Have u raced a porshe???
22 August 2002, 01:17 PM
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Co55ie, your right, Iam jealous, I so want a Saphire Cosworth!
Behave youself you spunk transplant!. If you had paid any attention to anything you will know Iam not a Scooby owner.
Iam off to see the bank manager to see if he will give me a frontal labotomy so I wont feel like a complete bell when I drive round in my white "cossie saff 4by4" later today!
If anything your amusing Mr Co55ie, amusing in the sense that your a sad little man!. Theres someone like you on every message board in the world, you should all meet up and have a "talk bollocks" convention?
Behave youself you spunk transplant!. If you had paid any attention to anything you will know Iam not a Scooby owner.
Iam off to see the bank manager to see if he will give me a frontal labotomy so I wont feel like a complete bell when I drive round in my white "cossie saff 4by4" later today!
If anything your amusing Mr Co55ie, amusing in the sense that your a sad little man!. Theres someone like you on every message board in the world, you should all meet up and have a "talk bollocks" convention?
22 August 2002, 01:17 PM
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Well pi55 off and join them as you are certainly not wanted here. Don't you get it. NOBODY LIKES YOU!!! or did they remove too much brain when you bought your shed.....MUPPET!
22 August 2002, 01:21 PM
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Oh, and by the way I have qualifications.
Not as many as yours listed here :
BDGA - Being a dick - Grade A
CSL - CockSucking Loser - Again, grade A with distinction!
CDSS - Coswoth driving **** stick
ASMD - Antique Shed Masters Degree
Iam sure there are more!
Not as many as yours listed here :
BDGA - Being a dick - Grade A
CSL - CockSucking Loser - Again, grade A with distinction!
CDSS - Coswoth driving **** stick
ASMD - Antique Shed Masters Degree
Iam sure there are more!
22 August 2002, 01:25 PM
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Co55ie...........what a loser!!!I have a question co55ie, if I told you I was a multi-millionnaire and would buy you any car you want in the world.......what would you have?
22 August 2002, 01:27 PM
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Just to throw a spanner in the works........
I have an Sti7 Type UK, just running in but I know that the performance is going to be excellent. From a-b it really is one of the quickest cars I've had the pleasure to drive. But is it really that quick? Well if it wasn't I would not have got it in the 1st place, but as to quicker than a porsche. Lets put it in context and ignore the fact that to own and run it, it is obviously cheaper by about 30p a mile than the carrera 4 I had in the past. As for raw speed their pretty close (remember only drove the tester to anywhere near max), on the straight sorry but the porsche would have it by a car length. On the corners the scoob is way ahead, cos no matter how fast you push it, it remains predictable, not so the porsche, push it and it bites. Now on the question of what about modified?? Well my STi's standard, and I already know that I could probably safely get 320bhp, with pretty minor mods, now not considering the cost of upgrade I had the privelege of sitting in a modded Porsche which had been upped by Stroberg (German outfit). They had nearly 800bhp at the wheel!! Let me tell you with 2 turbos blowing and a top speed of 200+, lets be real it left the scooby for dead!Now again in the corners the porsche is not a rally car so I think it depends on how good you push your car, Now if you want to go further, they also had a Keonig Ferrari 1000 BHP 240 miles an hour!!!!!! On the straight this car hit 100mph in less than 4 secs!! Sorry but lets get real not even a skyline can do much on those figures....
As a final note, I also had the opportunity to go in a Lancia Stratos many moons ago, wow what a ride, it really was a sweet handling rally car, fast predictable and raw, I loved it and I really think a groupN would struggle. So argue if you like but lets face it, you will not get a car as fast, as good handling or as CHEAP as the scooby!!! I know I hear you EVO fans, yes I think their better in some ways, but I would buy a rally spec Scooby for the same price if I wanted to jar my teeth loose.
Forget the mines faster than yours..... There's always a better runner, boxer, swimmer......Car, and I would hope this continues as it means athletes AND cars are getting better, and so they should, the prices rise enough!
