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27 May 2017, 03:33 PM
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27 May 2017, 04:10 PM
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perhaps to where ever the parents/ grandparents came from,,,, just because they where born here doesn't make them english/british, if yoy where on holiday in spain and your wife gave birth early it don't make your child spanish or to put it another way if a cat had kittens in a kennel they ain't gonna be puppies are they, these (don't want to use the word but never mind) people do not have the views and ethics of everyone else in this country, so wake up look right for once in your lives (goverment) and send them somewhere better suited to thier views and ethics, then when the goverment have done that stop poking your noses in other countrys using the moral highground as a excuse when we all know it's all about oil and money, then maybe just maybe we the british public would suffer less of these attacks on your behalf
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27 May 2017, 04:23 PM
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perhaps to where ever the parents/ grandparents came from,,,, just because they where born here doesn't make them english/british, if yoy where on holiday in spain and your wife gave birth early it don't make your child spanish or to put it another way if a cat had kittens in a kennel they ain't gonna be puppies are they, these (don't want to use the word but never mind) people do not have the views and ethics of everyone else in this country, so wake up look right for once in your lives (goverment) and send them somewhere better suited to thier views and ethics, then when the goverment have done that stop poking your noses in other countrys using the moral highground as a excuse when we all know it's all about oil and money, then maybe just maybe we the british public would suffer less of these attacks on your behalf
27 May 2017, 04:48 PM
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It's very sad what happened. My condolences to all affected.
No amount of ranting on this forum is going to do a damn thing.
nothing is going to change, politicians are too scared of being branded racist, islamophobic etc.
Might as well end the pointless discussion and enjoy the long weekend.
No amount of ranting on this forum is going to do a damn thing.
nothing is going to change, politicians are too scared of being branded racist, islamophobic etc.
Might as well end the pointless discussion and enjoy the long weekend.
27 May 2017, 05:20 PM
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27 May 2017, 05:28 PM
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30 May 2017, 01:52 PM
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See what you've done there is manipulated the situation to prove your point. You've moved from learning how to make a bomb to actually doing it. Buying/owning/manufacturing explosives is licensed in the U.K. and doing so without a licence is illegal. No one has even so much as suggested that people have a right to build bombs yet you've done some nice little mental gymnastics to get there anyway.
What you're suggesting is a slippery slope into the joyful world of thought policing. Stopping people learning things because they may actually apply that knowledge isn't the kind of world we should be wanting, especially given these kinds of events aren't actually that frequent.
What you're suggesting is a slippery slope into the joyful world of thought policing. Stopping people learning things because they may actually apply that knowledge isn't the kind of world we should be wanting, especially given these kinds of events aren't actually that frequent.
. By allowing the material to stay on the internet and advocating the sharing of said information you aren't giving them the right but the opportunity. Taking it away narrows the opportunity. Narrowing the opportunity increases the likelihood of them being caught. As for "thought policing". We already agree certain aspects of the internet should be policed. There definitely should be other areas that are policed.
It's already been mentioned about ISIS videos on youtube, wtf!!!? try to upload a video of Jimi Hendrix, it'd last about 10 minutes. YouTube govern themselves in their own rules and regulations, the same can be said for Facebook, twitter etc etc. The internet is a policed state already, but not policed by the police lol.
Most of it is common sense. The general public as a whole are pretty stupid.
As for the whole deportation argument. If someone is seen the be a threat to public safety they should have their freedom revoked. If they aren't from the UK then its bye bye. If they are from the UK then they shouldn't be on the streets. If they haven't committed a crime but there's enough suspicion they could cause harm to themselves or others then they can spend some time in an institution until they can convince the authorities they are no longer a problem.
