Is the EU falling apart?
14 May 2017, 03:06 AM
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And here we find the very reason that immigration, Islamic terrorism and the rise of the right cannot be discussed. Because anyone with an opinion that differs from the far left is immediately a racist or a ****.
Whilst people like you stifle free speech and intend to shut down differing opinion those that disagree have no alternative but to seek solace in the right. They see a differing opinion in say, Tommy Robinson, britains first and are then ripe for indoctrination.
I merely stated that I didn't believe all Islamic terrorists work alone. But as it wasnt an extreme left opinion I was immediately branded by yourself and others as a racist.
Fortunately I can see through moronic ideologies like yours and the far right.
Whilst people like you stifle free speech and intend to shut down differing opinion those that disagree have no alternative but to seek solace in the right. They see a differing opinion in say, Tommy Robinson, britains first and are then ripe for indoctrination.
I merely stated that I didn't believe all Islamic terrorists work alone. But as it wasnt an extreme left opinion I was immediately branded by yourself and others as a racist.
Fortunately I can see through moronic ideologies like yours and the far right.
Britain First are not a product of the left, they are the second coming of the National Front. Most of their followers don't have the mental capacity to even understand the what's left or right, they are just knuckle dragging imbeciles.
I read your posts with increasing exasperation
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14 May 2017, 06:13 AM
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I think you should all stop ganging up on Kwik.. I know he doesn't do himself any favours sometimes with his obsession over muslim conspiracy theories but he does have some valid points.
I don't like the uncontrolled immigration either, and hold some views that might be considered borderline racist (despite having Afro Caribbean ancestry) as ding mentioned these views need to be taken on board and discussed otherwise people like Kwik that have similar concerns to myself will become frustrated and possibly more radical.... sound familiar.
I don't like the uncontrolled immigration either, and hold some views that might be considered borderline racist (despite having Afro Caribbean ancestry) as ding mentioned these views need to be taken on board and discussed otherwise people like Kwik that have similar concerns to myself will become frustrated and possibly more radical.... sound familiar.
14 May 2017, 07:05 AM
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The extremist left are more of a problem in the modern world than the extreme right. They are violent, work in packs and are portrayed as heroes/victims in the media. For a balanced view you'd have to look and consider the rights opinions and propaganda.
14 May 2017, 07:43 AM
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Not a single person, not one, ever stated that all extremists work alone, and yet you use this hopelessly argument to justify all the rest of your misguided muses.
Britain First are not a product of the left, they are the second coming of the National Front. Most of their followers don't have the mental capacity to even understand the what's left or right, they are just knuckle dragging imbeciles.
I read your posts with increasing exasperation
Britain First are not a product of the left, they are the second coming of the National Front. Most of their followers don't have the mental capacity to even understand the what's left or right, they are just knuckle dragging imbeciles.
I read your posts with increasing exasperation
The right only gains strength through the ignorance of the left. The French NF gained 3m votes because the left/centre refused to take note of the issues raised over the past 5 years.
And I'm sure I do annoy you and others. Flipping things on their head has that effect. Equality and racism are very interesting subjects and aren't talked about nearly enough.
As an example Martin I'd imagine a britains first member would dismiss a Muslim/immigrant as x, y and z without discussion due to the propaganda they have been exposed to. You have dismissed a group of people as 'knuckle dragging imbeciles' without ever actually spending any time reading what they have to say and have that opinion based on sound bites and propaganda you've seen about them.
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14 May 2017, 08:59 AM
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But there is also a much larger left wing media that propagate such things as 'immigration is wonderful and anyone who says different is racist'
14 May 2017, 09:17 AM
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14 May 2017, 10:50 AM
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There are 2 sides to every story. You have been talking about the media conspiracies for as long as I can remember. From what I recall you believe the media from the right propagate to hide 'what's really going on' in political corruption etc etc. I agree to a certain extent.
