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01 December 1999, 12:22 AM
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Obviously then it would make much more sense to have a 4wd car in the UK! Personaly I feel if your driving a rwd car in the wet and you can control the wheel spins why short shift. You should be able to nail the throttle in the wet and keep the car going the way you want it to go whether the car snakes or just heads that way sideways. If there are people out there that can drive F1 cars in the rain then why does everyone else have a problem on the road. Just know what the cars limits are and more importantly your own! As we always say though, there is a time and a place for everything. If the grounds wet and the roads a fairly busy, don't even think about nailing the throttle as there won't be enough room for correction. Take the car out in the rain and learn how it behaves in different situations slowly getting quicker each time until you feel that the car won't go the way you want it to for much longer.
Anyway I'm off to play in the CLK. It's still for sale if you want it!
Liam
p.s. expecting s**t back for the above comments
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Obviously then it would make much more sense to have a 4wd car in the UK! Personaly I feel if your driving a rwd car in the wet and you can control the wheel spins why short shift. You should be able to nail the throttle in the wet and keep the car going the way you want it to go whether the car snakes or just heads that way sideways. If there are people out there that can drive F1 cars in the rain then why does everyone else have a problem on the road. Just know what the cars limits are and more importantly your own! As we always say though, there is a time and a place for everything. If the grounds wet and the roads a fairly busy, don't even think about nailing the throttle as there won't be enough room for correction. Take the car out in the rain and learn how it behaves in different situations slowly getting quicker each time until you feel that the car won't go the way you want it to for much longer.
Anyway I'm off to play in the CLK. It's still for sale if you want it!
Liam
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01 December 1999, 08:19 AM
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Dear Craig,
Ho, Ho, laugh? I nearly did! Can't wait to meet you on the road / track day.....! Anytime you think your car's (and driver ) hard enough...
You might be cleverer than me, but that be only 'cos I'oim frarm Norfolk, where men are men and turkies are scared.
Even the slow old Esprit is faster than a UK spec Impreza, so I don't have any worries about you old 4wd farts! I understand that your animosity is derived from a deep rooted inferiority complex, because you know that everything I say is right and everything you say is spawned from that vicious jealous streak that seems to eminate from every "slower car" owner! Perhaps you'll be able to keep up one day when Scooby engine tuning catches up with the levels of the Cossies (but only with the help of a Ford boffin!). 
So even if you don't buy a Ford, you'll be using tuning principals developed on one - how will you be able to live that one down? (Rest assured I will be rubbing it in at EVERY available opportunity) Those in "the know" will understand what I'm drivelling on about!
LOL
Mike
PS Is the owner of the "R" reg Scooby who got "Cosworth'd" on the way towards the Mildenhall round-a-bout at 8.00pm on the A11 on Sat 20th Nov a reader of this site? Hope he is, 'cos despite his BEST efforts, he was wasted (and flame grilled!)....
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Ho, Ho, laugh? I nearly did!
Can't wait to meet you on the road / track day.....! Anytime you think your car's (and driver ) hard enough...You might be cleverer than me, but that be only 'cos I'oim frarm Norfolk, where men are men and turkies are scared.
Even the slow old Esprit is faster than a UK spec Impreza, so I don't have any worries about you old 4wd farts! I understand that your animosity is derived from a deep rooted inferiority complex, because you know that everything I say is right and everything you say is spawned from that vicious jealous streak that seems to eminate from every "slower car" owner!
Perhaps you'll be able to keep up one day when Scooby engine tuning catches up with the levels of the Cossies (but only with the help of a Ford boffin!). So even if you don't buy a Ford, you'll be using tuning principals developed on one - how will you be able to live that one down? (Rest assured I will be rubbing it in at EVERY available opportunity) Those in "the know" will understand what I'm drivelling on about!LOL
Mike
PS Is the owner of the "R" reg Scooby who got "Cosworth'd" on the way towards the Mildenhall round-a-bout at 8.00pm on the A11 on Sat 20th Nov a reader of this site? Hope he is, 'cos despite his BEST efforts, he was wasted (and flame grilled!)....
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01 December 1999, 08:27 AM
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Mike,
As it's now December, I feel charitable, so won't say anything nasty.
Bet you're getting excited with all those turkeys about though, eh?