30 May 2017, 07:32 PM
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to be fair it would probably be a lot cheeper than mi5 following them around 24/7,
and jails wouldn't be full if only the people in charge listened to the officers,and i quote from a mate that works in exeter nick,
most 1st timers spend the first 6 weeks ****ting themselves, wondering who wants to shaft them and who wants to hurts them, after 2 hours anyone who wants to know knows why you are in, so 6 weeks max sentence for 1st timers for low grade offences then send em home they won't be back he said, but leave em in long enough to settle in and it's game over them come back time n time again it's just to easy
and jails wouldn't be full if only the people in charge listened to the officers,and i quote from a mate that works in exeter nick,
most 1st timers spend the first 6 weeks ****ting themselves, wondering who wants to shaft them and who wants to hurts them, after 2 hours anyone who wants to know knows why you are in, so 6 weeks max sentence for 1st timers for low grade offences then send em home they won't be back he said, but leave em in long enough to settle in and it's game over them come back time n time again it's just to easy
30 May 2017, 08:12 PM
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Too many could-well-become-terrorists making old Blighty unsafe. Strong circumstantial evidence but nothing to stand up in court.
So we say to them "We can't risk your freedom so we'll give you a choice. We'll pay you to go home (where your parents were born) and you cannot return or we will lock you up in UK until we are 110% sure you will behave". This would apply to British citizens as well. Yes mistakes will be made, tough.
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So we say to them "We can't risk your freedom so we'll give you a choice. We'll pay you to go home (where your parents were born) and you cannot return or we will lock you up in UK until we are 110% sure you will behave". This would apply to British citizens as well. Yes mistakes will be made, tough.
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30 May 2017, 10:52 PM
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Too many could-well-become-terrorists making old Blighty unsafe. Strong circumstantial evidence but nothing to stand up in court.
So we say to them "We can't risk your freedom so we'll give you a choice. We'll pay you to go home (where your parents were born) and you cannot return or we will lock you up in UK until we are 110% sure you will behave". This would apply to British citizens as well. Yes mistakes will be made, tough.
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So we say to them "We can't risk your freedom so we'll give you a choice. We'll pay you to go home (where your parents were born) and you cannot return or we will lock you up in UK until we are 110% sure you will behave". This would apply to British citizens as well. Yes mistakes will be made, tough.
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Then what do you do?
30 May 2017, 11:04 PM
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31 May 2017, 12:10 AM
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31 May 2017, 09:51 AM
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Too many could-well-become-terrorists making old Blighty unsafe. Strong circumstantial evidence but nothing to stand up in court.
So we say to them "We can't risk your freedom so we'll give you a choice. We'll pay you to go home (where your parents were born) and you cannot return or we will lock you up in UK until we are 110% sure you will behave". This would apply to British citizens as well. Yes mistakes will be made, tough.
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So we say to them "We can't risk your freedom so we'll give you a choice. We'll pay you to go home (where your parents were born) and you cannot return or we will lock you up in UK until we are 110% sure you will behave". This would apply to British citizens as well. Yes mistakes will be made, tough.
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31 May 2017, 10:32 AM
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Surely you must realise how fundamentally wrong this is? You're going against the very basis of the UK legal system. I really do find it worrying how readily people (and not just you DL) will throw away everything the UK stands for because of what ultimately is quite a rare event in this country.
31 May 2017, 10:51 AM
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It's not though, assuming the wikipedia article is accurate (and it's quite a well researched piece by all accounts) this decade has been no worse than the one before it and nowhere near as bad as the 90s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Great_Britain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Great_Britain
31 May 2017, 12:33 PM
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Surely you must realise how fundamentally wrong this is? You're going against the very basis of the UK legal system. I really do find it worrying how readily people (and not just you DL) will throw away everything the UK stands for because of what ultimately is quite a rare event in this country.
In a global sense the death of a couple of dozen UK citizens on rare occasions is almost acceptable when similar numbers are killed on a daily basis, drowning, being bombed or just being starved to death.
What a mess the world in in. I find it very depressing especially when I think about my kids' future
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31 May 2017, 05:41 PM
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Surely you must realise how fundamentally wrong this is? You're going against the very basis of the UK legal system. I really do find it worrying how readily people (and not just you DL) will throw away everything the UK stands for because of what ultimately is quite a rare event in this country.
31 May 2017, 06:33 PM
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