DIY FMIC Project - condensed version ;o)
03 October 2002, 11:38 AM
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Pavlo,
marks fitted before the angle was changed and without the isc.
Its a moot point anyway as andy's has been sorted now.
jecs? personally I love it. Works better than most afterwamrkets, has all the standard features, and great idling etc. Just lack of adjustability that ruins it.
marks fitted before the angle was changed and without the isc.
Its a moot point anyway as andy's has been sorted now.
jecs? personally I love it. Works better than most afterwamrkets, has all the standard features, and great idling etc. Just lack of adjustability that ruins it.
03 October 2002, 03:57 PM
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JECS RULES 
Lack of adjustability means I tune my engine to suit the ECU's fixed maps 
as opposed to the conventional method of tuning maps to suit the engine
Just glad Mr Jecs was a top mapper
Lack of adjustability means I tune my engine to suit the ECU's fixed maps as opposed to the conventional method of tuning maps to suit the engine Just glad Mr Jecs was a top mapper
31 October 2002, 08:54 PM
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Will do Carlos 
Just as soon as I get the hol shots downloaded
The intercooler is up and running. Initial findings are that there is a substantial drop in charge temp less pressure drop across the cooler and more power at the top end of the rev band using less boost pressure however there is an increase in lag between shifts 
Although I would swear by the seat o pants meter that the car is much faster, in reality the extra power is offset by the slight increase in lag. My AP22 shows my 0-100 time is now 0.2 secs slower
Attention to my dump valve set up, or rather lack of dump valve may help in this area. Removing the dump valve improved the response on the small TMIC. It may be that the increased volume of compressed air within the FMIC is having a greater effect on slowing the compressor ?
Further testing required
Just as soon as I get the hol shots downloaded The intercooler is up and running. Initial findings are that there is a substantial drop in charge temp
less pressure drop across the cooler and more power at the top end of the rev band using less boost pressure however there is an increase in lag between shifts Although I would swear by the seat o pants meter that the car is much faster, in reality the extra power is offset by the slight increase in lag. My AP22 shows my 0-100 time is now 0.2 secs slower
Attention to my dump valve set up, or rather lack of dump valve may help in this area. Removing the dump valve improved the response on the small TMIC. It may be that the increased volume of compressed air within the FMIC is having a greater effect on slowing the compressor ?
Further testing required
01 November 2002, 07:56 PM
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More piccies.......
Eng top
Pipes to/from I/C
Pipes to/from I/C
Turbo in/out
Front splitter was cut 2" deeper. Know any good painters !!
Header tank and FPR relocated out of harms way
Eng top
Pipes to/from I/C
Pipes to/from I/C
Turbo in/out
Front splitter was cut 2" deeper. Know any good painters !!
Header tank and FPR relocated out of harms way
01 November 2002, 09:28 PM
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Thanks Carlos I still retain a totally standard ECU but I'm considering a set of bigger injectors and a remap, David's is certainly going well
I think a remap is well overdue on my car so I'm currently discussing it with Paul (Pavlo)
I still retain a totally standard ECU but I'm considering a set of bigger injectors and a remap, David's is certainly going well I think a remap is well overdue on my car so I'm currently discussing it with Paul (Pavlo)
02 November 2002, 03:01 AM
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good painters... yes... I can do it for you if you can make it this way!.
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02 November 2002, 10:54 AM
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Ian...Got any decent chargecoolers for sale swap you a big FMIC !! Can't get rid of that little bit lag Feels like I've fitted a bigger turbo which wasn't the intended result.
How you finding your car going now ?
swap you a big FMIC !! Can't get rid of that little bit lag Feels like I've fitted a bigger turbo which wasn't the intended result.How you finding your car going now ?