I have an Sti7 Type UK, just running in but I know that the performance is going to be excellent. From a-b it really is one of the quickest cars I've had the pleasure to drive. But is it really that quick? Well if it wasn't I would not have got it in the 1st place, but as to quicker than a porsche. Lets put it in context and ignore the fact that to own and run it, it is obviously cheaper by about 30p a mile than the carrera 4 I had in the past. As for raw speed their pretty close (remember only drove the tester to anywhere near max), on the straight sorry but the porsche would have it by a car length. On the corners the scoob is way ahead, cos no matter how fast you push it, it remains predictable, not so the porsche, push it and it bites. Now on the question of what about modified?? Well my STi's standard, and I already know that I could probably safely get 320bhp, with pretty minor mods, now not considering the cost of upgrade I had the privelege of sitting in a modded Porsche which had been upped by Stroberg (German outfit). They had nearly 800bhp at the wheel!! Let me tell you with 2 turbos blowing and a top speed of 200+, lets be real it left the scooby for dead!Now again in the corners the porsche is not a rally car so I think it depends on how good you push your car, Now if you want to go further, they also had a Keonig Ferrari 1000 BHP 240 miles an hour!!!!!! On the straight this car hit 100mph in less than 4 secs!! Sorry but lets get real not even a skyline can do much on those figures....
As a final note, I also had the opportunity to go in a Lancia Stratos many moons ago, wow what a ride, it really was a sweet handling rally car, fast predictable and raw, I loved it and I really think a groupN would struggle. So argue if you like but lets face it, you will not get a car as fast, as good handling or as CHEAP as the scooby!!! I know I hear you EVO fans, yes I think their better in some ways, but I would buy a rally spec Scooby for the same price if I wanted to jar my teeth loose.
Forget the mines faster than yours..... There's always a better runner, boxer, swimmer......Car, and I would hope this continues as it means athletes AND cars are getting better, and so they should, the prices rise enough!
22 August 2002, 01:45 PM
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"and if the porsche drivers can only get a decent bird by driving a porsche they must be sadder than their cars"
well your missus wasnt complaining in the back of my porsche....
well your missus wasnt complaining in the back of my porsche....
22 August 2002, 01:47 PM
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My Mrs sums this up quite well. She knows very little about cars and drives a 1.3 Ford Fiesta Encore.
When I see a 'Sapphire Cosworth' (you know the type, lowered, dustbin exhaust, tinted windows, banging bass) I point it out to her and say "look love there's a powerful Ford, not my cup of tea, but still powerfull".
She does not reply with "that looks like a boy racer car" or "errr look at the exhaust" or "how do they drive with those black windows" she simply replies with ...
"it's a Sierra ..... isn't that an old mans car?".
J.
Edit to remove swear words ;-)
[Edited by fdpxfunix - 8/22/2002 1:48:18 PM]
[Edited by fdpxfunix - 8/22/2002 1:49:47 PM]
My Mrs sums this up quite well. She knows very little about cars and drives a 1.3 Ford Fiesta Encore.
When I see a 'Sapphire Cosworth' (you know the type, lowered, dustbin exhaust, tinted windows, banging bass) I point it out to her and say "look love there's a powerful Ford, not my cup of tea, but still powerfull".
She does not reply with "that looks like a boy racer car" or "errr look at the exhaust" or "how do they drive with those black windows" she simply replies with ...
"it's a Sierra ..... isn't that an old mans car?".
J.
Edit to remove swear words ;-)
[Edited by fdpxfunix - 8/22/2002 1:48:18 PM]
[Edited by fdpxfunix - 8/22/2002 1:49:47 PM]
22 August 2002, 02:31 PM
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Just to add a touch of reality. Yes I would agree there have not been too many really fast scoobs around. Cossie's generally have more power....but the cosie has had 10 years more development time than the scoob so that's bound to be the case.
We are now starting to see some scoobs produce 'proper power' around the world, given a year or two then I believe that tweeked 350 bhp scoobs will be the norm and 400/500 bhp scoobs will not be uncommon at most trackdays.
Given the development time, the lighter car is going to win hands down
We are now starting to see some scoobs produce 'proper power' around the world, given a year or two then I believe that tweeked 350 bhp scoobs will be the norm and 400/500 bhp scoobs will not be uncommon at most trackdays.
