Dingdongler

Oh deary me. The SN poll was a bit off the mark then.


Not a good result for the country, just more instability and the whole Brexit debate wide open again.

Bloody Theresa May......

hodgy0_2

lol


and the best line of the night goes to Guy Verhofstadt


Guy Verhofstadt, the European parliament’s Brexit representative, described the result as “yet another own goal – after Cameron now May”, adding: “I thought surrealism was a Belgian invention.”

genuinely made me chuckle

jonc

May hugely underestimated the electorate and Corbyn and overestimated the strength of the Tories. Despite her disastrous campaign, I don't think she should resign, that would just make the situation even worse. Of course Corbyn wants her to resign so he can try and form a minority Government. That would be an even bigger disaster for the UK and Brexit. The majority of their policies and spending plans would never get the backing of parliament, in fact nothing would ever get done as each party fights among themselves. the only way forward for the country is for May to stay on and form a coalition with another party, Lib Dems have ruled themselves out and the simplest option is to get the DUP on board to form a majority Government and try and continue the job of running the country and strike a good deal with the EU. I hope this will put paid to the idea of a "hard" Brexit and continue to be part of the single market and retain our passport for the finance industry. Hopefully the results will also put an end to Sturgeon's independence ambition!

JTaylor

Martin2005

Yep she's useless.


The sheer bloody arrogance of her and the Tories. Have a snap election 'in the national interest' (when 20%+ ahead in the polls )


Then not bother to tell anyone what they were going to do, instead rely on soundbites and posturing with the EU.


I think it's flippin hilarious




They have got exactly what they deserve

Dingdongler

I'm trying to stay an optimist, perhaps some good will come of this.

I voted leave but with a heavy heart and many reservations. Perhaps the lack of a Tory majority will prevent a hard Brexit. Perhaps we'll also see some increased investment in the NHS.

Apart from the 'student vote' I wonder if Labour increased their vote share because of Corbyn or despite him.
Speaking to colleagues yesterday who told me they intended to vote Labour many said they were voting for the party not Corbyn, McDonnell or Abbott.

I wouldn't mind a Labour government but just not one with Corbyn and McDonnell in charge.

Like you my biggest (only) enjoyment of the night was seeing that snake Sturgeon lose a third of her seats.

Dr Hu

People are fed up with Public Cuts.....

If she had come out and said last week - OK we got it wrong on Terrorism - we gonna clamp down on the anti-terror legislation, AND hands up got it wrong and reverse the police cuts, here's another 10,000 police for our safety she would have walked it....

I don't think Brexit had hardly any bearing at all

At least they stuck it to Jocks and Sturgeon's 'IndyRef2.0'

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

From looking at inner city areas up north and outside of the confines London, devout Labour seats have stayed as Labour seats, so certainly a case of the usual "I vote xxx, because I always have". Similar can be said for tory. So the results round here is same old same old (my area still held Tory rule three times running after decades of Labour rule, so little change here).

What has swung it is the minority seats switching sides, but I'm struggling to find where, usually BBC is sh*t hot on showing a list of swing results by each constituency where we'd easily see which seats resulted in this hung parliament. But it appears absent at the moment, unless my mobile phone is giving me a cut down version of the website.

neil-h

Well I have to say UK politics is a farce

Martin2005

The farce was the Conservatives.
It's kind of uplifting after the EU vote, to witness the public seeing through the spin.

Petem95

Yeah can't stop laughing, all you bitter liberals have been desperate to cause some disruption, and now you've done it - you must be so pleased! You'll have to all go out and smash up a Starbucks, spray graffiti everywhere and then get stoned - or whatever it is you guys enjoy doing

The UK economy will take a real hit from this, expect Q3 maybe, and certainly Q4 GDP to take real hit. The UK had been looking very strong post-brexit, with huge amounts of construction projects getting the green light in the last 6-12 months. Here in Leeds it's a sea of building projects, but I think many of these will end up being put on ice now due to this uncertainty.

Can't disagree with regards to May though. Unbelievably complacent in calling an election when she was miles ahead in the polls, and thinking she didn't even have to bother with a campaign.

I reckon October or November for another GE, and hopefully Conservatives will get a decent majority in that one. They certainly won't be complacent in that one, but overall this is bad news.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Labour have courted the student vote, and the grey vote which latter the Tories well and truly p!ssed off.

Poor campaign by them.

As for Martin's posturing, above, not worth a response.

Martin2005

Pete, you need to change the record pal. Anyone who isn't as right wing as you isn't a liberal.


The economy has been slowing for a while now, the longer term picture is worrying too, as businesses dramatically scaled back investment due to Brexit uncertainties. This isn't a theoretical argument anymore, it's happening.


The mistake here has been to run with a 'hard Brexit' posture. There's no evidence that most of the public want this.


Brexit must happen, but it needs to be done in an more even handed way, the government needs to start listening to people, business and institutions. They really need to cut out the posturing and start telling people in detail, what they're going to do, how they're going to do it, and what the likely impacts are going to be.


