polarbearit

Not going to read this thread, but I had some three figured speed 'fun' with a 996 on one of my favourite country roads this morning. I can assure a 400bhp skyline is faster than a 996

importsti

Co55ie, u know how to cause a stir amongst Scooby owners on SCOOBYnet don't u!

Most Scooby owners have/had respect for Cossies. But come on, they are yesterdays cars.

U say u want speed, buy a Caterham. Buy a kit car. Buy a TVR etc

Most would rather have a decent Scoob/Evo than a FORD cossie.


Does yours come with teh standard XMAS tree back lighting effect.

Must admit, I get special satisfaction when I do Cossies.
Make a SCoob look beautiful inside and out.

Sugar forgot why I entered this thread.....

Most of the time only older 911 drivers are up for a race. I usually can do most 911s including C4 and RS.
911 turbos are a different matter if the strectch of road is long they win, if there's traffic I can reel them in. Awesome machines.


[Edited by importsti - 8/22/2002 9:33:35 PM]

KAIBO

i had a 2wd saff cossie stage 3 holding 26psi of boost and it would hump porker all day long! and a few scoobies it was faster than the scoobie i own now

KAIBO

i had a 2wd saff cossie stage 3 holding 26psi of boost and it would hump porker all day long! and a few scoobies it was faster than the scoobie i own now

Phil M

co55ie

I bet my mates RS200 will out drag ur Sierra

fatherpierre

But the point is that you can make ANY car go fast. You can stick a 1200bhp engine in a land rover and lower it and it'll shift like a mother*****r. It's still a **** car.

co55ie

It probably would
How can a car that still is a match and as shown in your ten of the best times set the fastest lap time (escort cossie) be yesterday. It beat the skylines supras evos and scoobies and porsches so wouldnt that make them all yesterday rather than the other way round. You scooby drivers are really digging your grave hear you will note the scoobies come almost last but I thought they handled so amazingly according to you lot nothing can keep up with them round the twisties what a load of rubbish.
I also laughed at the westfield comment didn't the plank who made the comment realise many are powered by the cossie YB.
And dingy really does know his tuning stuff doesnt he. wHAT A TWIT HE SHOULD STICK TO RACING MAMOD STEAM MODELS.

Silver-Bullet

How many times have Ford won the WRC...err well it wasn't with a Sierra or Escort Cossi, no it was I believe twice in a MK2 Escort in the 70’s.

Now compare Ford's top Rally cars since and top flight Impreza's and the dominating Evo in the WRC (EVO won the WRC crown 4 years in a row -respect).

Spend money on any car and fair play the most highly tuned, well-balanced car will win. To compare a Tuned Cossi car to standard out the box Evo or Impreza is simply silly, as top manufactures prove this by spending 100's of million pounds to compete in the WRC.

For e.g. Mitsubishi in 1999 won the WRC crown, the Paris Dakar rally (top 9 were pajero shoguns and the other was a Toyota), and the WRC GRP N (all top 10 were EVO 6), can Ford make such a claim, ever???

BRC in 2001 – a GRP N EVO 6 beat all works cars and won the British Rally Championship, driver Marko Ipatti from Finland.

Compare a standard Saph or Esc Cossi to a standard STI Impreza or EVO and U know the obvious outcome.

Oh and BTW I rally regularly in MK2 Escort GP4, and in the family we have Escort cossi WRC, Saph GRP A international spec, and 2 MK2 Escort (they are superb, but they should be - they are Rally cars not ROAD CARS.

So what! At the top ten shootout a Race spec Esc cossi beat the Skylines, could it have beaten a proper GT spec Skyline around a circuit???

I can see your argument considering the age of your car and tuneabilty of the Cossi lump, but reliability has always been a problem for Ford since the early days of rallying, watch any Rally video since the Sierra cossi days and they were forever having engine problems FACT not fiction.

Even today McRae has lost so many rallies leading due to engine problems, see Jaguar in F1 with cossi tuned engines – constant engine failure FACTS speak louder than fiction stories.

Welcome to the Millennium.








[Edited by Silver-Bullet - 8/23/2002 5:58:09 AM]

CraigH

Co55ie,

Think you'll find Dingy knows his stuff - building his Escort from scratch kind of indicates he knows what he's doing - rather than someone like you who goes and pays someone to do it - still - GGR are v impressive 'cos they've got a nice showroom with lots of shiney bits in it lol.

Strange, what you don't mention, is that none of the quick Cossies featured in tests anywhere - and by that I mean performance tests not rolling road BS, have GGR engines.
Wonder why that is?

And comparing a total race spec Escort cossie in handling to skylines with bog standard suspension and scoobs with bog standard suspension, lol - and you call Dingy a twit lmao.