Damn right I'm cleverer than you -that's why I bought a Scoob and not a bottomless money pit (should that be s**t?)
Unfortunately I won't be at the karting - work commitments blah blah. It'd be great to see you wasted by 4wd girlies though.
Don't you find at this time of year (cold, wet, greasy muddy roads) your car is very quick down country roads?
Oops, didn't finish, I meant to slip, slide and go off the road.
Ha Ha
As it's now December, I feel charitable, so won't say anything nasty.
Bet you're getting excited with all those turkeys about though, eh?
Damn right I'm cleverer than you -that's why I bought a Scoob and not a bottomless money pit (should that be s**t?)
Unfortunately I won't be at the karting - work commitments blah blah. It'd be great to see you wasted by 4wd girlies though.
Don't you find at this time of year (cold, wet, greasy muddy roads) your car is very quick down country roads?
Oops, didn't finish, I meant to slip, slide and go off the road.
Ha Ha
01 December 1999, 09:02 AM
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Dear Craig,
I tend to use one of the slow vehicles in the winter (a Subaru - ChrisP knows what sort, too embarrassing to own up to in public on this site!). The Cossie and Esprit only come out to play when the weather is good. 2wd might be for men, but I aren't that stupid to think I can keep it on the road this time of year (and if you have to drive slower 'cos of the conditions of our poxy roads, might as well use one of the company vehicles!).
Mike
I tend to use one of the slow vehicles in the winter (a Subaru - ChrisP knows what sort, too embarrassing to own up to in public on this site!). The Cossie and Esprit only come out to play when the weather is good. 2wd might be for men, but I aren't that stupid to think I can keep it on the road this time of year (and if you have to drive slower 'cos of the conditions of our poxy roads, might as well use one of the company vehicles!).
Mike
01 December 1999, 10:28 AM
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What's so bad then about driving a rear wheel drive in the rain then? This is the only time of year that I bother with rear wheel drive. You can't beat having to concentrate for a change! If you don't drive in these conditions with RWD, then why buy the car as this is what the weather is like all the time?
Liam
What's so bad then about driving a rear wheel drive in the rain then? This is the only time of year that I bother with rear wheel drive. You can't beat having to concentrate for a change! If you don't drive in these conditions with RWD, then why buy the car as this is what the weather is like all the time?
Liam
01 December 1999, 10:56 AM
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Dear Craig and Liam,
I freely admit to enjoying driving fast, but with that much bhp in the wet it can get scary. Even in low boost the Cossie spins its wheels in fifth at 100+mph (120+mph in high!). Obviously when the torque comes in in first, second and third, you have to short shift at 3000 revs to stop the wheels from spinning. So you might as well be in something else that doesn't require the concentration ALL the time that the Cossie does (and if you don't it will spit you out backwards through a hedge, as a mate found out last night....).
Mike
I freely admit to enjoying driving fast, but with that much bhp in the wet it can get scary. Even in low boost the Cossie spins its wheels in fifth at 100+mph (120+mph in high!). Obviously when the torque comes in in first, second and third, you have to short shift at 3000 revs to stop the wheels from spinning. So you might as well be in something else that doesn't require the concentration ALL the time that the Cossie does (and if you don't it will spit you out backwards through a hedge, as a mate found out last night....).
Mike
01 December 1999, 10:57 AM
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Mike, for the record, and getting away from the jokes for a bit, just how much have you spent on modifying you Saphire?
Or are you too scared to say?
Answer awaited with interest.
D.
Mike, for the record, and getting away from the jokes for a bit, just how much have you spent on modifying you Saphire?
Or are you too scared to say?
Answer awaited with interest.
D.
01 December 1999, 01:05 PM
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Dear Liam,
When in the mood I do take the car out in the wet and "play", but as I said it is VERY exhausting to "have" to concentrate that hard ALL the time or boring if you drive below 3000 revs (where you might as well be in something more sensible). Also you have to bear in mind that the car is SEVERELY undertyred with 400+bhp trying to go through 215/40 x 17s (can't fit bigger tyres on 17s - would need 16s due to there not being enough room. Can't fit 16s 'cos of the big brakes....). The Esprit with "only" 280bhp has 245/45 x 17s tyres on the back.....