All the rubbish about 'no deal....' and going to WTO rules, are just soundbites. If people actually looked at what they actually meant, they'd be scared stiff.

SouthWalesSam

iTrader: (1)

A wonderful result!

A reminder to Teresa May that all elections are about the economy and hope and not about herself and Brexit.

A rejection of 8 more years of Tory austerity and economic mismanagement and the spectre of a bellowing, belligerent and bungled Brexit.

And it comes with the added benefit that the country still stopped short of letting the Looney Left get a grasp on power (however genuine a man Corbyn might appear to be).

It's time to park Brexit or at least admit it's going to take even longer to deliver successfully - if at all - and concentrate on the real priority of finding a government that really can pave the way for us to achieve sound economic growth and social justice.

Come on, you cowering Blairites! Stand up!

David Lock

Don't disagree with that but the whole business was getting a bit out of hand. Starting work with a £60k debt is not on. My daughter needed an MSc to go into the medical career she wanted and just a few years back the NHS paid the course fees but stopped doing this recently.

I think a better plan would be for tuition fees to be subsidised say 50% which would stop chancers just going to uni for the booze and FF Week and greatly reduce suicidal loan levels. If Labour did end up calling the shots then they WOULD need to stick a penny on tax and should have thought of this.

David

OR - consider variable rates for subsidies. Qualifications that are clearly advantageous for us all e.g medical, heavy weight science stuff to get 80% discount but many "arts", drama type degree students to pay 80% of fees. But need to tie in heavy subsidies to working in UK for a few years (5?) after qualifying.

Tidgy

Better plan for fees would be to stop sending people to uni who simply arn't intelligent enough. Put more young people into apprenticeships that are actually useful.

Uk manufacturing and construction is going to pot because there arn't enough people learning trades.

Peedee

iTrader: (4)

Completely agree with you. The problem is in schools. Not enough emphasis is being put on apprenticeships or just going into work. Uni is forced down kids throats along with the impression that if you don't go to uni, you'll be a failure.

jasey

It's worse than that.

Miles ahead - knowing that all the youngsters would be voting for "Jezza Corbs" - What's the best plan ?

I know lets **** off all the oldies too !

It would be funny if it weren't so serious.

Strong & Stable my **** !

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Remain voting constituencies saw a 55% swing towards labour.


Despite this UK will still leave EU...Corbyn has said that all along. So remainers celebrating because of Labour's gain seems odd (Southwalessam- we're still leaving).

Celebrating that we have a coalition government as well knowing the farce the last one was...is that something to be happy about? Really?

What we have is yet again a two horse race between two mediocre parties that do not really represent the uk as a whole and both which have politicians within it that have poor track records of actually doing a decent job! Less so as a coalition.

Martin2005

I agree with you about Brexit going ahead. But this result has put the brakes on the 'hard Brexit' runaway train.

Dingdongler

Did they see through the spin or did they (especially students) just fall for Labour's spin instead?

Martin2005

Maybe?

I think student fees should remain.

Let the geeks crunch the numbers before conclude this was all about students. I think there was a strong 'remain' effect here too.

It's heartening though to see the younger generations participating.

Tidgy

Labour were promsing free stuffs which would never have happened unless they borrowed heavily, some people will have fallen for the 'fully costed' tag line where the reality is its a guess on extra tax they could pull in.

dpb

Another election in November really would see tories get a canning !

Where do you think all this cash for new / expensive pads for the rich has been coming from this last year or so btw?

jonc

I think the student/activists voters fell for the "Robin Hood" manifesto of Labour; take from the rich and give to the poor. I expect that they also thought voting for Corbyn was somehow anti-establishment too and thought it would look great on their social media profile.

Tidgy

its a sorry state of affairs that its become a popularity contest

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

It's a farce isn't it?

Although I had no qualm with her calling an election as to not do so would be a replication of the Gordon Brown era, which IMO is worse.

But the campaign from the Tories was terrible, I thought the Brexit campaign was bad but this was really bad.

As for student voters, well, when I saw the t-shirts with an image of Corbyn posing like Che Guevara I knew that all sensibility had been lost. Although at least they learnt their lessons from not voting in Brexit; Too late to fix that though.

Tidgy

So the next question is will wee jimmy crankie resign now she has managed to loose 40% of the party's support?

Dingdongler

I genuinely don't understand how there has been a strong 'remain' effect. Corbyn said we would leave and as a result the free movement of people would end.

So unless people have misunderstood a vote for Labour is not a vote to remain.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Well said.

The mojor problem with universities is there is too many low quality Unis, some are ex-polytechnic but not all. Offering courses that pose little or no relevance to employment roles, let alone routes into employment or sponsorship by industry.

Some courses are self regulated so basically so long as you pay the fees and turn up, you get a degree! But see where that bit of paper get you in the job world..nowhere!

With the bar set so low we have ended up with a system where competing universities will take on anyone so long as they can pay the fees.

Meanwhile I'm reading news reports full of spelling/autocorrect and grammatical errors and wonder what levels of literacy does it require to be a journalist these days, and this is from someone who is dyslexic (albeit not severe)!!