As for Westfields running Cossie lumps - there are not loads - most run Vauxhall as they get similar power and are lighter - there are a few turbo ones around but not many - John Felsteads was one of a few - and in the ten of the best handling test, John got 3rd fastest time I think - in a bog standard scoob.........

MOSI - TTVII

Cossie Boy,

I heard that that Noble chap ran a car called Thrust 2 once - that too was pretty quick, completely unreliable and could only go in a straight line ...... its now in a museum mate

Just like you cossie should be

Laters

co55ie

god another plank. GGR engines had 40 straight wins in the asian touring car series. but I would expect that dingy and his escort have won even more as he knows alot more.and probably sources components from halfords.
As regards cosworth more F1 victories with cosworth power than any other. Get your facts right you lot no wonder you drive hairdryers conned into by the greasy scooby salesman.
The Vx lump refered to is excellent one of the best 2 litre lumps miles better than the standard 2.0 litre scooby in the horrid little sport.
Just face it scooby has no cred they are rubbish and have naff unreliable engines and go bang at the first sign of any power and have an appaling dealer network.

Big Goon

Co55ie - F.O, YOUR A **** !

Dave Henshall

right, TT, how u doin mate? co551e, after being cosworth powered myself for 3 years then evo'n for the last year, the evo is by every conceiveable angle a better car - the cossie was good in its day and yes could be made to handle aswell - the evo handles , stops and goes all out of the box - wouldnt like pulling up my 4x4 saph from 163mph on "factory brakes" or cornering at near that speed either with "factory suspension" indeed anyone can spend money o improving their motor, just that if we are talking standard the the evo beats D LOT hands down. chip, pipe, filter for both cars can see them to 360 bhp - but i know which one id rather be in now

co55ie

I agree with you totally the EVO is miles better out of the box in a different league. The cossies are easier and cheaper to tune though as I said my own car runs around 440bhp and cost £13000 in total which includes buying the original car which had had the body fully restored but the mechanics were nackered when I bought it. I doubt you could get an evo or scooby with this level of performance with a mechanical warranty for this sort of cash. The cars performance is devastating especially the flexibilty of the engine.
The subaru is not as good as the evo and really does not have the potential of either the cossie or evo with massive cash due to the poor and weak engine used in the subaru I dont know how anyone can argue and think that the scooby lump is better its not. The cossie still has the best engine out of the three but does not handle aswell out of the box but can be made too relativly easily with little expense being involved. My origianl statement was that for bang per buck the cossie is still pretty untoucahble. I have repeatedly pointed out that I am not interested in its looks only performance going back to the original point of this thread it will absolutely destroy a 911 turbo handling wise performance wise etc etc with regards to braking I have a six pot 343mm AP setup on my car with bias valve so could outbrake pretty much anything too including the ten tonne porsche.

[Edited by co55ie - 8/23/2002 10:47:49 AM]

CraigH

Co55ie

LOL at Asian Touring Car series.

What about in Europe, err........

Anyway, that bears no resemblance to road cars or the points I made.

All you do is keep missing the point or relating to other things.

You say the total cost for your car was 13k - what was the cost of the engine and other mechanical mods?

IanWatson

Why is any one bothering to reason with this jerk?

He blatently ignores the fact that half the people disagreeing with him are fellow cossie owners and persists on swiping at Scoobs.

Lots of people refused to belive the world was spherical - guess you'd have been one of those, you stupid tw@t !

jackal

The fastest Cosworth I have ever encountered was at Spa teh other month. It was NOT a road-legal car though.. was running on slicks and hevily modified suspension, completely stripped out, full rollcage etc.. Once it hit its sweet spot (high up in the power band) it could stop me from overtaking.. past 100mph it was noticebly quicker than me. I estimate form this and the cars weight that it must have been running in excess of 500bhp and with a 0-100 of less than 9 seconds.

Still, once the straights ended and especially under braking, it was a mobile chicane.

Nice cars, always liked them and the looks... but i imagine to get one to this sort of level takes a lot of dosh.. not only on the engine but also the suspension etc..

You can see a 9mb real player movie here:

http://www.jackals-forge.com/lotus/movies/SPA2002_lapswithFF_initial.rm


or a 27 wmv file here:

http://www.jackals-forge.com/lotus/movies/SPA2002_FFlaps_earlyon.wmv

jackal

ie. the thrust of my post being that therefore "co55ie" must be a lot slower that this particular cossie and therefore, no faster than a 1.1 Citreon Xantia

Edward Vincent Osgood

Er Co55ie,

Few things to point out:

You need to get out more.
Your car is a Ford, nice!
Your car is a rep mobile, even nicer!
There are clinics in London that can offer ***** extensions for a lot less than the £13K you spent buying your car.

