very true but deporting the 8/9 that drew the long straw would, eventually

 

Deport them where? Badistan?

 

What happens if they're UK citizens? I suppose we could always reinstate Australia as a penal colony.

 

perhaps to where ever the parents/ grandparents came from,,,, just because they where born here doesn't make them english/british, if yoy where on holiday in spain and your wife gave birth early it don't make your child spanish or to put it another way if a cat had kittens in a kennel they ain't gonna be puppies are they, these (don't want to use the word but never mind) people do not have the views and ethics of everyone else in this country, so wake up look right for once in your lives (goverment) and send them somewhere better suited to thier views and ethics, then when the goverment have done that stop poking your noses in other countrys using the moral highground as a excuse when we all know it's all about oil and money, then maybe just maybe we the british public would suffer less of these attacks on your behalf

 

Did you vote leave, Madscoob?

 

Being born somewhere else on a 2 week holiday and being born somewhere you've claimed asylum are just not the same thing

 

It's very sad what happened. My condolences to all affected.

No amount of ranting on this forum is going to do a damn thing.
nothing is going to change, politicians are too scared of being branded racist, islamophobic etc.
Might as well end the pointless discussion and enjoy the long weekend.

 

damn right i did based on the fact that in 5 years time 8000000 from germany alone will be eu citizens and WOULD of had the right to come here merkels plan to offload em in 5 years time has backfired bigtime

 

'Nominal 'Brits''

 

Pretty much this. By the UK governments own definition, he was a British citizen. As for a cat having kittens in a kennel, that's easily the worst analogy I've ever heard. We're not talking about changing species here

 

I see.

 

But people are actually making bombs ffs . By allowing the material to stay on the internet and advocating the sharing of said information you aren't giving them the right but the opportunity. Taking it away narrows the opportunity. Narrowing the opportunity increases the likelihood of them being caught.
As for "thought policing". We already agree certain aspects of the internet should be policed. There definitely should be other areas that are policed.

It's already been mentioned about ISIS videos on youtube, wtf!!!? try to upload a video of Jimi Hendrix, it'd last about 10 minutes. YouTube govern themselves in their own rules and regulations, the same can be said for Facebook, twitter etc etc. The internet is a policed state already, but not policed by the police lol.

Most of it is common sense. The general public as a whole are pretty stupid.

As for the whole deportation argument. If someone is seen the be a threat to public safety they should have their freedom revoked. If they aren't from the UK then its bye bye. If they are from the UK then they shouldn't be on the streets. If they haven't committed a crime but there's enough suspicion they could cause harm to themselves or others then they can spend some time in an institution until they can convince the authorities they are no longer a problem.

 

So you'd be happy to foot the bill ?

( prisons are quite full )

 

to be fair it would probably be a lot cheeper than mi5 following them around 24/7,
and jails wouldn't be full if only the people in charge listened to the officers,and i quote from a mate that works in exeter nick,

most 1st timers spend the first 6 weeks ****ting themselves, wondering who wants to shaft them and who wants to hurts them, after 2 hours anyone who wants to know knows why you are in, so 6 weeks max sentence for 1st timers for low grade offences then send em home they won't be back he said, but leave em in long enough to settle in and it's game over them come back time n time again it's just to easy

 

Too many could-well-become-terrorists making old Blighty unsafe. Strong circumstantial evidence but nothing to stand up in court.

So we say to them "We can't risk your freedom so we'll give you a choice. We'll pay you to go home (where your parents were born) and you cannot return or we will lock you up in UK until we are 110% sure you will behave". This would apply to British citizens as well. Yes mistakes will be made, tough.

dl

 

The problem with the 'deport them' argument is that you can only deport someone if the potential recipient country will accept them.
Then what do you do?

 

give them a parachute

 

or 'accidently' forget to pack the parachute properly😀

Seriously though, deporting people is bloody difficult

 

not if they are offering to fight for the side who runs the area they parachute into perhaps crowd funding could help the others that where arrested to leave

 

Well that's their hard luck. They choose another country or stay here and get locked up.

David

 

Surely you must realise how fundamentally wrong this is? You're going against the very basis of the UK legal system. I really do find it worrying how readily people (and not just you DL) will throw away everything the UK stands for because of what ultimately is quite a rare event in this country.

 

But getting more frequent of late.

 

It's not though, assuming the wikipedia article is accurate (and it's quite a well researched piece by all accounts) this decade has been no worse than the one before it and nowhere near as bad as the 90s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Great_Britain

 

I do take your point which is partly why I left an option to keep people in this country but detained. OK you can have a few bank robbers and criminal types roam free but allowing people who are happy to destroy kids complete freedom is perhaps taking things a bit far? And new age technology tends to overwhelm the court system.

In a global sense the death of a couple of dozen UK citizens on rare occasions is almost acceptable when similar numbers are killed on a daily basis, drowning, being bombed or just being starved to death.

What a mess the world in in. I find it very depressing especially when I think about my kids' future

David

 

please feel free to point out why we should abide by uk law ? when they clearly have no regard for it whatsoever ?

 

You want our government to abandon the rule of law?

I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong with that.

 

only for jihadi sand dogers

 

That's not how the law works I'm afraid.

 

 

also worth remembering the wonderful Martin Niemöller