Given the development time, the lighter car is going to win hands down
22 August 2002, 03:05 PM
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Co55ie, can you explain to me how you get 350 from a saff 4x4 with 600 quid...
When a t34 will cost £600, Greens £200, 3bar £50, head set £200, head check £30, actuator £70.
Plus a breather system, which could be from £150 - £600 depending on what you go for....
THEN you need it mapped, none of the OFF the shelf's chips give you 350....
Pectal Daughter board £200
Then the cooling needs to be sorted on the saff, not the escort, just the saff......
I reckon for a Geninue 350 you need 2k. Simple, less on the escort as no turbo or intercooler is required
GGR 340 won't even give you 300 mate, this has been tried tested and proven, how they can say a car is any bhp with no rollers or engine dyno is a mystery to me.
All the best dingy - had a stage 1, 2, 3, and now 6 cossie engine
C055ie
What injectors and turbo are you using to get 440 bhp ?
[Edited by dingy - 8/22/2002 3:07:27 PM]
When a t34 will cost £600, Greens £200, 3bar £50, head set £200, head check £30, actuator £70.
Plus a breather system, which could be from £150 - £600 depending on what you go for....
THEN you need it mapped, none of the OFF the shelf's chips give you 350....
Pectal Daughter board £200
Then the cooling needs to be sorted on the saff, not the escort, just the saff......
I reckon for a Geninue 350 you need 2k. Simple, less on the escort as no turbo or intercooler is required
GGR 340 won't even give you 300 mate, this has been tried tested and proven, how they can say a car is any bhp with no rollers or engine dyno is a mystery to me.
All the best dingy - had a stage 1, 2, 3, and now 6 cossie engine
C055ie
What injectors and turbo are you using to get 440 bhp ?
[Edited by dingy - 8/22/2002 3:07:27 PM]
22 August 2002, 03:08 PM
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Co55ie,
Wouldn't agree with your comment about your 440hp beating a 700hp Skyline down the strip....
Bearing in mind the fastest car at the Ten of the best day was a 680hp Skyline - and none of the Cossies got even close to it.....
I'm sure you'd beat a 700 BS HP Skyline though......
440hp and 0-100 in 9.2 seconds isn't really that special to be honest......
My Scoob had 80hp less and I believe weighed more, lost more through the transmission, was fractionally slower to 60 and faster to a ton.
With regards to 280hp not being much, you're right, it's not. But in my new car, I think i could lay a bet on what would hit a ton, 1/4 mile, 60 etc etc faster.
What I'm basically trying to say, is stop being such an arrogant pr1ck and get your head out of your 4ss - it's no wonder people laugh at you RS lot with you around.
LOL - and you've even got the gall to spout off running a GGR engine
editred for Speeelink chek
[Edited by CraigH - 8/22/2002 3:10:49 PM]
Wouldn't agree with your comment about your 440hp beating a 700hp Skyline down the strip....
Bearing in mind the fastest car at the Ten of the best day was a 680hp Skyline - and none of the Cossies got even close to it.....
I'm sure you'd beat a 700 BS HP Skyline though......
440hp and 0-100 in 9.2 seconds isn't really that special to be honest......
My Scoob had 80hp less and I believe weighed more, lost more through the transmission, was fractionally slower to 60 and faster to a ton.
With regards to 280hp not being much, you're right, it's not. But in my new car, I think i could lay a bet on what would hit a ton, 1/4 mile, 60 etc etc faster.
What I'm basically trying to say, is stop being such an arrogant pr1ck and get your head out of your 4ss - it's no wonder people laugh at you RS lot with you around.
LOL - and you've even got the gall to spout off running a GGR engine
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[Edited by CraigH - 8/22/2002 3:10:49 PM]
22 August 2002, 03:51 PM
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Dingy at the present I am running 403's
In my opinion 355's giving 118 percent fuel flow is a better option for 330bhp so as to avoid borewash although 803's are more popular but better imho to a 380bhp set up.
You will also be aware that the 4 by 4 uses the 200 block which is a production version of the RS500 block and has improved cooling channels a swirl pot is a good idea but not really essential for 330bhp as you say though the oil breather is a good idea a two port one adequate for this level of power.
