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Amazing how many people have fallen for his prison bull****.
"The Prison Service rejected his claims.
"Mr Yaxley-Lennon was treated with the same fairness we aim to show all prisoners - he had access to visits, television and showers - and it is totally false to say he was held in 'solitary confinement'”, said a Prison Service spokesman.
"He was initially placed into the Care & Separation Unit for less than 48 hours while an assessment of the risk to his safety was undertaken by prison staff. He then joined the main prison population."
"The Prison Service rejected his claims.
"Mr Yaxley-Lennon was treated with the same fairness we aim to show all prisoners - he had access to visits, television and showers - and it is totally false to say he was held in 'solitary confinement'”, said a Prison Service spokesman.
"He was initially placed into the Care & Separation Unit for less than 48 hours while an assessment of the risk to his safety was undertaken by prison staff. He then joined the main prison population."
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As for the differences you asked about earlier, in the Beeb journalist's case, the leaking of the person's name was completely unintentional. Tommy on the other hand was deliberately trying to broadcast information he'd been told not to, to as many people as he could possibly reach.
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They certainly weren't in this country, or if they were put there, the people who did so would have been prosecuted just like Tommy.
As for the differences you asked about earlier, in the Beeb journalist's case, the leaking of the person's name was completely unintentional. Tommy on the other hand was deliberately trying to broadcast information he'd been told not to, to as many people as he could possibly reach.
As for the differences you asked about earlier, in the Beeb journalist's case, the leaking of the person's name was completely unintentional. Tommy on the other hand was deliberately trying to broadcast information he'd been told not to, to as many people as he could possibly reach.
I'm not defending him, I'm just not easily convinced either way.
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Keep digging as desperately as you seem to be to try and make excuses for him, and it will be very difficult to come to any alternative conclusion than that you are defending him.
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Jeeeez, what is so complicated here that you need "convincing" about? Several courts told Robinson in clear and certain terms he should not be publicizing details of what was going on in that trial, just as no other news organization should be. He knew and understood this, but for apparently no other reason than he thinks he's above the law, or more important or smarter than anyone else, deliberately chose to ignore the orders of those courts. These are not the actions of a rational human being, unless that human being is intentionally trying to give the impression that they're being victimized.
Keep digging as desperately as you seem to be to try and make excuses for him, and it will be very difficult to come to any alternative conclusion than that you are defending him.
Keep digging as desperately as you seem to be to try and make excuses for him, and it will be very difficult to come to any alternative conclusion than that you are defending him.
"Jeeez"
According to the time lines the information he shared was already public in this country .. shall I say it a third time? he was put in prison without trial .. I don't care who he is, that's not acceptable. Whilst in prison he was allowed to be attacked .. see this is where things get confusing for me, how can the left be happy about someone on the right being attacked? (I'm pre-empting your "good" comment" surely fair treatment for everyone is the key here.
If you want to debate TR with me, I will listen, I don't like or dislike him, he makes some valid points and has a questionable character .. so I try to educate myself.
If you want to insult and huff and puff, don't bother replying.
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ooooohhh you're one of those people .. found someone you don't like so all reasonable conversation goes out the window, attack, attack, attack.
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According to the time lines the information he shared was already public in this country .. shall I say it a third time?
"Jeeez"
According to the time lines the information he shared was already public in this country .. shall I say it a third time?
You can repeat it as often as you want, it doesn't change the fact that he knowingly and deliberately acted in direct contravention of the orders of several courts. So let's get right to the point here, do you believe he's above the law? Do you believe he's more important or smarter than everyone else, and can as a result simply ignore what the country's Courts say?
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ooooohhh you're one of those people .. found someone you don't like so all reasonable conversation goes out the window, attack, attack, attack.
"Jeeez"
According to the time lines the information he shared was already public in this country .. shall I say it a third time? he was put in prison without trial .. I don't care who he is, that's not acceptable. Whilst in prison he was allowed to be attacked .. see this is where things get confusing for me, how can the left be happy about someone on the right being attacked? (I'm pre-empting your "good" comment" surely fair treatment for everyone is the key here.
If you want to debate TR with me, I will listen, I don't like or dislike him, he makes some valid points and has a questionable character .. so I try to educate myself.
If you want to insult and huff and puff, don't bother replying.
"Jeeez"
According to the time lines the information he shared was already public in this country .. shall I say it a third time? he was put in prison without trial .. I don't care who he is, that's not acceptable. Whilst in prison he was allowed to be attacked .. see this is where things get confusing for me, how can the left be happy about someone on the right being attacked? (I'm pre-empting your "good" comment" surely fair treatment for everyone is the key here.