Diablo,
Too scared to think about it very often but it works out at over £8k per year since I've had it, so nothing compared to Stef's fuel bill! Started to break it all down over the different parts of the car and it makes frightening reading! (Could have easily bought a UK spec 22B - but that's a girl's car!).
Mike
When in the mood I do take the car out in the wet and "play", but as I said it is VERY exhausting to "have" to concentrate that hard ALL the time or boring if you drive below 3000 revs (where you might as well be in something more sensible). Also you have to bear in mind that the car is SEVERELY undertyred with 400+bhp trying to go through 215/40 x 17s (can't fit bigger tyres on 17s - would need 16s due to there not being enough room. Can't fit 16s 'cos of the big brakes....). The Esprit with "only" 280bhp has 245/45 x 17s tyres on the back.....
Diablo,
Too scared to think about it very often but it works out at over £8k per year since I've had it, so nothing compared to Stef's fuel bill! Started to break it all down over the different parts of the car and it makes frightening reading! (Could have easily bought a UK spec 22B - but that's a girl's car!).
Mike
01 December 1999, 01:29 PM
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Are you saying that you still have the standard wheels on the cos? The first thing I did when I got mine was put the 17's on. There still isn't a lot of room with the 215/40 ZR 17's in the arch especially when the car was dropped between 45 and 50 mm. I had the car 18 months and had 16 blowouts! The only thing that I didn't like about the Sapphire was the dash. It looks like they just stuck loads of boxes together and said there you go! You could be really sad and put the wide arch kit on it I saw one with it on once and it looked disgusting. I suppose everyday driving with rwd in the wet does wear you out.
£8,000 a year since you've had it! How long did you say you'd had it?
Liam
Are you saying that you still have the standard wheels on the cos? The first thing I did when I got mine was put the 17's on. There still isn't a lot of room with the 215/40 ZR 17's in the arch especially when the car was dropped between 45 and 50 mm. I had the car 18 months and had 16 blowouts! The only thing that I didn't like about the Sapphire was the dash. It looks like they just stuck loads of boxes together and said there you go! You could be really sad and put the wide arch kit on it
I saw one with it on once and it looked disgusting. I suppose everyday driving with rwd in the wet does wear you out.£8,000 a year since you've had it! How long did you say you'd had it?
Liam
01 December 1999, 02:34 PM
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Dear Liam,
No I'm not saying that - re-read it I'm saying I've got the biggest wheel / tyre combination that I can fit without body mods (215/40 x 17). And I've owned the car for nearly six years...(ouch).
Mike
No I'm not saying that - re-read it
I'm saying I've got the biggest wheel / tyre combination that I can fit without body mods (215/40 x 17). And I've owned the car for nearly six years...(ouch).Mike
01 December 1999, 02:40 PM
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Liam,
You've seen the Bond film with the Esprit haven't you? Beliveve me, it really does turn into a boat when it rains Its the only car Ive crashed, and I did that at 10mph in the pouring rain (how embarrasing?)
The reason you can drive an F1 car in the wet is that there is about as much relation between the surface of a race track and a B road as there is between John Prescot and sensible traffic policy.....!
You've seen the Bond film with the Esprit haven't you? Beliveve me, it really does turn into a boat when it rains
Its the only car Ive crashed, and I did that at 10mph in the pouring rain (how embarrasing?)The reason you can drive an F1 car in the wet is that there is about as much relation between the surface of a race track and a B road as there is between John Prescot and sensible traffic policy.....!
01 December 1999, 02:49 PM
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Oops
You're right re-reading it I see that!
Nightmare
The F1 comment was why I was expecting a slating but it never came My neighbour has an Esprit GT3 and I've seen him have difficulties just getting out at the end of our road! Isn't it always when your going slow that things like that always happen?
Oops
You're right re-reading it I see that!
Nightmare
The F1 comment was why I was expecting a slating but it never came
My neighbour has an Esprit GT3 and I've seen him have difficulties just getting out at the end of our road! Isn't it always when your going slow that things like that always happen?
01 December 1999, 03:13 PM
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So Mike,
Let me get this right.
You've spent between £40-50k on your car (plus the purchase price)
and you have to brag about how it will **** on an Impreza.
Didn't realise what a big man you were!
But you're still a lucky *******.
