whip

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arron:
<B>What I mean is it is NOT legal to undertake between two vechile, this is deemed DANGEROUS DRIVING[/quote]

It's not as simple as that m8. Up to a certain speed (ie where safe and done with care) it's called filtering. Look it up in the highway code.

It's a huge grey area as far as the law's concerned, but basically if a copper decides that you were filtering too fast or without enough of a safety margin that's the point at which it becomes dangerous driving. Personally I never filter past 40mph, that may seem fast to a car driver, but there would be maybe a 5mph speed difference between me and the traffic I'm passing. The problem is that there's no specific speed at which filtering becomes dangerous driving, it's down to officer discretion and circumstances. Plus if you're involved in an accident whilst filtering you're on shaky ground, legally speaking, so it's a calculated risk.

I still cringe when I see idiots cutting lanes and filtering at silly speeds though. Death wish.

Jza

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by LEE P:
<B>Look guys wasnt trying to start a world war[/quote]

Try reading the title of this thread you muppet - what did you expect?? Im a biker and your painting me with the same brush

If i started a thread called "arent all people called Lee tossers" how would you react?

Maybe you want to choose your words more carefully next time!!

Jza

Andy Porter

Lets just all be friends and live happily ever after......
Andyp

PS I'm gonna cut up anyone in a car with an A in their no. plate on my way home tonight ( Arron )

sasman

JZA If the title had been "What is it with (all) bikers" fair point, but it wasn't, so yet another stupid comment hits the net from JZA. PS. why is it every time BIKES appears on the thread title it always turns into an 8 page argument. QUESTION isn't there a bikers BBS "still don't know what BBS means" Should I post a thread ARE ALL BIKERS ARGUMENTATIVE.

sasman

Holy cr@p spell checked that post and it was perfect, thats a first, I bet some bored school teacher on hear finds summit wrong with it.

Dragon

Doesn't matter whether its a bike, car, van, lorry or moped rider, there are those that think they own the road and can do whatever they like, whenever they like and to whoever they like

Some people are simply to55ers and there's nothing we can do about it.

Jim (who was carved up by a parked milk float this morning )

Arron

Andy p,
Mine's a blue scoob with an A in the reg , please be gentle.

Jza

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sasman:
<B>If the title had been "What is it with (all) bikers" fair point [/quote]

Utter tosh mate. If he'd said "saw some mad bikers" or something id have been fine. Adding "all" makes zero difference - his thread says "what is it with bikers" - bikers (you do need english lessons even if your spellings ok) is plural for "biker" - that implies several/many/all

Therefore it suggests to non-bikers that we are - as a collective - nutters. I for one am not.

Anyway - bog off sasman

PS nice to see some recognition for my work

Jza

Toonman

Used to be able to have great fun with bikers on the Stokesley to Helmsley road in North Yorks, until so many of them started falling off their bl**dy machines and hurting themselves. The Police targeted the road and have turned one of Car (I think) magazine's best 10 driving roads in Europe, into a, very pretty and slowish run in the country...

Mind, I find I get more respect from bikers now than when I bought my first Turbo back in '94, when they were generally an unknown quantity.

gareth

Went for a (pedal) bike ride up the Cat & Fiddle road this evening. In case you don't know this road is a mecca for bikers being apparently very similar in nature to the TT course. As usual on a fine evening there were very many bikers using the road for racing/testing or whatever they want to call it, and being midweek there was no police presence to tame their ambitions.

I guess none of them really understand that sick feeling in your stomach when you can hear a fast bike approaching from perhaps a mile behind, revving the b*llocks off it in every gear. They push for the max speed through every corner, taking the fastest line even if that means going blind across the centre line. One guy tonight was within tenths of a degree of washing out on a lefthander, with me the potential head-on target (I assume he's cutting it fine if the back of the bike is striking sparks off the tarmac).

You just hope that you're on a bit of straight when they pass you and not just around a left hander. In general they never adjust their speed as they pass, again I guess not appreciating the buffeting effect that their 80+ passage has on a cyclist doing 10+, or the potential outcome of an impact at that speed.

Perhaps one guy tonight got a brief taste of the sensation I regularly experience on this road. He passed me from behind at warp speed, failed to appreciate the subtle message conveyed by the 20 feet or so of chevroned barriers at the next bend, failed to make the lefthander and took an unplanned flight into the scenery beyond.

Amazingly - given the death rate on this road - he walked away from this. To be honest for a moment I was laughing my c*ck off at his misfortune, until I remembered that in five minutes time I was going to have to ride back down that hill into the face of more idiots like him.

The irony is that I've got massive pleasure from this stretch of road in my scooby, I hope without taking the risks that these guys do. But now, in their wisdom the local authorities have decided that a blanket 50 limit is the answer to the bikers - which won't make a blind bit of difference to the way they use the road but kind of ruins it for the rest of us.

fast bloke

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by gareth:
<B>(I assume he's cutting it fine if the back of the bike is striking sparks off the tarmac).

[/quote]

Not really. The only bits that will spark when you get them on the ground are the footpegs and the exhuast can. All of these bend, so you have room for a a bit more lean after the sparks appear. Next bit to hit the ground is usually the fairing. If you see as trail of plastic shreds you know the guy is in trouble. Anyway - pedal bike? Why not go and play in the garden instead

E-Bike

The Falcon, Hatton, Warwick every Wed is a bike night. Crowds line the road to watch bikes do fly-by's. Three silver scoobies turned up to play to the crowd, and I'm not sure they could hear how unwelcome they were. This has prompted me to post in Scoobynet, I did think twice about it, then I saw this thread.

Re: some of the points made before - Bikers have etiquette for riding in groups. Like military manouvers, when threatened they will close ranks. It's a survival trait and there are training course about riding in groups. These manouvers are endorsed by the police and most of the road safety bodies.

As for pushing in on a group of riders, unsafe. LEE P - Did you perhaps think that a gap the size of a scooby was safe enough to fit into? Between two cars - maybe, but still unsafe. If you tap another car then it's insurance details out. If you tap a bike - call the coroner. If you can't overtake all of them, don't even try. And no - they can't see you. Just like lorries can't see you. It won't change and it doesn't absolve you to think "Well it's their problem". Is it too much to ask car drivers to accommodate this? Check out

DrEvil

E-Bike,

Some valid points, again its the minority that give the majority the bad name (btw, I am not having a go about anyones actions/comments on this thread before anyone gets defensive). This of course, as you pointed out, works both ways, bad on both sides.

There have been a few instances in the last year of rogue scoob drivers terrorising the general public, everyone remember the V reg Silver scoob that ran two members of the BBS off the road when they were driving normal A-B cars?

Ultimately the majority of scoob owners will let bikers past, and generally curtious to them. I for one will try to move to the left if I see a bike over taking to give them room, keep a safe distance from their rear etc..

I'm not going to air my personal experiences, as they will add no value to this thread.

Re. Road wear-n-tear, lorries are the worst for that, they are the ones that destroy the surface so much. Cars are a contributing factor, but IMHO, no where near as much as vans and lorries (i'm probably wrong, there is probably some statistics to prove otherwise somewhere). So I don't think its fair to point the finger quite like that.

Anyway, my 2cents worth,

Alex

sasman

CLOSED MY THREAD GRRRRRRRRRRR How many General questions are on scoobys 5% JZA You went quiet on that LPG thread didn't you. I also have a bike and I am not quite as argumentative as you "do some work and you might not be so bored" I play counter strike to relieve aggression perhaps you should play for a living. If I went out more I would only end up meeting people like you, no thanks. PS. anyway, who else can I abuse on hear I think PS Lewis has emigrated "BRING IT ON"