Paben

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That's no answer, and you missed out 'So there!'

JTaylor

Read the first book of the Bible.

My church prayed for Fry and I hope that he will one day turn from his hatred of the Creator.

Paben

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I guess it's a Welsh thing

JTaylor

It may take me some time to list the attributes of a being who's infinitely perfect.

SouthWalesSam

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No doubt you do. However that is just you letting you imagination run away with you. After all, you know nothing about my upbringing nor experiences.


Thanks, but no thanks.

JTaylor

You skipped postmodernism then?

Paben

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Absolute power corrupts absolutely. There is no worse heresy than stating that the office sanctifies the holder of it. God may be an infinitely perfect example of this.

SouthWalesSam

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You're slippery, Taylor but some of us can fish for eels...
When Joshua makes the sun stand still in the sky this is not a "'depiction of the observable universe" this is a claimed phenomenal event, even though it is something that could have never happened.


'Sin' is something you and your ilk created and love to run to as your fall-back fig leaf when you're struggling for justification of your irrational beliefs.

Just for your information: Your Jesus made no condemnation of slavery. As a consequence, Christianity played little or no role in slavery's abolition.
In fact the bible you so trust (but seemingly barely know) allowed slavery to be justified for many hundred of years.
So may I, in turn, refer you to 1 Peter 2 or Ephesians 6 where you'll find guidance on how to be a good slave.
This is not praiseworthy. Not at all.

SouthWalesSam

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Debate, Taylor. Don't Bullsh!t.

JTaylor

Jesus is God incarnate. In writing the above you assert that The Christ is absolutely corrupt. That, sir, is Satanic philosophy.

Paben

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There's no light without darkness. Your love of Jesus is inspired by your fear of Satan and his works, so you should thank him not condemn him. Without Satan Jesus would be pointless.

Mr Fuji

I don't really want to get dragged into an argument about religion, either side is deeply entrenched and unlikely to shift, but purely as a logical question, nothing to do with religion, how can something imperfect come from something perfect? Either it is not perfect, or it has purposely designed something to fail, which seems pretty insidious, considering the punishment meted out to those who 'fail'?

We are 'creators' of lots of things, and they inevitably fail due to our shortcomings. It would be so much easier if everything just worked!

urban

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With allowing all the suffering in the world, you could say he's a bit of a cvnt

Paben

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Cor, you should now be just a smoking hole in the ground!

urban

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Yet, i'm still functioning as normal.
I'm expecting a big hand to come through the clouds to pick me up by the scruff of the neck

ZANY

JTaylor

The sun was already still, what he actually did was to still the earth and the moon.

There are several explanations: some of my brothers and sisters in Christ believe that Joshua actually performed a miracle. I think it's more likely to be poetic language, the meaning of which I can explain if you wish.

Well, I guess that perspective saves you from acknowledging your own sin.

This is so wrong from a purely historical perspective that I'm unsure where to start.

First, have a read of this Wiki' page and then come back to me:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Abolitionism

Secondly, Peter and Paul's exhortations to treat slaves well must be looked at in light of the culture of the day. Come back to me if you'd like me to explain this to you.

JTaylor

Exactly the same logic could be applied to Judas; without him the messianic prophecy would have been unfulfilled. If you're to be consistent then you must stand with the 13th at the table.

I do fear Satan and his works, the old man still rages inside me, but then I call on Jesus and find myself beside still waters...

JTaylor

There's the promise of the new heavens and a new earth where the elect will dwell with Jesus in perfection. You'll not find the promised land outside of Christ. Seek Him out, Mr Fuji!

Peedee

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Utter codswallop. Adam and Eve were 2 people created by god, and were the only people in the beginning, the bible says so. You, as one of his followers, are not in a position to interpret this as you see fit (clearly as an attempt to side-step my initial question because you cannot answer it any other way). You cannot say “oh, well, I’m a evolutionary creationist, so therefore I will ignore certain parts of the bible that either have been or will be proven, in time, to be wrong and / or impossible”. You either follow what it says, or you don’t. We know science has proven evolution, which is contrary to what the bible says (which you must follow, you cannot pick and choose bits). You also cannot say that Adam and Eve were, in your interpretation, “mythical”, but yet with absolutely no physical, hard proof, you DO believe that Jesus and God were / are real. Again, picking and choosing so it suits your argument. You know who else does that? Radicalised nutjobs.

JTaylor

Okay, thank you for your thoughts. You might find this a helpful resource should you choose to devolop your understanding.

http://biologos.org/

RAGGY DOO

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Let’s get back on topic the forum is very quiet at the moment
How many regular posters still own a performance Subaru anymore?
Lunatics like jtaylor spouting a lot of ****e on here as usual contributes not positive to the forum would be better off on a religious forum

dpb

Its NSR , you dont have respond as you wish

Paben

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No question. Without Judas there would have been no crucifixion, no resurrection and no Christianity. He should be honoured alongside Jesus as a pivotal figure in the founding of Christianity rather than a despised one.

Peedee

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Ill pass. Science and religion do not mix. You’d like them to mix because whereas science is based on factual evidence, often tested over time to further cement it’s finidings, religion is a fairytale that has been proven wrong time and time again.....by science, so ‘trying’ to mix them helps your cause and attempts to help justify the (many) wrongs dictated by religious readings.

But thanks for the reference

On another note, have you ever thought of becoming a politician? You would make a truly fantastic one!

njkmrs

Admiration is truly wonderful and makes my cup overflow , but its usually watching PornHub....!

JTaylor

I do understand that biblical literalism is the low-hanging fruit and it must be frustrating when there are no easy pickings. It's easier to simply enforce the notion that there's a conflict between following Jesus and science. There is none. Seek Him out.

urban

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Not many. Most have moved on

urban

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Another fictitious character.

Peedee

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You cannot ‘seek’ something out that is not literal, it is not there, it does not exist. Unless of course, you are ‘led’ to believe it does. More commonly known as ‘gullibilty’.

“Gullibility is a failure of social intelligence in which a person is easily tricked or manipulated into an ill-advised course of action. It is closely related to credulity, which is the tendency to believe unlikely propositions that are unsupported by evidence”

And please don’t tell me the bible is ‘evidence’. Evidence is factual information that cannot be interpreted in a number of different ways (the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid), it is what it is. Believers, including yourself, interpret the bible differently to suit there own needs / arguments etc. That’s not evidence, it’s a story.

And let’s be brutally honest about this.......1000’s of completely innocent people who have worshipped their God’s their entire life have been killed / injured / abused in the name of religion, often by people of the same religion, who just interpret it in a different way. Does that genuinely sound like a realistic, balanced, morally correct model to you? And therein lies the fundamental problem with religion......interpretation. As long as you can twist and contort religious readings to suit your own agenda (of which you do) it’s never going to work. Nobody will ever be on the ‘same page’ so to speak.