andy97

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Diesels are dropping thru the floor currently

Good

dpb

Second hand ones , like the one above?

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/c...ed-n-2017.html

andy97

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Short lived flurry, new MOT, clean air zones will be kill them off

alcazar

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Yeah...let's all go electric.

This is just more of the IAJFEE mentality that abounds on here, and I see the usual supects supporting it.

The well-off will buy brand new electric cars, and have no problems, selling them on for another new one just in time for battery problems to surface, which will be neatly passed on to the less well-off to deal with.

Pretty much as everything is in the UK at present.

Those of us who need to travel decent distances will not be able to, but hey, who cares, so long as rich SE and London people are OK.....

legacy_gtb

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IAJFEE?????

Sorry, thats a new one on me.

andy97

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lets see
Im Alright Jack, Flap Everyone Else

These cars will be the future, batteries will last year's

legacy_gtb

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Ah righto, cheers for that andy.

Dont worry Alcazar, if you need to a decent range and dont want the recharge times, HFC's are on the way for you.

Once people cotton on to how bad batteries actually are HFC's will get the funding and infrastructure the country needs to fulfil theyre no ICE's by 2040 promise.

Theres a slim chance that a non lithium based battery tech will pop up and make HFC surplus to requirements, but seeing as batteries have been evolving for 100 years, and any major improvement requires a change to the periodic table, i think the challenges of Hydrogen arent nearly as demanding as making batteries answer every problem.

Fishbowlhead

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I wouldn't worry about it too much guys. Fossil fuels needed to be scrapped and damage reversed 50 years ago, not half arsed plans that won't work IN 50 years.

With the corals dying if not already dead, bees being poisoned and ice caps melted, MPG is going to be the least of our concerns in a few decades.

ALi-B

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This is what needs to be adopted: Our pollution issues will not be mitigated by more cars.

Its time to tax people off the roads.

andy97

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True, I nearly do as many miles cycling as driving our cars each year. My mates think I'm crazy to cycle 16 or so miles to get lunch or cycle for evening meal with the wife . Burns almost the calories we eat

ray54

I kind of agree......

dpb

And send garages off the road / gone bust.....?

ray54

Could'nt garages become hi tec charging stations, offering all motoring needs!,of coarse the chargers will be high.

Sorry iv,e got to that age..........

andy97

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Fitter than I've ever been, comfortably cycle 150+miles a week. A way of life now

andy97

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Get rid of back street rips off merchants like VW, Audi Mercedes

dpb

i think someone in Africa may dispute you, Way of life, Andy !

Maybe if yo got rid the cars and did all your business by bicycle

dpb

you can do your own servicing ??

andy97

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I do all the basic stuff, brakes, brake fluid change. oil+filter changes. I even do small engine management faults like O2 sensor fails. I purchased the full diagnostic Ford kit for my truck to reset an engine management light on the lights system. I got it from China for a 1/10th that Ford want to license the software and interface for one year.

That is pretty much bread and butter work that most garages make a chunk of cash from. If you service your car regularly then other problems are generally pretty rare these days. Only Warranty stuff, but the last 2 cars I've bought had 5 years servicing for £400 all in. A no-brainer compared to what do main dealers charge~£100 per hour.

My mates Merc went in for an oil change, they wanted £275

dpb

I really meant the electric one .

iv done all that on my 15 y/o petrol .

point is your "Back street rip off merchants " are likely not to be around in future when it all goes wrong

andy97

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When we move, we will be within 10 miles of 3 towns, so cycling will be even more desirable, lots of country lanes to traverse from each town

andy97

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Other than brakes/fluid not much else to service. The Electric motors are non service and will require specialist repair. No exhaust, some coolant for battery management, thats it.

coupe_20vt

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A mixture. Probably 70% motorway.

coupe_20vt

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And your point is?

I drive a Focus RS at weekends. I can afford to run both. Life's too short to be counting pennies and driving a milk float

andy97

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Unless you drive a top spec A3 TDI the '18 will probably out accelerate it, hardly a milk float. '19 Leaf will have 50% more power and torque, out performing the majority of cars. Zero emissions, no tax, extremely cheap to run

Fishbowlhead

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I hear that all the time. Oh electric can NEVER replace diesel because of the torque, actually electric can and often does have more. Or, oh electric is slow and crap, really? Better tell all the Tesla drivers their cars are slow then?

Lack of research every time.

dpb

All talk of you ask me

It's revs and handling /feel that milk floats / dodgem cars will lack


Who cares about torque . It's soulless

legacy_gtb

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Its not complete crap to be fair.

The reason people refer to EV's as slow and crap isnt about the performance of the car because as you rightly said theres loads of electric grunt there if you want it.

However, most EV's on the road seem slow and crap because of the natural range anxiety with something that you cant just stop and "refuel".

How far would a tesla travel in ludicrous mode being driven enthusiastically? I know that doesnt really fly as a factor as any cars economy drops with enthusiasm, but my guess is that as a proportion of economy range to enthusiasm range, BEV's will come out worse than ICE.

(and just so ya know, im not anti BEV, just aware of its issues.)

andy97

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Torque is what pins you in the seat, revs just makes noise, well it does for ICE

Fishbowlhead

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Yep all things to consider long term. However I've no idea on range when flooring a Tesla, I mean would it reduce range going at full speed vs pootling at 50mph? Or would you get the same range and simply get there faster?

I honestly have no idea.

legacy_gtb

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Youd use alot more energy travelling everywhere at mach1, and then even more if your in ludicrous mode as the map would be biased towards performance/response rather than economy in a way you cant do with ICE because theres no stoich to worry about.

Only real factor in response mapping an EV is how much abuse do you want to throw at the battery.