Let me get this right.
You've spent between £40-50k on your car (plus the purchase price)
and you have to brag about how it will **** on an Impreza.
Didn't realise what a big man you were!
But you're still a lucky *******.
01 December 1999, 03:43 PM
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If any of you are in the Manchester area i will glady educate you to the virtues of a powerfull cossie 2WD.
Wet or Dry i have used one for 1.5 years no problem.
Until a skooby has reached 540 BHP without blowing up and trashing its gearbox then the cossie will rule.
And yes, the car above is used daily on the road.
Wet or Dry i have used one for 1.5 years no problem.
Until a skooby has reached 540 BHP without blowing up and trashing its gearbox then the cossie will rule.
And yes, the car above is used daily on the road.
01 December 1999, 04:55 PM
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Oh Oh,
They've let 2 of them out now!
So John, maybe you could teach Mike how to drive? But even with your power, don't you still lap Donington slower than Stef?
Didn't you say you do 1.28's in your Cossie - think Stef did 1.26's.
Oh dear, 'nuff said.
They've let 2 of them out now!
So John, maybe you could teach Mike how to drive? But even with your power, don't you still lap Donington slower than Stef?
Didn't you say you do 1.28's in your Cossie - think Stef did 1.26's.
Oh dear, 'nuff said.
01 December 1999, 05:22 PM
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Yep, i do 1' 28" round donnington on standard 15" wheels, road tyres, standard brakes and only 350BHP.
The 540BHP is one of my mates 4x4 sapphires.
At silverstone this year i destroyed a 22B on the GP track. Easy pickings for a cossie.
The 540BHP is one of my mates 4x4 sapphires.
At silverstone this year i destroyed a 22B on the GP track. Easy pickings for a cossie.
01 December 1999, 05:32 PM
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Dear Craig,
That includes the purchase price - just adding up everything that I've thrown at it and dividing by six (but also includes £1,700 to £2,000 per year on fuel, so when you take that out it doesn't look so bad!).
And for your information John's car has standard size discs and standard callipers and as we ALL know Stef's does not! Stef improved his time by 8 seconds by just adding the big brakes, assuming it would do the same for John, that would bring his time down to 1.20s.....
Esprits are s h i t e in the wet - no LSD and the S4s brakes are on par with a standard Imprezas (i.e. not good enough for the car) - S4S solved it with AP brakes....
And Craig, it's a labour of love, NO other car costing the same that I have even spent in TOTAL to improve the Cossie, even comes NEAR it for performance. I've driven an Esprit V8 (310bhp Cossie stayed level until 135mph and only then did the V8 start to creep away), TVR Griffith 500 (not bad, but transmission shunt unbearable), M3 Evo Convertible (the biggest disappointment EVER), MY98 Scooby UK spec (lovely ride, noise, crap interior and little room for tuning) and despite the "harshness" of the Cossie (race spec suspension), I always get withdrawal symptoms. The Esprit S4 is only a novelty in the summer when people come up to you and say how nice it looks (and the girls REALLY like it - wish I had a £1 for every time someone (men included - heh ChrisP?) asks if its a Ferrari (I'd have £8!)). Drive it for more than a few days on the trot though and it bores me silly (no threat / thrill of it killing you!). The Cossie on the other hand is just such a handful (even in the dry) that I feel rewarded that I have got out the other end alive and intact! It's like handling venemous snakes (like that nutty Aussie chap) and getting away with it... Only wish I could take one of you out in it so that you can relay the experience to fellow Scooby owners (just like Stef "educated" me!). But Robski was a girly chicken studying for his exams....
Anyway, a further £3k has been set aside for next year to ensure that I stay head of the game (and 400bhp is starting to feel slow on some occasions!). Afterall, gotta stay in front of Mark (R19KET) and Stef (in case he mods his). I don't drink (tee-total (sic)) or smoke - speed is a my addiction, gotta have MORE....(Nightmare will back me up!).
LOL (manically!)
Mike
PS The Cossie record was shattered two weeks ago at Bruntingthorpe, 202mph out of a 580bhp three-door (with total-loss water cooled brakes!), I WANT that record - ho-hum back to the drawing board...