If you want to debate TR with me, I will listen, I don't like or dislike him, he makes some valid points and has a questionable character .. so I try to educate myself.
If you want to insult and huff and puff, don't bother replying.
The chain of events is pretty straight forward and widely publicised, as are Stephen's attempts to play the victim; he was warned about revealing information about ongoing trials, he ignored the warnings, they punished him as per their warnings and then he whinged abut it.
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Isn't that more an exclamation of exasperation because you are being obtuse?
The chain of events is pretty straight forward and widely publicised, as are Sean's attempts to play the victim; he was warned about revealing information about ongoing trials, he ignored the warnings, they punished him as per their warnings and then he whinged abut it.
The chain of events is pretty straight forward and widely publicised, as are Sean's attempts to play the victim; he was warned about revealing information about ongoing trials, he ignored the warnings, they punished him as per their warnings and then he whinged abut it.
Where are you getting your "facts" from? the papers? Look at how the case is progressing, it's not so simple. Does he deserve to be in prison .. I don't care .. but I'm struggling to be convinced he broke the law .. based on the videos/bloggs I've read the time lines don't match. He was certainly there to push the "authority" but what he actually said was already out there.
Have a look at some of the other videos no by main stream media.
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Who's Sean?
Where are you getting your "facts" from? the papers? Look at how the case is progressing, it's not so simple. Does he deserve to be in prison .. I don't care .. but I'm struggling to be convinced he broke the law .. based on the videos/bloggs I've read the time lines don't match. He was certainly there to push the "authority" but what he actually said was already out there.
Have a look at some of the other videos no by main stream media.
Where are you getting your "facts" from? the papers? Look at how the case is progressing, it's not so simple. Does he deserve to be in prison .. I don't care .. but I'm struggling to be convinced he broke the law .. based on the videos/bloggs I've read the time lines don't match. He was certainly there to push the "authority" but what he actually said was already out there.
Have a look at some of the other videos no by main stream media.
IMO, he was at the trial to further his own scumbag agenda and got called out on it and is now paying the price.
He claims this is a political trial, but it's just another criminal offense he is being prosecuted for. The man is a thug.
The original trial, him being jailed, the verdict being overthrown, the subsequent visit to the Old Bailey and the engagement of the Attorney General has been widely reported across many media outlets. The only ones that support him are far right in origin or bat-**** crazy conspiracy theorist sites.
TBH I've seen enough of him to last a lifetime.
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Ta for correction!
IMO, he was at the trial to further his own scumbag agenda and got called out on it and is now paying the price.
He claims this is a political trial, but it's just another criminal offense he is being prosecuted for. The man is a thug.
The original trial, him being jailed, the verdict being overthrown, the subsequent visit to the Old Bailey and the engagement of the Attorney General has been widely reported across many media outlets. The only ones that support him are far right in origin or bat-**** crazy conspiracy theorist sites.
TBH I've seen enough of him to last a lifetime.
IMO, he was at the trial to further his own scumbag agenda and got called out on it and is now paying the price.
He claims this is a political trial, but it's just another criminal offense he is being prosecuted for. The man is a thug.
The original trial, him being jailed, the verdict being overthrown, the subsequent visit to the Old Bailey and the engagement of the Attorney General has been widely reported across many media outlets. The only ones that support him are far right in origin or bat-**** crazy conspiracy theorist sites.
TBH I've seen enough of him to last a lifetime.
I'd like to see someone take him on with a solid arguement, all the videos are people calling him names with nothing to back it up. Have a look on you tube.. they call him a racist but when asked they can't actually provide anything he ever said that's racist.
He is against Islam .. I'm personally not a fan but I'm also not a fan of Christianity or any other religions. The problem I see with Islam is the attempt to force it and punish those who defy, but how big of an issue this is, I couldn't tell you.
I think the media is scared to report and Tommy over reports.. I like to hear both sides and try and find the middle truth.
I don't like anyone telling me what to think or how to feel and anyone who gets angry debating me isn't worth my time as their point has already become invalid.
Facts dont have feelings ..
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To be honest I assumed it was another name he used rather than a mistake.
I'd like to see someone take him on with a solid arguement, all the videos are people calling him names with nothing to back it up. Have a look on you tube.. they call him a racist but when asked they can't actually provide anything he ever said that's racist.
