gazzawrx

iTrader: (11)

In my experience if theres not enough evidence to guarantee prosecution in a court proceeding then cps wont bother taking you to court, normally they will bail you while looking at evidence and either issue summons or drop the case

1509joe

iTrader: (2)

What a lot of people are failing to grasp here is corruption. In the ideal world it wouldn't be a factor but this is far from an ideal world so it does.

dpb

You don't think its relatively good here , compared with other places round the world ?!

Felix.

I'm brainwashed...?

Any OIC can challenge any decision given by CPS. If I am the OIC for any given case (burglary, assault, theft, fraud, damage, walking on the cracks in the pavement) - if the case is contested (ie the suspect has denied it or raised a partial defence) the file is sent for pre-charging advice by the CPS.

The CPS will then discuss this case with the OIC - no 'my bosses/superiors' - me.

If i disagree with the verdict by the CPS lawyer, I can challenge his/her decision - and basically get a second opinion from another CPS source. I have done this numerous times and been successful - so no I am not brainwashed!



'As for this statement.' - This refers to the fact that CPS can sometimes decide themselves to drop it. Which you replied with "B******t if they think they can get away........." I am stating that your argument is wrong - they can drop it and we can decide to challenge if we think there is a case. So no, its no B******t

Felix.

As above really, the CPS will have a meeting with the OIC to discuss the case to see if it passes the threshold to charge to court with the current evidence. As the OIC has been the investigation officer, they will have an input on things such as witness reliability, identification issues, CCTV, suspect interviews etc etc. So the OIC has an input into the discussion and as OIC can challenge any decision made by CPS - whether that decision is to charge or to NFA.

Now, at the point of charging up until the court date (several weeks or months later) a lot can happen. Usually, the defence will apply to the CPS for disclosure of evidence and start to gather their defence evidence to counter that of the prosecution. Some defence solicitors disclose this to the CPS before the court date, others don't. This is why sometimes cases are dropped before the court date or the statement 'CPS offer no evidence' arises, as the witnesses all don't turn up at court or withdraw their statements.

So, I'm not sure why PC Barnabus was "wasting CPS's time" as the CPS could of dropped it before it went to court if there was no evidence at all. In essence CPS were wasting CPS's time. If its just a case that the defence have done its job and countered the prosecution evidence, then that's part of the court process.

Felix.

What corruption....

Or is this another statement that you don't feel as though you should explain yourself for.

Felix.

Kind of. It has to pass a threshold test to test the evidence at that point to see if there is a realistic prosecution at court.

If, at that point, there isn't - they can either NFA. Or if other evidence can be obtained (statements from people, medical statements, forensics etc) they can bail a person until that evidence is got and assessed.

If it then passes the threshold test, you can charge to court or summons to court in non-custody cases (ie the person was never arrested).

1509joe

iTrader: (2)

Oh dear you just don't get it do you. I keep trying to walk away from this drivel but you keep insisting everything is done by the book. IT IS NOT

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I have to admit to a wry smile at Feix' assertion that having to incrimnate yourself was Ok by EC law.

It's a fact that the UK government threaten3ed to take their bat AND ball home if the ECHR came back with a "wrong" decision from their viewpoint.

Even now, top legal figures across the EU do not understand how that ruling was ever handed down.

But, of course, according to felix, it's NOT all about revenue....

Felix.

So, what isn't being done by the book with regards the things I have mentioned - CPS sometimes dropping cases etc etc

neil-h

Well I never thought I'd see the day, Alcazar singing the praises of something that came out of the ECHR

Felix.

Don't tell me, your still using www.lingula.org.uk as your source of info

Which 'top legal figures' are these then?

lozgti1

Just watching Hot Fuzz.

Lol

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

Nick Frost's tiny Policeman's helmet, with the rain shawl on top.

lozgti1

Class film

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Ah, sorry, forgot you were in Martin 2005 mode.

No, no, it never did.....

Felix.

That was one of your sources I do believe

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Nope. French TV and newspapers.

1509joe

iTrader: (2)

Did you have too thought he'd gone on duty with the rest of goody goody never tell lies mates

Felix.

OK - since you all now think I'm lying, I've found the quote:

https://www.scoobynet.com/1034033-th...police-10.html

Entry - #277

JackClark

I think all people who detest the police should be proud, wear a badge and put a sign up on your house. That way you won't have to explain to any police officers that you don't need their help, saves time all round.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

One quote...on a different subject, the "speed kills " mantra. LOL

You are reaching now.

1509joe

iTrader: (2)

That would not be a problem Sir but that would bite you in the a**e cause that would prosecute you for taking matters into your own hands.

dpb

Vigilantes ?

Worst of the worst

1509joe

iTrader: (2)

No its called sticking up for yourself when the so called police force run the other way. Its a waste of time contacting them you be murdered before they decided to attend Wouldn't need to happen if they did their job Then they'd tell a pack of lies as to why they didn't attend

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

You talking about those angry neo-liberal cyclists with their headcams?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

This^^^^

Never fails does it...."No-one available, sir..."

Yet there's seemingly always someone to sit behind a camera........

lozgti1

lol

I detest apple too. Just put a sign in the garden, chopped our apple tree down and just making my badge

1509joe

iTrader: (2)

Them cyclist ones make me laugh they always seem to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If your in the lorry their in your blind spot. There always sneaking up the inside of you at the last minute no matter what your driving and then blame you if by chance you decide to turn left even if your indicators have been on. The law of the jungle seems to apply here if its bigger than you you give it a bit of respect. I personally would not dream of essentially undertaking a lorry or any motor vehicle for that matter at a junction but they seem to think its their given right and then cry about it when an accident happens. If you where undertaking in motor vehicle plod would be after you.

lozgti1

You have just ruined every movie I love Duncan