But there is also a much larger left wing media that propagate such things as 'immigration is wonderful and anyone who says different is racist'
But there is also a much larger left wing media that propagate such things as 'immigration is wonderful and anyone who says different is racist'
If there's no corruption in politics why do people spend 20/30 million to get a job that's worth in the region of 1.2 million cabinet included.
it always makes me smile when the retort to that question is political ideology 
yeah right... pull the other one it's got bells on it, it's nothing to do with power and making sure things go their way for a few years.
14 May 2017, 11:14 AM
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Well considering worldwide media is controlled/ owned by less than half a dozen people, I don't consider my views to be extreme or for it to be considered even slightly far fetched that a large proportion of what we see is based on their agendas.
If there's no corruption in politics why do people spend 20/30 million to get a job that's worth in the region of 1.2 million cabinet included. it always makes me smile when the retort to that question is political ideology yeah right... pull the other one it's got bells on it, it's nothing to do with power and making sure things go their way for a few years.
If there's no corruption in politics why do people spend 20/30 million to get a job that's worth in the region of 1.2 million cabinet included.
it always makes me smile when the retort to that question is political ideology yeah right... pull the other one it's got bells on it, it's nothing to do with power and making sure things go their way for a few years.The media has played a blinder with the EU referendum. All the talk over the past 11 months has been about how it happened rather than WHY it happened.
How it happened is apparently because people were thick, racist, Ill informed, knuckle draggers. 'An EU referendum tomorrow would bring a different result' No, no it wouldn't.
Why it happened hasn't sunk in yet almost a year later. Until people are open to really talk about the issues raised there won't be any change.
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14 May 2017, 11:38 AM
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You're reading about him in a media that he spends a lot of time attacking. Do you honestly think you'll gain a real grasp of what is actually happening?.
You read a headline quoting trump, I showed you the video the quote was meant to come from and after several attempts you realised he didn't actually say the words you quoted.
If that hasn't jogged you into thinking not everything you read is true then I'm not sure what will.
14 May 2017, 11:45 AM
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Just denying what's happening and screaming fake news does not help address the problem.
Kwik has a point about the rise of the 'far right' in France. We either acknowledge this and try and address the issues that push people to vote in this direction or we just stick our heads in the sand and deny it.
A significant proportion of the northern European indigenous population are very concerned about mass immigration and refugees.
This needs to be discussed openly and resolved, pretending it doesn't exist is not a solution
Kwik has a point about the rise of the 'far right' in France. We either acknowledge this and try and address the issues that push people to vote in this direction or we just stick our heads in the sand and deny it.
A significant proportion of the northern European indigenous population are very concerned about mass immigration and refugees.
This needs to be discussed openly and resolved, pretending it doesn't exist is not a solution
Yet the liberals and the left continue blindly supporting mass immigration.
Report out recently saying that for every 100 immigrants to the UK, 23.4 UK citizens LOST THEIR JOBS. Not failed to get a job that was taken by an immigrant, but were actually put out of work...you know, like my son and his mates when the Po's first started coming.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16484918
14 May 2017, 11:50 AM
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Britain First are not a product of the left, they are the second coming of the National Front. Most of their followers don't have the mental capacity to even understand the what's left or right, they are just knuckle dragging imbeciles.
First off, Britain first are around BECAUSE the left and the liberals won't discuss, but want to label, silence and if all else fails, physically attack, but at all costs, prevent the platform.
They are NOT stupid, but they ARE angry...and rightly so.
Your last comment does you no credit. Would you as quickly label the far left? I thought not...