He is against Islam .. I'm personally not a fan but I'm also not a fan of Christianity or any other religions. The problem I see with Islam is the attempt to force it and punish those who defy, but how big of an issue this is, I couldn't tell you.
I think the media is scared to report and Tommy over reports.. I like to hear both sides and try and find the middle truth.
I don't like anyone telling me what to think or how to feel and anyone who gets angry debating me isn't worth my time as their point has already become invalid.
Facts dont have feelings ..
I'm not a fan of religion either, but I'm not bigoted and I do believe that's what he is...
Although facts don't have feelings the people imparting them probably do...to be fair I think if you re-read your replies some are a little on the obtuse side, frustration kicks in for the best of us. I certainly have the capacity to be a right twerp when irritated
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This was from the first conviction. He knew what he was doing and the consequences, his PR firm probably suggested it.
The 35-year-old was already subject to a suspended sentence for committing contempt during a rape trial in Canterbury in May 2017, and had been told that if he fell foul of the law again he would go to prison.
Robinson was prosecuted for attempting to film defendants at Canterbury Crown Court, despite notices stating the move is illegal all over the building.
Judge Heather Norton said at the time: “This contempt hearing is not about free speech. This is not about the freedom of the press.
“This is not about legitimate journalism; this is not about political correctness; this is not about whether one political viewpoint is right or another. It is about justice, and it is about ensuring that a trial can be carried out justly and fairly.”Judge Norton sentenced Robinson to three months’ imprisonment but suspended the sentence for 18 months, meaning it would not come into effect unless he committed further offences. His lawyers had claimed he was ignorant of the filming ban.
“You will now be under no illusions whatsoever as to what you can and cannot do,” the judge told Robinson.
“If you commit any further offence of any kind, and that would include a further contempt of court by similar actions, then that sentence of three months would be activated, and that would be on top of anything else that you were given by any other court.”
The 35-year-old was already subject to a suspended sentence for committing contempt during a rape trial in Canterbury in May 2017, and had been told that if he fell foul of the law again he would go to prison.
Robinson was prosecuted for attempting to film defendants at Canterbury Crown Court, despite notices stating the move is illegal all over the building.
Judge Heather Norton said at the time: “This contempt hearing is not about free speech. This is not about the freedom of the press.
“This is not about legitimate journalism; this is not about political correctness; this is not about whether one political viewpoint is right or another. It is about justice, and it is about ensuring that a trial can be carried out justly and fairly.”Judge Norton sentenced Robinson to three months’ imprisonment but suspended the sentence for 18 months, meaning it would not come into effect unless he committed further offences. His lawyers had claimed he was ignorant of the filming ban.
“You will now be under no illusions whatsoever as to what you can and cannot do,” the judge told Robinson.
“If you commit any further offence of any kind, and that would include a further contempt of court by similar actions, then that sentence of three months would be activated, and that would be on top of anything else that you were given by any other court.”
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agreed .. he's not above board .. but why does everyone hate him .. he's making himself rich and famous .. so are a lot of other idiots.. but there is this hatred of him that comes from a perception of racism that can't be defined.
This kind of interview makes people support Tommy people start shouting and getting angry with him and he just asks them to prove their points and they can't, there is nothing when you ignore the personalities, in what he is saying that is not factual. Do I think he's going about it the right now, no probably not, do I know how he should be? no ..
So this is my problem with the way Tommy is presented and the standard "he's this...", "he's that .." I want to see the facts and not the hurt feelings of people who believe in a god. I believe strongly that there is no god and I could suggest in the same way they suggest him questioning the quran is disrespectful, that anyone talking about religion is disrespectful to me.
Times are changing, people don't believe in god any more.. but that create an minority and oh how we fear minorities.
AND let's be clear here, I support everyone's right to believe and practice whatever religion they please, in fact I would go and argue for them, but not if it impacts me.
This kind of interview makes people support Tommy people start shouting and getting angry with him and he just asks them to prove their points and they can't, there is nothing when you ignore the personalities, in what he is saying that is not factual. Do I think he's going about it the right now, no probably not, do I know how he should be? no ..
So this is my problem with the way Tommy is presented and the standard "he's this...", "he's that .." I want to see the facts and not the hurt feelings of people who believe in a god. I believe strongly that there is no god and I could suggest in the same way they suggest him questioning the quran is disrespectful, that anyone talking about religion is disrespectful to me.
Times are changing, people don't believe in god any more.. but that create an minority and oh how we fear minorities.
AND let's be clear here, I support everyone's right to believe and practice whatever religion they please, in fact I would go and argue for them, but not if it impacts me.
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