You will also note that the escort is not as tunable out of the bag as the 4 by 4 due to its immersed fuel pump which needs to really be replaced although both cars are mechanically pretty much the same with exception to the small turbo escort.
A 330 conversion costs around 6 to 700 quid but I would really agree that to get the most out of it you would really need a decent 3"bore exhaust system and industion kit.I would also have a GpA head gasket fitted.
My own vehicle spec is as follows if you are interested Dingy
200 block
low comp pistons with offset gudgeon pins and 1.5mm compression rings
all internals balanced
Group A cylinder head with WRC 3 piece gasket
Mountune cams with vernier pulleys
403 's
rs 500 intercooler
hybrid T4 turbo
uprated actuator
Group A dump valve relocated
High pressure cooling sytem swirl pot, rad tank
3 port oil breather with sperator and catch tank
3" bespoke exhaust system
K@N filter with GGR trumpet
etc etc
In my opinion 355's giving 118 percent fuel flow is a better option for 330bhp so as to avoid borewash although 803's are more popular but better imho to a 380bhp set up.
You will also be aware that the 4 by 4 uses the 200 block which is a production version of the RS500 block and has improved cooling channels a swirl pot is a good idea but not really essential for 330bhp as you say though the oil breather is a good idea a two port one adequate for this level of power.
You will also note that the escort is not as tunable out of the bag as the 4 by 4 due to its immersed fuel pump which needs to really be replaced although both cars are mechanically pretty much the same with exception to the small turbo escort.
A 330 conversion costs around 6 to 700 quid but I would really agree that to get the most out of it you would really need a decent 3"bore exhaust system and industion kit.I would also have a GpA head gasket fitted.
My own vehicle spec is as follows if you are interested Dingy
200 block
low comp pistons with offset gudgeon pins and 1.5mm compression rings
all internals balanced
Group A cylinder head with WRC 3 piece gasket
Mountune cams with vernier pulleys
403 's
rs 500 intercooler
hybrid T4 turbo
uprated actuator
Group A dump valve relocated
High pressure cooling sytem swirl pot, rad tank
3 port oil breather with sperator and catch tank
3" bespoke exhaust system
K@N filter with GGR trumpet
etc etc
22 August 2002, 03:56 PM
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But cozzie, you forgot to mention that 306's are better than 489's especially when compared to 734's. However if you take a 733 and re-wibble it into a 936 then...drone, drone, drone....zzzzzzzzzz
22 August 2002, 04:01 PM
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Cossie,
please go away. Notice the title of the thread. Did your car unmodified ever beat a 911 and if modification is allowed did it ever beat a Gemballa based 911 turbo conversion.
uumm i think not, you Jim Henson creation.
please go away. Notice the title of the thread. Did your car unmodified ever beat a 911 and if modification is allowed did it ever beat a Gemballa based 911 turbo conversion.
uumm i think not, you Jim Henson creation.
22 August 2002, 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by co55ie
Maybe you should have a look at the results from the ten of the best dayhere
All of the Skylines were less than 700bhp, and they all drove home (unlike the Fords).
And as proved time and time again a 400 brake cossie will match a 700 brake skyline down the strip.
All of the Skylines were less than 700bhp, and they all drove home (unlike the Fords).
22 August 2002, 04:17 PM
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to answer your question saxo boy I would buy a real shelby cobra if money wasn't an issue the ultimate muscle car in my opinion.
Simon you will note that the escort cosworth set the fastest lap of the day even beating the skylines you refer to strange that.
Seems like your evo's and scoobies don't handle to well after all.
I cant see the shame of being beaten by a 2.6 litre twin turbo anyway considering how much the skyline costs to tune in comparison. You will note that a modified porsche and one skyline beat the cossie down the strip with the scoobies about a mile behind with the evo's
[Edited by co55ie - 8/22/2002 4:32:48 PM]
Simon you will note that the escort cosworth set the fastest lap of the day even beating the skylines you refer to strange that.
Seems like your evo's and scoobies don't handle to well after all.