That includes the purchase price - just adding up everything that I've thrown at it and dividing by six (but also includes £1,700 to £2,000 per year on fuel, so when you take that out it doesn't look so bad!).
And for your information John's car has standard size discs and standard callipers and as we ALL know Stef's does not!
Stef improved his time by 8 seconds by just adding the big brakes, assuming it would do the same for John, that would bring his time down to 1.20s.....Esprits are s h i t e in the wet - no LSD and the S4s brakes are on par with a standard Imprezas (i.e. not good enough for the car) - S4S solved it with AP brakes....
And Craig, it's a labour of love, NO other car costing the same that I have even spent in TOTAL to improve the Cossie, even comes NEAR it for performance. I've driven an Esprit V8 (310bhp Cossie stayed level until 135mph and only then did the V8 start to creep away), TVR Griffith 500 (not bad, but transmission shunt unbearable), M3 Evo Convertible (the biggest disappointment EVER), MY98 Scooby UK spec (lovely ride, noise, crap interior and little room for tuning) and despite the "harshness" of the Cossie (race spec suspension), I always get withdrawal symptoms. The Esprit S4 is only a novelty in the summer when people come up to you and say how nice it looks (and the girls REALLY like it - wish I had a £1 for every time someone (men included - heh ChrisP?) asks if its a Ferrari (I'd have £8!)). Drive it for more than a few days on the trot though and it bores me silly (no threat / thrill of it killing you!). The Cossie on the other hand is just such a handful (even in the dry) that I feel rewarded that I have got out the other end alive and intact! It's like handling venemous snakes (like that nutty Aussie chap) and getting away with it... Only wish I could take one of you out in it so that you can relay the experience to fellow Scooby owners (just like Stef "educated" me!). But Robski was a girly chicken studying for his exams....
Anyway, a further £3k has been set aside for next year to ensure that I stay head of the game (and 400bhp is starting to feel slow on some occasions!). Afterall, gotta stay in front of Mark (R19KET) and Stef (in case he mods his). I don't drink (tee-total (sic)) or smoke - speed is a my addiction, gotta have MORE....(Nightmare will back me up!).
LOL (manically!)
Mike
PS The Cossie record was shattered two weeks ago at Bruntingthorpe, 202mph out of a 580bhp three-door (with total-loss water cooled brakes!), I WANT that record - ho-hum back to the drawing board...
01 December 1999, 05:42 PM
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Mike,
git!
anyway Im free now, so where is the cossie, or is it holed up for the winter with the rest of the fluffy animals!?
Worst case I will wait till next year, and I will be there!
robski
git!
anyway Im free now, so where is the cossie, or is it holed up for the winter with the rest of the fluffy animals!?
Worst case I will wait till next year, and I will be there!
robski
01 December 1999, 05:45 PM
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I will indeed back you up - speed is GOOD 
Mind you, I must be a bloody awful driver, cos there's been several ocasions when I've though my esprit was going to kill me...
In defence of Mike again (for no real reason, just cos Im sweet) - think how much more mine has cost - and it isnt really that much quicker than scoob or cossie...I think Mike gets a somewhat better 'value for money' score... just not scissor doors!!
Mind you, I must be a bloody awful driver, cos there's been several ocasions when I've though my esprit was going to kill me...
In defence of Mike again (for no real reason, just cos Im sweet) - think how much more mine has cost - and it isnt really that much quicker than scoob or cossie...I think Mike gets a somewhat better 'value for money' score... just not scissor doors!!
01 December 1999, 05:49 PM
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So Mike, on top of your original purchase, you've spent the best part of £50,000 on your Cossie.
aside from:-
Costs
Outrageously
Scary
Wads
Of
Readies
To
Hone.....
into a serious bit of kit, methyinks that for the same money I could turn my Scoob into a reliable, 400+ bhp car, with, probably, all steel/titanium internals, reinforced block, twin sequential turbo's, custom made drivetrain with switchable diff (for that real man 2 wheel drive effect).
Alternatively I could by a couple of Scoobs and one of those funny sounding jap bikes that do over 200 mph and would make your standing quarter times laughable!
Hahahaha... You've not exactly been comparing like with like now, have you?