I don't really care whether your car is better than a Subaru, I don't own one, I just think you are a total plank judging on the way you conduct yourself on here, and you do a great dis-service to the decent Cosworth owners out there.

Ed.

co55ie

strange that the car was a mobile chicane cant say alot about the evo's scooby or skyline handling as you will note all these cars were whooped by a cossie have another look at the thread on this site. you lot really are funny clueless
GGR engines also won the bathurst race I suppose this a joke too and many UK touring car races.
You lot seem to know sod all about cars in general.
Loads of cosworth repmobiles ran around didnt they osgood do you have a brain. The scooby is a repmobile and so is a BMW. Just face it scoobies aint all that

[Edited by co55ie - 8/23/2002 12:30:26 PM]

rich1231

Co55ie,

me and your mum are off down the abortion clinic to see if we can have a retrospective abortion to get rid of you.

Your car is better than a 996 turbo? So you wouldnt own one?
Thank god is all I can say. Car owners like you should stay in their max power mobiles.

If your car is so fast go and try for the record at the nurbugring.

LG John

'retrospective abortion'................HA HA HA HA

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaa!!!!!

wouldn't that just be murder though

jackal

"strange that the car was a mobile chicane cant say alot about the evo's scooby or skyline handling as you will note all these cars were whooped by a cossie "

the point of the video was to show just how pointless teh "cossie faster than X" argument is... since there will always be shedloads of cars faster than your cossie... and then another level above tha car that can beat the cossie and so on and so forth.. SO WHAT ?
scoobies aren't the last word in speed, or handling for that matter but then what car is ? Think about your car, the power band is appalling, the turn-in dreadful and the steering feel straight ahead the worst known to man... but that doesn't make it a crap car and it doesn't stop people like you and many others running
them and enjoying them. A cars speed is 99% to do with teh driver in any case in case you hadn't noticed.


"The scooby is a repmobile and so is a BMW"

and what's wrong with that ? Take any decent spec 3 series... ****in amazingly built cars with highly desirable spec. Okay so they are common as muck but thats cos they are so damm good. Might not be the quickest in the world but the chassis on them is a damm sight better than the chassis on yours.

Sorry mate but its you who knows FK all about cars...

CraigH

Co55ie,

You are deluded and talking 5hite.

At your (RS) National Day last year, I was in group C (very modified cars, running slicks, experienced track day participants)

My Scoob was the least powerful there, Cossies were between 400-550hp.......

Strange that after 3 laps I slowed down cos I was so bored after passing everyone and no more cars being around.

What does that prove? Absolutely fvck all - except I dusted all the powerful cossies in front of all the cossie owners at their own national day

You have absolutely no idea what a Scoob or EVO is capable of.....

Neither need the same power to match a Cossie.....

Hence why a 280hp Scoob/EVO is so emphatically quicker than a 280hp Cossie.....

You haven't answered why none of the fastest road going cossies around run GGR engines?

co55ie

Did I say that my car was the fastest cossie around no.
Stop jumping to conclusions.
The later cossies had the rake geometry adjusted to help with the turn in problem. They handle superbly. The most succesful track car ever built bar none.
If GGR engines are good enough to win touring car championships and the bathhurst in Australia without ever being defeated then I am sure they are good enough for me. Who did ford turn to with regard to technical problems GGR.
Most of you seem jealous as you cant mod your own cars to this specification and performance without absolutely massive costs.

jackal

"The most succesful track car ever built bar none. "


The cossie has the weight of a truck and is 4 wheel drive ... how the hell can it be a good track car ???? Its a fkucin rally replica for petes sake ...

CraigH

The Sierra Cosworth was originlly designed to win touring car races - the 4wd came later - and it flopped in rallying.

The most successful race car ever is a Porsche 911 not a Sierra, closely followed by Nissans Skyline GTR.

You still haven't answered my question - how come none of the fastest road going cossies are powered by GGR engines?

Or how about you list who has quick Cossies and what engines they run.

RussP

I love these threads!

What you do is this.

1. Ignore Scoobynet for a week.
2. Check out a thread title that you KNOW will deteriorate into a slagging match (usually Porker vs Scoob vs Evo vs Cossie etc)
3.Jump straight to page 5 or 6 for the really stupid opinion sand funniest insults.
4. Sit back and enjoy, whilst muttering stuff like "Scoobynet, not like it used to be etc etc"



Russ

Andy.F

Co55ie's writing style and Knobiness reminds me of a certain 'scooby370beast' person Kostas, is that you back stirring it up again ?????

CraigH

I don't think it can be - the punctuation and deluded ignorance is similar, but theres been no mention of family members having to go fvck themselves or propropro.