Air oil separator
#31
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Ages ago I read a thread where they said catch cans weren't anything complicated and even a coke can would do lol. Is a more expensive catch can really that much better or are they all the same.
Looking at the few return to sump kits there only seems to be some sort of baffle where is it keeping the oil or is it plumbed in to get the oil from blow by and put that back in the sump. I've started looking into this again and I'm getting more and more confused.
Looking at the few return to sump kits there only seems to be some sort of baffle where is it keeping the oil or is it plumbed in to get the oil from blow by and put that back in the sump. I've started looking into this again and I'm getting more and more confused.
#32
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Ages ago I read a thread where they said catch cans weren't anything complicated and even a coke can would do lol. Is a more expensive catch can really that much better or are they all the same.
Looking at the few return to sump kits there only seems to be some sort of baffle where is it keeping the oil or is it plumbed in to get the oil from blow by and put that back in the sump. I've started looking into this again and I'm getting more and more confused.
Looking at the few return to sump kits there only seems to be some sort of baffle where is it keeping the oil or is it plumbed in to get the oil from blow by and put that back in the sump. I've started looking into this again and I'm getting more and more confused.
#33
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Ideally you want an AOS with a decent baffle so that the oil mist is caught out of suspension and then returned to sump. These cars can breathe heavily, particularly on track days where high cornering speeds are involved. The most ideal setup would involve venting the AOS to atmosphere as, even with a large percentage of the oil being “caught”, some will invariably still work it’s way through to the inlet and the gasses coming out of the crankcase aren’t exactly rich in oxygen either.
So from the research I've done and my limited understanding if a catch can is plumbed back into sump that makes it an AOS or are both terms interchangeable. Another question do you want the oil from a catch can going back into the sump because doesn't it get loads of condensation. Or is it a case of when its plumbed in to the sump that gunk doesn't get in.
Thanks
#34
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the 'gunk' only forms because of condensation and isn't actually there under correct operating conditions as the gas is too hot and the moisture simply burns off...
once everything cools you can get 'gunk' forming in the colder can
once everything cools you can get 'gunk' forming in the colder can
#35
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Is my understanding correct?
Would something like this work https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154553761...EAAOSwHTFhB6ID
Thanks guys.
#36
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Will this work on a 2008 Sti UK EJ25 ? It's just it says 2001 - 2007
https://rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/s...-kit-2001-2007
https://rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/s...-kit-2001-2007
#37
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Hi mate, hows it going, hope you're doing well.
So from the research I've done and my limited understanding if a catch can is plumbed back into sump that makes it an AOS or are both terms interchangeable. Another question do you want the oil from a catch can going back into the sump because doesn't it get loads of condensation. Or is it a case of when its plumbed in to the sump that gunk doesn't get in.
Thanks
So from the research I've done and my limited understanding if a catch can is plumbed back into sump that makes it an AOS or are both terms interchangeable. Another question do you want the oil from a catch can going back into the sump because doesn't it get loads of condensation. Or is it a case of when its plumbed in to the sump that gunk doesn't get in.
Thanks
As Alyn has said, the condensation/oil mixture isn’t an issue. Some AOS’s like the Perrin and IAG use coolant to pre-heat the outer jacket of the AOS to stop condensation from forming, but it’ll still happen in any pipework that is cooler than the blowby gasses. If you were to take a standard breather hose and cut it open, you’d see it in there too. Once the oil from the AOS reaches the hot oil in the sump the condensation burns off again and you are left with clean oil. Once you do your first oil change you will see there’s nothing to worry about.
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#38
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All good thanks buddy, I hope you are too? The term AOS is generally used for a device that returns to sump, whereas a catch can just catches it. The problem with a catch can is they need emptying whereas an AOS is fit-and-forget.
As Alyn has said, the condensation/oil mixture isn’t an issue. Some AOS’s like the Perrin and IAG use coolant to pre-heat the outer jacket of the AOS to stop condensation from forming, but it’ll still happen in any pipework that is cooler than the blowby gasses. If you were to take a standard breather hose and cut it open, you’d see it in there too. Once the oil from the AOS reaches the hot oil in the sump the condensation burns off again and you are left with clean oil. Once you do your first oil change you will see there’s nothing to worry about.
As Alyn has said, the condensation/oil mixture isn’t an issue. Some AOS’s like the Perrin and IAG use coolant to pre-heat the outer jacket of the AOS to stop condensation from forming, but it’ll still happen in any pipework that is cooler than the blowby gasses. If you were to take a standard breather hose and cut it open, you’d see it in there too. Once the oil from the AOS reaches the hot oil in the sump the condensation burns off again and you are left with clean oil. Once you do your first oil change you will see there’s nothing to worry about.
#39
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Will this work on a 2008 Sti UK EJ25 ? It's just it says 2001 - 2007
https://rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/s...-kit-2001-2007
https://rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/s...-kit-2001-2007
#40
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That's helped a lot Danjo, thanks for the info. So out of what's currently available out there, and an AOS is probably a better option as it's an install and forget about system what would you say would be the best buy as i want to fit one within the next couple of weeks to fit in with my full service.
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#41
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All good thanks buddy, I hope you are too? The term AOS is generally used for a device that returns to sump, whereas a catch can just catches it. The problem with a catch can is they need emptying whereas an AOS is fit-and-forget.
As Alyn has said, the condensation/oil mixture isn’t an issue. Some AOS’s like the Perrin and IAG use coolant to pre-heat the outer jacket of the AOS to stop condensation from forming, but it’ll still happen in any pipework that is cooler than the blowby gasses. If you were to take a standard breather hose and cut it open, you’d see it in there too. Once the oil from the AOS reaches the hot oil in the sump the condensation burns off again and you are left with clean oil. Once you do your first oil change you will see there’s nothing to worry about.
