JdmSti2006

Waste of time,prefer to play on ps5 with kids.
Im sure Your next PM will use proper one with perfect English accent,not sure yet who they will choose-Patel or Javid

markjmd

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There are tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of criminal or potential criminal cases a year in this country, which the CPS as an institution have to decide whether to take to trial or not. If you really think the guy sitting right at the top of that institution sits there all day in front of a screen ticking a box saying "yes/no" for each one of those, you've obviously been chugging back too much of Boris's coke and LSD-laced p!ss than is healthy for your mental well-being.

(*above response typed as someone who has never in their life voted Labour)

BMWhere?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60310694

Now the money is turning on him, he won't be there much longer!

Mr Fuji

My PM? I'm not a Tory, but sadly, any PM is everyone's PM.

Mr Fuji

Starmer did apologise and took responsibility for that failure, but he did not prevent the prosecution, that was down to Saville allegedly threatening some investigating officers (debatable not impossible), but more likely due to the mishandling of the case and the poor way the victims and were handled and their integrity questioned (which of course may have been due to some intimidation from Saville, who, it has to be said, did have some powerful friends). Starmer never got near the case, it was poo pooed by people way below him. However, in 2013, Starmer did ask a QC to investigate why Saville had not been prosecuted after it all came out, and a very damning report was produced.

So exactly what is true about what Bojo said?

IdonthaveaScooby

Filling in a fooking questionaire now



tell me this is a joke

lockheed

iTrader: (1)

What is true is the buck stops at the top.

Starmer should have made it his business, unless he was terrified of some kiddy fiddler and his cronies

BMWhere?

In that case the buck stops at the top and Boris should take responsibility for all the parties on his watch and resign!

As for Starmer and the Savile case, I suggest you consider the fact-checked story -> https://fullfact.org/online/keir-sta...-jimmy-savile/
It appears he ordered the investigation into the Savile failings and instigated changes to the CPS guidance on handling sexual abuse cases which made it easier for them to prosecute pedos, particularly the child sex gangs!

lockheed

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Yes true full stop, now you have people mixing with each other day in day out and they have a few after work, which was against the rules, i agree.

On the other hand you have Britains most prolific entitled paedophile doing what he wants whenever he wants, and many a rumour about him.

Whats worse?

Mr Fuji

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Your first statement is true, but the second is nonsense! The DPP does not look at every case the CPS gets, as moment's thought will demonstrate. If he does not get to hear about it, how an he 'make it his business'? Of course, once it all came out, he did make it his business, ordered an investigation and made changes as a result. Kind of like taking responsibility...........

BMWhere?

While it is true the buck stops at the top, the real question is what involvement the top had in a bad decision and what action the top took in response.

Obviously the failure of the CPS to prosecute Savile is far worse than boozy parties breaking lockdown rules in Downing Street! But we're not discussing which is the more serious crime, we're discussing the organisational response to the dealing of each situation.

In the Starner/Savile case, the guy at the top of the organisation had no direct involvement in the decision, and when he became aware of the failure of the CPS and police in this case, he apologised on behalf of the CPS for its role in the failure, ordered a review into the cause of the failure and introduced changes in the organisation to make sure it would be less likely to happen again - he has since been praised for those reforms which have made it easier for the police and CPS to successfully bring charges against other sex offenders. From an initial failing, important lessons have been learned and improvements made to the system.

Boris on the other hand, wasn't just aware of the parties, but attended them knowing full well he was breaking the lockdown rules that he himself had set. To compare to the Starmer/Savile case, he is not just the head of the organisation, be he is also the person who committed the crime! His response when the allegations emerged, just like Jimmy Savile did, was to deny that he had committed the crime by stating on the record in parliament that "There were no parties" and hoping that there would be insufficient evidence to prosecute. As more evidence emerged, his next response on record to parliament was that "No lockdown rules were broken"! On release of the Sue Gray report which made clear that there were parties and lockdown rules had been broken, thus proving both of his previous statement to be lies, he only response is to fight back with right wing rhetoric to accuse Starmer of being responsible for not prosecuting Savile. A response, that if repeated outside of parliamentary privilege, would leave him liable to slander. A statement that has been seized upon by the right to further slur Starmer and justify angry mobs to attack him outside parliament. Johnson has been condemned for the statement from many in his own party, his closest advisor in No. 10 has resigned and publicly criticised him and the speaker of the house has been very damning of his statements.

