhall and subaru respectivly every one knows there car is quicker than that so why shouldnt the astra 888 0-60 be better, and there is a difference between feeling faster and being faster, the asta coupe might of felt faster because of a lower driving position or whatever

Mark Jackson

Had a go with one with my T5 (now departed), pretty quick but the Volvo was quicker once past a ton. I cant say I have heard of a powerful FWD car that does 0-60 in 5.2, A fiat coupe does 0-60 in 6.0 and its got 25 bhp more.

The Old Rover Coupe is comparable (and lighter), that is quicker to 100 than a standard Scoob and can be had for about 2 grand these days.

astra888turbo

The 888 will waste a scoob wrx eazi

davyboy

righto

Scooby Imp TurbWRX 215 5.7 16.9 14.5
Vx Astra Coupe 888 187 7.1 18.0 15.5
Vx Astra Coupe Turb187 7.2 18.3 15.6

mantamagic

After reading Oddball's Astra Spec, I would not like to mess with him.

Full blown SBD 2.0 XE must be pushing close to 280 bhp.

Seriously quick car, which would see off Scooby in straight line.

Respect goes out to that man.

Regds,

Mantamagic

astra888turbo

astra would beet slow scoob wrx thaey are for diks

Clare

Er, speeellinggg?

fatherpierre

You are one borind c.unt.

Fukc off.

Clare

FP, don't fall to his level please?

fatherpierre

I'm not quite there yet, Clare