I cant see the shame of being beaten by a 2.6 litre twin turbo anyway considering how much the skyline costs to tune in comparison. You will note that a modified porsche and one skyline beat the cossie down the strip with the scoobies about a mile behind with the evo's
[Edited by co55ie - 8/22/2002 4:32:48 PM]
22 August 2002, 04:28 PM
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these are very interesting simon you note how the escort was the best handling car and the cossies only really being beaten by supras and skylines with a larger engine capacity. Seems like the handling and power of the escort cossie was just to much for everything else including the skylines round the circuit which is the true test of performance. Your results only go to prove my point. You still cant beat em with your evo's and scoobies
22 August 2002, 04:33 PM
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LOL @ 440 then
Fully open on 100% duty cycle on the engine dyno the greys only make 429 on 97 RON SUL....
Thats if yer count the fuel / air not dropping below 12%
Mine is 409/420
You need bigger CC injectors to make 440, with the amount of air the t4 can flow
GGR's breather system is rubbish over 330, it blows oil back thru the intercooler as the pipe size aint big enuff, this i know for a fact as we have had one and found it it be very poor by design...uses the same internal hose as a standard car, just makes it longer which in turn does jack ****
GGR engines are always about 30-80bhp down on the power they claim, so it really don't matter.
My spec is
200block, wrc gasket, WRC head bolts, Mounttune head, wild cams, 403's, GRPA T34, 3 fuel pumps, WI, 500 cooler etc etc
[Edited by dingy - 8/22/2002 4:40:45 PM]
Fully open on 100% duty cycle on the engine dyno the greys only make 429 on 97 RON SUL....
Thats if yer count the fuel / air not dropping below 12%
Mine is 409/420
You need bigger CC injectors to make 440, with the amount of air the t4 can flow
GGR's breather system is rubbish over 330, it blows oil back thru the intercooler as the pipe size aint big enuff, this i know for a fact as we have had one and found it it be very poor by design...uses the same internal hose as a standard car, just makes it longer which in turn does jack ****
GGR engines are always about 30-80bhp down on the power they claim, so it really don't matter.
My spec is
200block, wrc gasket, WRC head bolts, Mounttune head, wild cams, 403's, GRPA T34, 3 fuel pumps, WI, 500 cooler etc etc
[Edited by dingy - 8/22/2002 4:40:45 PM]
22 August 2002, 04:39 PM
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I was there on the day.
A skyline came second on the handling circuit by 0.2 seconds (I think). The EscCos was impressive, but it was a race car.
It ran cut slicks, arrived on a trailer, left on a trailer and was fully caged and stripped out. Not really a road car.
A skyline came second on the handling circuit by 0.2 seconds (I think). The EscCos was impressive, but it was a race car.
It ran cut slicks, arrived on a trailer, left on a trailer and was fully caged and stripped out. Not really a road car.
22 August 2002, 04:54 PM
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Sorry dingy 480 bhp has been seen on the rollers using 403's
The car holds 2 bar strange that my engine is more highly spec'd than yours you make no mention of a GpA head un yet my set up will only make 350 while yours makes 410 or there abouts
Exactly what cams are you running ?
I have never heard of any other complaints regarding the GGR breather set up please enlighten me further.
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[Edited by co55ie - 8/22/2002 5:00:19 PM]
[Edited by co55ie - 8/22/2002 5:14:24 PM]
The car holds 2 bar strange that my engine is more highly spec'd than yours you make no mention of a GpA head un yet my set up will only make 350 while yours makes 410 or there abouts
Exactly what cams are you running ?
I have never heard of any other complaints regarding the GGR breather set up please enlighten me further.
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[Edited by co55ie - 8/22/2002 5:00:19 PM]
[Edited by co55ie - 8/22/2002 5:14:24 PM]
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So what you are syaing dingy is that for instance a GGR level two 330 conversion will infact maybe only give around 250 bhp a whopping increase of 23 bhp I dont think so. A filter and exhaust will pretty much do this alone.
In every independant test I have evr read the GGR converted cars came out on top aginst cars from PE collins etc.
In every independant test I have evr read the GGR converted cars came out on top aginst cars from PE collins etc.
