https://climatechangedispatch.com/st...riving-on-gas/

 

Most polluting allready pay the most , question remains - whos going to pay for the roads

 

To counter, each of gallon fuel produces around 20lb of CO2 when burnt, so take an average tank of 10 gallon x 20lb=200lb=91kg per tank. lets say you fill up once a week=52x91=4732kg of CO2/year

Now you have not provided the cost in CO2, methane, other pollutants, particulates from building rigs, fuel to run and bore, extract, carry, refine, then transport around the world to every petrol station.

 

Wife has had a busy week racking up 800 miles

Electric cost £17 for 800 electric miles

Equivalent fossil fuel cost £88

 

Excellent, the Smart was about £2 for 100 miles, non Economy 7 and guesstimated using my crappy monitor thing. I want one more each day, no trips since I borrowed it have been beyond it's range, definitely my next car and I'd get it now if I wouldn't get shafted on depreciation on the current one.

 

But at least 60 % yours is also fossil fuel !


( andys , and jacks )

 

Maybe but it's not spewed into your face on the roadside.

 

Just keeping the PD down overnight, that is why it's cheap, no one was using it.

Our new development will hopefully have 90PV panels for total free of grid necessity.

Oh no, how much co2 was created making pv panels

 

oh yes self drive monster ev vehicles the way fwd ... eek

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...cid=spartandhp

 

Came out of the shadows right across the path. Car had no malice or intention to harm, far better than human drivers

 

What , just wrong place wrong time

So it's all fine ?

 

The deceased really should known better ?

 

What makes you think a human driver would've been any different?

 

I think "electric cars" and "autonomous cars" are getting unfairly banded together as they both need new tech and advanced control systems.

Autonomous cars seems really daft to me at the moment because if the driver (occupants probably a better term) is supposed to be there ready to take over if something goes wrong, but they havent had to have any input for a chunk of time leading up to that something going wrong, when they are needed theyre reaction times will be rubbish as theyre not concentrating on the road, and when they do take over, theyre ability to do something about it has been severely compromised.

In a normal driven car, you have to be concentrating to a fairly high level every second of every journey or your through a hedge. How can anyone be expected to see a problem, react to it, take control, take evasive maneuvers, not kill pedestrian etc etc from a cold start.

The only benefit i see from autonomous cars is the fact theyre currently being a good test bench for passive safety systems which can be included in normal driven cars to stop muppets (we'll never eradicate muppets unfortunately) from causing accidents.

 

In 2016 40,000 people killed in the USA involved with vehicles . I very much doubt a driver would of reacted any differently. No it's not fine someone was killed or injured . The pedestrian didn't ensure their own safety in this occasion

 

42 miles of commuting today in the XC90 Hybrid

112 mpg

 

That sounds very good.
Was it fun though, or did you spend the whole time lifting and coasting or nagged by range anxiety?

 

Totally agree.
It won't be the tech that will cause autonomous cars to flop, it with be the liability issues and insurance costs that ensue when a robot car kills a pedestrian.

The railways are a case in point: if 9 people died in a crash on our highly automated rail network then there'd be a 5-year public inquiry and a slew of safety recommendations.

Meanwhile nine people are killed by driver controlled vehicles on the roads every day and there's probably no more than 5 days of investigation on each of those deaths.

We seem to be able to tolerate human failure but we can't stand software or system failure.

 

It's a Hybrid, it fiips from petrol to battery when it decides. I use adaptive auto cruise most of the time, let the car follow 2 seconds behind a vehicle in front. I probably spent less than 4 miles on petrol for the journeys

 

isnt this the least attractive ecologically / economical combination ?

 

I wish it had a 50mile electric range, it would then be the perfect vehicle for both commute and long journeys. It's a beautiful car to drive and fitted with lovely interior

 

Nissan leaf'18 this morning in school run did equivalent of 200 empg

2000 miles now costing £40 of electric

ICE fuelled car (ave~50mpg) £220
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Thats a heck of a long journey to skool !

 

Like anyone in a petrol or diesel would ever get an average of 50mpg anyway.

 

That's right, I'm being rather generous with using 50mpg for ICE, more like 30-35mpg. Which would make 2000 miles cost ~£360 . Who would want to pay so much more for running costs when there is a perfect alternative for 99% of all your journeys + zero tailpipe emissions

 

We live in the countryside, 3 miles to the end of our drive

 

I've had my Audi A3 TDi for 7 months now. Done 12500 miles at an average of 54.3mpg

 

Is that almost all motorway mileage?

 

Wow £1300 on fuel

Electric car £250 on electric

 

and the depreciation ?