As Alyn has said, the condensation/oil mixture isn’t an issue. Some AOS’s like the Perrin and IAG use coolant to pre-heat the outer jacket of the AOS to stop condensation from forming, but it’ll still happen in any pipework that is cooler than the blowby gasses. If you were to take a standard breather hose and cut it open, you’d see it in there too. Once the oil from the AOS reaches the hot oil in the sump the condensation burns off again and you are left with clean oil. Once you do your first oil change you will see there’s nothing to worry about.
Thanks guys for the detailed explanations. Any thoughts on the link I put up.
#42
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Banjo, i'll see what Simon at Chevron motorsport recommends, your recommendation on the RCM one does seem a sensible one and it seems like a good piece of kit and a good starting point, i could get either the IAG or Perrin one but i'll go with other peoples advice, like yours and to see what Chevron say.
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#46
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What colour tank is it and is it unused and boxed with everything that came with it, how much do you want for it ? PM me a couple of pics if poss as long as it aint red as im trying to remove all the red out of my engine bay that the previous owner put in lol
#47
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Not easy to find the motivation to do it when it’s as cold as it is currently!! Mine is over at Enginetuner currently having a 500bhp+ build.
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#49
I hope nobody minds if I add a bit to this thread since it's also about air oil separator and I don't think it really needs a new thread for it.
Has anyone tried the GC8 specific RCM AOS? How does it perform? Good enough for track use?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281285035701
Can't seem to find anyone that used it and also post a review / photos of the this installed.
I really like the idea that it is specifically made for the GC8 and assume I won't have to tackle the hassle of finding a location to mount the reservoir or drill new holes into the car.
Has anyone tried the GC8 specific RCM AOS? How does it perform? Good enough for track use?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281285035701
Can't seem to find anyone that used it and also post a review / photos of the this installed.
I really like the idea that it is specifically made for the GC8 and assume I won't have to tackle the hassle of finding a location to mount the reservoir or drill new holes into the car.
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#51
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This seems a better upgrade than catch cans. Shame they have branding all plastered over them.
I wonder if beatrush do one?
edit! They do
https://www.kamispeed.com/products/beatrush-air-oil-separator-catch-tank-subaru-02-05-wrx-sti
I wonder if beatrush do one?
edit! They do
https://www.kamispeed.com/products/beatrush-air-oil-separator-catch-tank-subaru-02-05-wrx-sti
Last edited by RobsyUK; 07 December 2021 at 12:39 PM.
#52
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This seems a better upgrade than catch cans. Shame they have branding all plastered over them.
I wonder if beatrush do one?
edit! They do
https://www.kamispeed.com/products/b...-02-05-wrx-sti
I wonder if beatrush do one?
edit! They do
https://www.kamispeed.com/products/b...-02-05-wrx-sti
#53
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I hope nobody minds if I add a bit to this thread since it's also about air oil separator and I don't think it really needs a new thread for it.
Has anyone tried the GC8 specific RCM AOS? How does it perform? Good enough for track use?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281285035701
Can't seem to find anyone that used it and also post a review / photos of the this installed.
I really like the idea that it is specifically made for the GC8 and assume I won't have to tackle the hassle of finding a location to mount the reservoir or drill new holes into the car.
Has anyone tried the GC8 specific RCM AOS? How does it perform? Good enough for track use?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281285035701
Can't seem to find anyone that used it and also post a review / photos of the this installed.
I really like the idea that it is specifically made for the GC8 and assume I won't have to tackle the hassle of finding a location to mount the reservoir or drill new holes into the car.
This year I've done tracktime at Spa, Nurburgring GP and twelve laps of the Nurburgring. In all that time it's only collected maybe a third of a cup of oil. It's not bypassing the can as I put a filter on the output pipe under the car. I don't run back to the inlet.
Results might be skewed slightly as it's not the original V6 engine, it's now running a V8 avcs engine and I don't know if Subaru improved oiling issues between the generations.
Supplied by AS Performance. Anything else you want to know?
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#54
I have this fitted to my car, fits perfectly on the chassis rail without interfering with the AC system or fuel filter. Didn't run mine back to the sump, but it's getting changed over winter. Seem to remember I had to put a couple of rivnuts in to hold it?
This year I've done tracktime at Spa, Nurburgring GP and twelve laps of the Nurburgring. In all that time it's only collected maybe a third of a cup of oil. It's not bypassing the can as I put a filter on the output pipe under the car. I don't run back to the inlet.
Results might be skewed slightly as it's not the original V6 engine, it's now running a V8 avcs engine and I don't know if Subaru improved oiling issues between the generations.
Supplied by AS Performance. Anything else you want to know?
This year I've done tracktime at Spa, Nurburgring GP and twelve laps of the Nurburgring. In all that time it's only collected maybe a third of a cup of oil. It's not bypassing the can as I put a filter on the output pipe under the car. I don't run back to the inlet.
Results might be skewed slightly as it's not the original V6 engine, it's now running a V8 avcs engine and I don't know if Subaru improved oiling issues between the generations.
Supplied by AS Performance. Anything else you want to know?
Would you happen to have a photo of it installed? Curious to see where it is actually located.
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#56
I can get you a picture of mine if you want but once they are fitted and everything is back in the engine bay they almost disappear. When I first enquired with RCM they sent me this picture which shows fitment pretty well, you can see it under/around the aircon drier at the back right of the engine bay.
Never occurred to me to ask RCM themselves for a photo of their product.
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#59
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Gambit, was it the RCM attack one you went for ?
#60
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its this one the can itself a lot bigger in real life/fitted than it looks on the website
https://rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/s...-kit-2001-2007
https://rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/s...-kit-2001-2007
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