02 November 2002, 11:07 AM
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hi andy, how was the hols mate?
my car is going very well actually. out accelerates a friends 550 maranello up till about 80ish which is very pleasing considering the cost difference!
what i really like is the instant responce during after gear changes
have you had it on the rollers with your setup? certainly looks a very good job.
ian
tell you what i am impressed with...
when i had the old chargecooler, the water used to almost boil at some points, whereas this is just luke warm at most.
my car is going very well actually. out accelerates a friends 550 maranello up till about 80ish
which is very pleasing considering the cost difference!what i really like is the instant responce during after gear changes
have you had it on the rollers with your setup? certainly looks a very good job.
ian
tell you what i am impressed with...
when i had the old chargecooler, the water used to almost boil at some points, whereas this is just luke warm at most.
02 November 2002, 11:38 AM
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Glad your happy with the C/C set up Think I may do a U turn and build a bigger C/C for my car to get the sharpness back
I've not had it on the rollers yet, the cooler charge air means I need more fuel so I'm maxing out my fuel system before 1.5bar where I could previously run to 1.8
I think my thermocouple must be broken it just doesn't seem to increase at all now !! 2-3 degrees above amb on average !
Think I may do a U turn and build a bigger C/C for my car to get the sharpness back I've not had it on the rollers yet, the cooler charge air means I need more fuel
so I'm maxing out my fuel system before 1.5bar where I could previously run to 1.8 I think my thermocouple must be broken
it just doesn't seem to increase at all now !! 2-3 degrees above amb on average !
02 November 2002, 08:35 PM
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god i bet your pi55ed off now after building that fmic
was just wondering before, how have you routed the pipes from the ic? do they go under the water rad? cos on mine, under the rad there is a big sort of cross member in the way
was just wondering before, how have you routed the pipes from the ic? do they go under the water rad? cos on mine, under the rad there is a big sort of cross member in the way
03 November 2002, 12:51 AM
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Yea, It's just another mod that at first seems to have been a backward step although I know theory supports the move, so I'll persevere till I get a result
As you state John, the main benefit will be on track.
More fuel, more timing, more boost required
How is your wideband John ?
Ian - Hoses under rad, same route as MRT FMIC. The lowest hose retains the same ground clearance as the sump/exhaust/rear diff
As you state John, the main benefit will be on track.
More fuel, more timing, more boost required
How is your wideband John ?
Ian - Hoses under rad, same route as MRT FMIC. The lowest hose retains the same ground clearance as the sump/exhaust/rear diff
03 November 2002, 10:48 AM
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WB - I am waiting for my turbo before I use it on my car much, but it does work and well, just quite a few boxes and wires. It will not be a permanent fixture.
03 November 2002, 11:10 AM
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AndyF,
Have you thought about modifing a charge cooler from a celica GT4 or would it be to big...???? you get a charge cooler rad and pump with them too...!? they are pretty big though....
Could you not modify one of the two FMIC's into a charge cooler..???
Dan
Have you thought about modifing a charge cooler from a celica GT4 or would it be to big...???? you get a charge cooler rad and pump with them too...!? they are pretty big though....
Could you not modify one of the two FMIC's into a charge cooler..???
Dan
03 November 2002, 01:05 PM
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Pace cores are so cheap that I'd be better designing one from scratch. I've not looked at the GT4 CC in detail but from memory it's not much bigger than a Legacy unit ?
I'm going to persevere with the FMIC for now, I knew it was going to be a compromise in it's current format, it was designed with the higher flow from twin turbo's in mind..........still to do that
I'm going to persevere with the FMIC for now, I knew it was going to be a compromise in it's current format, it was designed with the higher flow from twin turbo's in mind..........still to do that
03 November 2002, 01:10 PM
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Will a remap e.t.c improve your lag low down..???? or is it down to the turbo and intercooler, your pipe work is still pretty good (short for a FMIC), i only say this from a basic point of view as i dont have any where near the knowlege as you lot, but when i fitted an induction kit the car seemed to lose a bit of low down grunt...??
keep us posted...!! its geart seeing these pics...!
Dan
keep us posted...!! its geart seeing these pics...!
Dan
03 November 2002, 01:23 PM
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It's not lag low down, that's still ok, it's between gears I think the turbo is spooling down. My AP22 shows that the power after a gear shift sort of tapers in instead of Bangs in like it did with the CC.