lozgti1

Felix excepted.lol

Played cricket with them. Socialised with them. Verdict? Failed ever school exam. Crap at life ? Be a copper

Apologies Felix but too many cop shows on tv . And to be honest detest everyone of the thick sods even more. T@@ts. They really are utterly on the fine line between thick and ultra thick

They were great 10 years ok. They do **** all now. Used to respect you. dont even know the emergency number now.

Numpties

markjmd

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At the risk of coming across like a patronizing (but very well informed) t0$$er, I suspect what you really detest is what's become of the criminal justice system in this country, not the rank and file plod who are largely powerless to do anything to change it.

Oh, and did noone ever tell you not to drink and post?

wrx300scooby

Watered down to the point of being ineffective.

Felix.

either that, or he has just been done for speeding

Felix.

And how did your English exam go?

So which bits is your angst against then - and what bits of what shows are you basing your judgement on?
And what did they do 10 years ok (or did you mean 'ago') that they don't do now?

You need to put a bit of 'meat on the bones' to debate your argument. Its a bit like a conclusion to a report, but since I'm a BSc I am use to that sort of thing

ossett2k2

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With an ever increasing violent society and ever increasing views of our police that the numpty OP has made I actually think it takes a special person to be in the police force,or any of our emergency services,who in the main do a dam fine job imo,yes as in all walks of life you're going to get some bad apples but never enough to upset the cart.
Maybe the OP can expand on their rant?

Steve001

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My thoughts exactly

Don't you just hate them when you get caught speeding and love them when they arrest the ****** who nicked your car and recover your pride and joy?

ALi-B

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I did have a fair bit of respect for them over the years but it has waned.

Don't get me wrong, there's some good guys in there, but a lot of those have left. What is left is overwhelmed by the general level of both common and organised crime, bolstered by having to carry the burdens left by the jobsworths and whims of out of touch yet over paid upper heirachy.

Generally speaking if you call them (and they actually turn up) or you get pulled its a 50:50 chance it'll be a useless overweight jobsworth sleepwalking through their shift, or someone up for doing their best to get s**t done. That can be good/bad depending on which side of the law you are on at the time.


Never been done for speeding (yet), but did have a polite discretionary word. I don't do bull**** or intentionally be obstructive, so I guess this works in my favour.

Try talking to a illegally parked Talivan operator and experience the full blown definition of jobsworth! Btw they aren't police but sit in Police liveried vans

alcazar

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Aye...and if you insist, the coppers who are soooooooo busy will be there to arrest YOU in no time at all....w@nkers.

Paben

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The police must be very frustrated by the minimal sentences handed out to serious offenders. We've all watched on tv when stolen cars are driven by madmen, who risk the lives of other road users and when eventually brought to a stop try to run over the cops. The penalty dished out to them is often similar to that received by someone caught doing 120mph on an empty motorway at 3am. Something wrong somewhere.

Felix.

Well, I've not done that or had any experience of that being done - so I must be OK then.

JTaylor

Loz is good guy ordinarily. As Mark suggested, I imagine he'd had a bevy or two before posting.

Felix.

And do you have any experiences to support this? Your only quoted experience was a 'discretionary word' which I assume you were happy with?

Mix into the pot that our numbers have been slashed by the current government who also changed the rules of crime reporting to make it impossible to reasonably administer.

Yet the public perception is wanting to see more police on foot?

alcazar

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Ah, the voice of (police) reason. From INside.....

or lies...you make up your own minds.

Felix.

No - I'm stating that I have not done this nor has anyone I know.
Or are you accusing me of lying and if so, where's your evidence to suggest it?

Tidgy

Most officers are fine and decent folks, always get the odd jobsworth in every job, police force and policies are a different kettle of fish, their priorities are not most folks and thats what causes the friction.

My grudge is how they spend huge sums on mobile cameras then put them where they will make the most money, not for safety reasons, yet dont even have officers to attend certain crimes like vandalism and theft.

