andy97

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when the range hits 600 I’ll look again


When does anyone need 600

Blue moon, 4 leaf clover, rocking horse **** event to want or need to travel that far without any stops. If you did it would be totally irresponsible, very dangerous to drive for 9 more like 10-12 hours non stop.

Tesla's range is more than sufficient for just about every journey.

ALi-B

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I do. I have no problems doing 700miles in a day. Two drivers, 3hour stints. Usually stop over around Bordeaux or Lyon depending on which route I take. Been doing it for 11years.

Unless you can have 350 mile range and fully fast charge in half an hour. Then really 700miles range is the golden milestone if electric is going to totally replace combustion engines.

Furthest we've done on a few occasions which was due to the French having strikes and generally being arseholes so making it difficult stopping there resulted in driving straight to northern Spain, took about 16hours to get from the Midlands to Zarautz, 900ish miles, three drivers and a jerry can in the boot which is just enough fuel to get from Ashford (Eurotunnel) to the Spanish boarder without refuelling.

Its also why I'm very picky of vehicle acoustics...a lot of modern tyres are so noisy and the way subframes mount on cars results in a lot of NVH; Far inferior to say an older body on chassis Range Rover or pre2000 Jaguars that provide a lot of isolation between the drivetrain and body. Minimal NVH can make or break a car for long distance driving and make it very tiring and nauseating to drive.

andy97

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You're the exception. like I said extremely rare journey, shared two drivers in your own example.

There are quite a few videos of folk traveling across USA in Teslas. You can see the density and location of Tesla's own supercharger network is covered across both continents. This does not include numerous third party rapid chargers. Charging back to 80% in 30-40mins is more than achievable.

ALi-B

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Well that's the thing. There are exceptions.

I look after some fleet cars (for a well known portable building company) and some of their cars (not including the vans/trucks) are doing 10k miles every month! That will need a daily minimum actual range of 350miles. So practically speaking this company needs cars with 400mile range. Which is still out of reach as the current fleet is just Mondeo and Focus estates and nothing in that segment exists. Fast charge points as a mitigation would be headache as they usually are travelling to building sites so nearby charge points will be limited...unless JCB role out battery powered plant requiring on-site charging. But we're still way off on that.

My personal daily road trip mileage isn't as rare as you'd think; I've met expats that do the very same journeys, some in their 70's. One couple who live in Nottingham will not even stop in a hotel and just sleep in the car and his wife doesn't drive; VW Sharan/Galaxy with over 500,000kms on the clock! Go on a Brittany ferry with a dog and I guarantee I'll end up nattering to another dog owner who all do the same trips to various distant locations across the Europe. Same at motorway picnic areas in France and there will be a British registered car with a couple in doing the same seasonal pilgrimage. Thing is, none of these people have fancy cars...most are MPVs or an estate of some sort, so this is a segment that a premium product like Tesla will not appeal to.

Suresh

Fast in a straight line though

I’ve been driving a model 3 LR AWD appliance since September 2019. Apart from when the heater broke and also when the dealer damaged the car whilst fixing said broken heater. Then it was a model S loaner.

The good: The model 3 is competent on the road and has a decent stereo. I can turn the heater on from the app and pre-heat it on a cold day. Also, they added 5% more power over the air just after I got it and it’s cheap to run as a company car. AWD is great in the snow of course and to be fair it handles well for such a heavy car.

The bad: the seats are terrible, the operating system is plagued by glitches like windows 98, it has phantom braked on the motorway twice, which is why I haven’t used autopilot in over a year. It’s utterly soulless, I can’t remember the last time I owned a car and never looked back whilst walking away.

The ugly: The range is shocking. On paper it will get me more than 500kms, but on a cold winter’s morning when fully laden, it wouldn’t even get me to Calais some 275kms away.

Verdict: if you like driving you won’t like this.

Littleted

Great Post Suresh, i have contemplated for ages Electric but having been in my Managers Model 3 performance i was kind of sat on the fence, yes it was like a rocket but very plain, i was waiting for the new BMW IX3 and now i see its here, but still i decided on petrol again. I watched the Youtuber Schmee150 and his Taycan and his latest video shows hes feeling the pain of Electric with chargers broken not working. I think for me it would be great for the wife who never goes more than 50 miles from where we live, but for me doing the long stuff, petrol for now anyway..

I recently went to Iceland for work, and there chargers at every parking spot nearly and all free....

ALi-B

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Yesterday heard some public sector bod gloating about 1,800 new ultra-rapid car charge points being installed at motorway service station saying it will stop range anxiety and get rid of combustion engine vehicles for good....

...erm...

Slight issues;

1) Ultra fast charge is several hours not 10mins like a fuel tank.

2) The most convenient time to stop and 'refuel' is at lunch time....has anyone visited the average services around lunch time?....Imagine trying to find a free charge point at the same time!!

It's still just not going to work like how consumers want it to work.

the shreksta

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i had this same discussion on saturday night about filling/charging stations not being able to cope. our local morrisons filling station always has a constant stream of people filling up, where are all these people going to park whilst they quick charge (or not lol)

also what about people who live in terrace houses with no drive way and no private parking spot, imagine coming home hoping to charge your gay electric car ready for the next day only to find that you have to park on another street because all the spaces are taken.
its utter foolishness that the government think everyone will go electric,we are just not and never will not be geared up for it.

IdonthaveaScooby

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...charging-times


i cant imagine how its possible to recharge / store so much energy in a unit in that space of time without it heating up / blowing up

ALi-B

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Sound like they just invented a capacitor Of which you'll need another capacitor to hold the energy to give it enough surge power to charge quickly...and then another capacitor to charge that and so forth

Then lots of thick, heavy, pure copper connecting cable and some damn good connectors that don't corrode and heat up. I remember my R/C cars regularly melting connectors and wires once corrosion started. And batteries explosively venting when fast charging after I ramped up the current a wee bit too high (impatiently putting over 10amps into a nicad packs to charge them in ten minutes probably was foolish...oh the naivety of youth )

SmurfyBhoy

The New Rimac just went 8.6 @ 171mph

Road tyres on an airstrip

I think it's safe to say these old fossil burners have had their day


Makes that ferrari sf90 look like it's in reverse

ray54

£1,696,368,00.............GULP! and no burble, no thanks l'll keep the scoob

SmurfyBhoy

Everyone knows all the fast scoobies don't burble....

Mental to think how far the game has moved on.

to think this is within 1 sec of AFP's 6 banger & has a warranty

Are there any UK cars even capable of hanging with this now that Andy's is sold ?

Stick a set of slicks on this & on a strip it will run a low 8 sec pass

Has a better range than my 450bhp sti did by almost double

2000+NM of torque must fell lile getting rear ended by a train

Markyscoob

My car now is a Ford Fiesta. ........So much for the Tesla.

Mind you it is an ST, and bloody good honest fun to drive, or was till it ran out of petrol. Now parked up till I could be bothered or the goons disappear from the garages.

Markyscoob

Had a run over the Mountain in it today. It's just as fast as I would have gone in the Scooby, quieter and smoother too. I like my fiesta. My First Tesla will therefore be a Battery for the garage to go with my solar panels.