D.
aside from:-
Costs
Outrageously
Scary
Wads
Of
Readies
To
Hone.....
into a serious bit of kit, methyinks that for the same money I could turn my Scoob into a reliable, 400+ bhp car, with, probably, all steel/titanium internals, reinforced block, twin sequential turbo's, custom made drivetrain with switchable diff (for that real man 2 wheel drive effect
).Alternatively I could by a couple of Scoobs and one of those funny sounding jap bikes that do over 200 mph and would make your standing quarter times laughable!
Hahahaha... You've not exactly been comparing like with like now, have you?
D.
01 December 1999, 05:57 PM
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Dear Robski,
Cossie is indeed mothballed for the best part (but will come out if the weather and grip on the roads improve). I will e-mail you and meet up at SOME point in the future and let you have the COSWORTH experience!
Nightmare,
You're a girl - the Esprit feels like a Golf Gti (old shape 1.8 8v) compared to an Impreza. Won't go sideways properly (preferring to spin the wheel with least weight on it!) and the only time it is scary is when trying to stop quickly from BIG speeds (then its a case of sphincter nip-up mode!)
Gotta have a ride in your Diablo sometime!
Mike
PS Diablo, I've got a ZZR1100 as well.....
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Cossie is indeed mothballed for the best part (but will come out if the weather and grip on the roads improve). I will e-mail you and meet up at SOME point in the future and let you have the COSWORTH experience!
Nightmare,
You're a girl - the Esprit feels like a Golf Gti (old shape 1.8 8v) compared to an Impreza. Won't go sideways properly (preferring to spin the wheel with least weight on it!) and the only time it is scary is when trying to stop quickly from BIG speeds (then its a case of sphincter nip-up mode!)
Gotta have a ride in your Diablo sometime!
Mike
PS Diablo, I've got a ZZR1100 as well.....
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John.
Your last abbreviations were absolute pants!!! Just though I'd let you know.
Anyway, having watched some footage from my previous trips to Donington I am able to clarify a couple of things. My previous best is 1min 32secs, not 1min 34secs. The good news however, is that after watching some footage from the last track day, the new time is 1min 25secs.
Come on you RS guys, play fair. Before Donington, John was more than happy to let us know that his 350 bhp Cossie can lap Donno in 1min 28secs, which I was impressed with.
Now that a standard Scoob has whooped it, we've got the 'Ah, but you had better brakes' malarky, and his extra 100bhp is forgotten about, let alone his uprated discs/pads!! Get real!!!!
I'm sure John would better his time with better brakes too, but the issue really is whether a standard car with driving mods can be as quick or quicker than a more powerful car with engine mods, from A to B.
I believe that issue is sorted.
Someone once told me, 'Make sure your car can stop, before it can go' (cheers PC).
The million dollar question therefore is, would you rather have better brakes or an extra 100 bhp?
Hmmmmmm......let me think about that one.
Stef The Cossie Killer.
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Your last abbreviations were absolute pants!!! Just though I'd let you know.
Anyway, having watched some footage from my previous trips to Donington I am able to clarify a couple of things. My previous best is 1min 32secs, not 1min 34secs. The good news however, is that after watching some footage from the last track day, the new time is 1min 25secs.
Come on you RS guys, play fair. Before Donington, John was more than happy to let us know that his 350 bhp Cossie can lap Donno in 1min 28secs, which I was impressed with.
Now that a standard Scoob has whooped it, we've got the 'Ah, but you had better brakes' malarky, and his extra 100bhp is forgotten about, let alone his uprated discs/pads!! Get real!!!!
I'm sure John would better his time with better brakes too, but the issue really is whether a standard car with driving mods can be as quick or quicker than a more powerful car with engine mods, from A to B.
I believe that issue is sorted.
Someone once told me, 'Make sure your car can stop, before it can go' (cheers PC
).The million dollar question therefore is, would you rather have better brakes or an extra 100 bhp?
Hmmmmmm......let me think about that one.
Stef The Cossie Killer.
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Mike,
You do make me laugh!
The thing you refer to under my boot is very functional - I need somewhere warm for the dog to sleep at night
See you in Feb! Got lots of Scoobs coming so I hope the weather is nice.
David
You do make me laugh!
The thing you refer to under my boot is very functional - I need somewhere warm for the dog to sleep at night
See you in Feb! Got lots of Scoobs coming so I hope the weather is nice.
David