I should also add i do like ANPR

legb4rsk

It's probably one of the most thankless frustrating jobs you can have today.
Dealing with known repeat offenders(10+ convictions) who are complete brain dead, foul mouthed, aggressive oxygen thieves whilst having to treat them with the constraints of all the rules of engagement that exist around the job.All the work you put in to gain the evidence need just to put a case forward only to have the Crown Prosecution Service throw it out.Then if you do finally get them to court the judge gives them a slap on the wrist & they are back on the street that same day for the whole cycle to begin again.

If that was your working environment how well would you cope?

ALi-B

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Yes Felix, I didn't realise I'd have to reference every single meeting or dealing I have had with various people within the Police. But think of it from a general perspective; I'd have thought it would be blatant that my experiences would not be from that one single motoring event! I very much doubt a male living in a urban area with a highish crime rate for 38years would have such little contact with the various levels of the British police.

But seeing you asked; Within the police I have are four main sources via ex officers that have either left or retired that I have regular contact with. I also know two people in the force, but don't see them much, and another training up to join.

In terms of the single speeding warning, which is just pointed out due to the jist of the thread flow within a motoring forum. Happy as there was no actual physical evidence or measurement. It would have been a waste of resources to pursue it any further. As such the matter was dealt with the utmost of courtesy and respect on both sides.

In terms of communications with serving officers throughout my lifetime, lost count. About five direct contact in the past couple of years for various events. Both good and bad. Latter not so good, for whatever reason. Apathy, fatigue, don't really want to guess any further. As I said earlier the balance in my opinion is 50:50 good/bad experience.

And finally the most poignant; the brutal arrest of a person I know. Long story short it ended up with him incurring a broken wrist and broken leg whilst being arrested (and not resisting). He's not a strong man (chemotherapy), nor is he a violent character (no previous record, not known etc.), nor drunk/drugged. Fine stuff happens, you may think. Thankfully the whole event was caught on camera and seemed to contradict officer's accounts. Its going through the courts. Often I try find some form of explanation or reasoning to a event such as this, but on this one I was left totally appalled.

Could anyone condone the broken limbs on a questionable arrest and rationalise it down to the consequences of government cutbacks and bad administration?

PS. ANPR for the win Same goes for the factory fitted trackers fitted in the current generation of Internet-enabled cars (recovered a few stolen vehicles thanks to them, no need for expensive aftermarket tracker subscriptions).

ALi-B

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Is Loz really Wayne Rooney

Felix.

What happened and were you a witness to it? I have known of officers being inured by the seemingly frailest of people.

fatscoobfella1

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I know a female police officer and she is an absolutely vile human being.

Rude,arrogant,bombastic,authoritarian and narcissistic.

Horrible.

tarmac terror

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ANPR is being crippled by incompetent imbeciles at the Home Office, and several regional ACPO ranks trying to deliver a National capability using an inherently flawed architecture, and throwing fistfuls of money at a supplier who's product will never cope with the volumes of data needed - mostly driven by prejudice against the only supplier with a credible and proven back office capability

lozgti1

lol

lozgti1

You wouldn't catch me driving a beetle

Felix.

And who is that supplier then?

john banks

We don't know how fortunate we are with the quality of police in the UK.

In all my interactions with them professionally (probably monthly), they have been awesome.

alcazar

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Your problem seems to be that you base everything on your little bit of the police, whertever that may be.
If it hasn't happened to you/your force, or you haven't done/seen that, it's not happening.

That's a bit like me saying Australia doesn't really exisrt because I've never seen it.

So yes, lies, by another name.

tarmac terror

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The one who is currently providing back office services to 26 UK forces, and who supplied the olympic back office to the Met which had to be relied on when the current National system lay down and remained down throughout the 2012 games!!!

Felix.

But you seem to imply that if it happens once at a given location, then it must happen like this at every square inch of the country by every officer. Thats like saying - criminals were sent to Australia in the past, therefore Australia must be full of criminals.

My argument is not post-hoc. You seem to suggest I'm lying - I'm telling you I am not.

You seem to see or read about something police related, automatically make a negative assumption then paint the entire UK force with the same brush.

Felix.

Which current National system was that then? Everything seemed to be working fine when I was there.