So ask me which crime was worse? yeah Savile every time! Ask me which is worse, Starmers handling of a decision that he had no influence of, in an organisation he was in charge of, or Boris being personally investigated for crimes committed in downing street and lying to parliament, slandering the leader of the opposition and generally bringing the office of Prime Minister into disrepute? Its pretty clear, Starmer has done nothing wrong and Boris is a national embarrassment!

Wurzel

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I see Partygate has all but vanished from the news and is replaced by Prince Andrew ******** some bint 20 odd years ago and Russia invading/not invading Ukraine.

BMWhere?

Parliament is on a 2 week holiday, so there is not a lot of political news at the moment. Don't worry, the pressure on Boris will resume in a week or so!

Lozgti2

lol.ace

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

I love that British news highlighted that despite the threat of war Ukrainians are NOT panic buying bog roll.

hodgy0_2

Johnson won't resign - ever

As I posted on this forum 12 years ago the cvnt is a "dangerous buffoon"

He won't resign because he does not think he has done anything wrong so why should he ..

Just parse that for 2 mins

BMWhere?

This war in Ukraine is a get-out-of-jail-free card for him! The pressure will be off for a few weeks now and if he handles it well, it could well turn out to be his Thatcher/Falklands moment! Although the chances of him handling it well are pretty low!

IdonthaveaScooby

Tory party walking all over electorate , now proven liars

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Ah yes but atleast the Plod are going to issue 20 of them with fines for breaking covid rules during lockdown

IdonthaveaScooby

A law breaker in charge , what a joke

BMWhere?

... and a proven liar!

He might hang on now until the elections. They'll oust him if the Tories tank in the locals!

IdonthaveaScooby

and now the electrorate are busy sucking up the narrativre that he must be a hero cos he's plundering our coffers protecting an innocent leader/'free world" from the devil from soviet past


how thick do they think we are

IdonthaveaScooby

So the Torys can't find anyone who can lie as well as Boris then ....

or someone willing to bolster money making mafia weapons supply at behest sleepy Joe


although you can bet truss would be right up there if she thought it would gain her any

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Here's a thought, maybe you should join the party and present yourself as a candidate? I'm sure they'd be right up for it

BMWhere?

Tories will get hammered at the next election if they leave him in place! Labour and Lib Dems are very happy with the no confidence result!

I heard a report that some Tory MPs actually want the party to get a kicking in the next GE so they can have a complete rethink about the party direction and clean out all the backbench rebels that have been plaguing the party since Thatcher. Replacing Boris now would mean more of the same old!

He's unlikely to last too much longer though. Theresa May got a stronger backing in her no confidence vote, but was gone 6 months later. Theres a couple of key by-elections coming up, one a red-wall seat won by the tories in 2019 and likely to return to Labour (dirty bugger found guilty of abusing a 15yo boy), the other was a safe Tory seat in the South-West occupied by Mr Tractor ****, looking very likely to go to Lib-Dems! There is also the enquiry into weather the Boris lied to the house about his knowledge of the parties. Both of which could force him out!

Lib Dems are also trying to table a parliamentary no confidence vote in the government, although even if it gets tabled, there probably wouldn't be enough Tory rebels willing to defy the whip and bring down the government. Still, it would be very damaging for the public perception of the party and would pile on more pressure for him to go.

It may take a while to get him out, but I think we'll probably have a new PM by Christmas!

IdonthaveaScooby

Much too busy , and much too honest


ill leave you to chow down on your chicken Kyiv

BMWhere?

Two by-elections this week on Thursday, could be a thumping for the Tories and puts more pressure on Boris to resign.

Apparently the Times published an article in its first edition print on Saturday reporting that Boris offered a 100K job to Carrie Symonds (now Johnson) when he was foreign secretary. It now appears that No. 10 applied pressure to the Times to pull the story and it was removed from later editions of the paper and never appeared on the website. Clearly a case of client-journalism with The Times! The story of The Times pulling the story is not widely reported reported in the media, but Dominic Cummings has tweeted to confirm the story was true and actually much worse than The Times originally reported.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b06169ca9b6e12
'Death of journalism': Fury over Times 'cover-up' of Boris mistress scandal (thelondoneconomic.com)
Dominic Cummings backs hushed-up Times report that Boris Johnson tried to hire Carrie | The National

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Sky have it aswell.

https://news.sky.com/story/no-10-adm...ulled-12637444

BMWhere?

It's now also on the BBC, although at the time I posted it was missing from many sources. Seems to be gathering have now though!

IdonthaveaScooby

This will have been all about how much Boris was willing to do for news corp Murdoch