14 May 2017, 12:02 PM
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This is the indication the small minded world in which you inhabit
the actual words are irrelevant its the thought process he wants to put out there , for the small minded people to pick up on ( you fell for it after all )
and trump comes up in almost everything you preach , since as you see it , the people have been vindicated
the actual words are irrelevant its the thought process he wants to put out there , for the small minded people to pick up on ( you fell for it after all )
and trump comes up in almost everything you preach , since as you see it , the people have been vindicated
14 May 2017, 12:11 PM
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This is the indication the small minded world in which you inhabit
the actual words are irrelevant its the thought process he wants to put out there , for the small minded people to pick up on ( you fell for it after all )
and trump comes up in almost everything you preach , since as you see it , the people have been vindicated
the actual words are irrelevant its the thought process he wants to put out there , for the small minded people to pick up on ( you fell for it after all )
and trump comes up in almost everything you preach , since as you see it , the people have been vindicated
I dont think its possible for someone to highlight the indoctrination of the left as much as you do.
14 May 2017, 02:18 PM
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No, Martin, wrong again.
First off, Britain first are around BECAUSE the left and the liberals won't discuss, but want to label, silence and if all else fails, physically attack, but at all costs, prevent the platform.
They are NOT stupid, but they ARE angry...and rightly so.
Your last comment does you no credit. Would you as quickly label the far left? I thought not...
First off, Britain first are around BECAUSE the left and the liberals won't discuss, but want to label, silence and if all else fails, physically attack, but at all costs, prevent the platform.
They are NOT stupid, but they ARE angry...and rightly so.
Your last comment does you no credit. Would you as quickly label the far left? I thought not...
They are knuckle dragging, lying racists. Don't believe me, go look at their website.
There have always been far right groups in this country, this just one of the more recent incarnations. Bugger all to with 'left liberals', which btw (and despite your best attempts to label me) I'm not.
I'm just a moderate who hates seeing the divisions that are opening up. Divisions you appear to revel in.
14 May 2017, 02:50 PM
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Constantly putting words in my mouth.
They are knuckle dragging, lying racists. Don't believe me, go look at their website.
There have always been far right groups in this country, this just one of the more recent incarnations. Bugger all to with 'left liberals', which btw (and despite your best attempts to label me) I'm not.
I'm just a moderate who hates seeing the divisions that are opening up. Divisions you appear to revel in.
They are knuckle dragging, lying racists. Don't believe me, go look at their website.
There have always been far right groups in this country, this just one of the more recent incarnations. Bugger all to with 'left liberals', which btw (and despite your best attempts to label me) I'm not.
I'm just a moderate who hates seeing the divisions that are opening up. Divisions you appear to revel in.
In the early days of me having Facebook I 'liked' something they put up and someone else had shared. I was warned within 24hrs by 2 separate people that my job could be at risk if they knew I 'liked' this page. I got rid of it.
The majority who feel mass immigration and multiculturalism doesn't work are oppressed into stifling their opinion. That doesn't mean they don't exist. They get frustrated they are not listened to or even allowed their own opinion. Along comes a group that shares the same opinion and they are taken with it.
The interviews, opinions, articles you read are of a differing opinion as people are afraid to speak out. Celebrities endorse the liberal view as it gains them popularity and the world is saturated with the same opinions.
Labour is meant to represent the working man. The working man wants out of the EU and stricter migration control, but the working man isn't allowed to say this out loud.
If Labour offered that they'd win the GE. So working men like me couldn't possibly vote Tory without vomiting blood but can't vote labour. You'll find a large percentage that voted Brexit are BF or tommy Robinson supporters because they aren't offered representation by the very party that's meant to represent them.
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14 May 2017, 02:56 PM
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Can I ask how much you view right wing media Martin?. I'm fairly sure you said you didn't do social media, britains first's Facebook page is actually moderate, there's more lefties waiting to pounce on there than there are right wing nut jobs.
In the early days of me having Facebook I 'liked' something they put up and someone else had shared. I was warned within 24hrs by 2 separate people that my job could be at risk if they knew I 'liked' this page. I got rid of it.
The majority who feel mass immigration and multiculturalism doesn't work are oppressed into stifling their opinion. That doesn't mean they don't exist. They get frustrated they are not listened to or even allowed their own opinion. Along comes a group that shares the same opinion and they are taken with it.
The interviews, opinions, articles you read are of a differing opinion as people are afraid to speak out. Celebrities endorse the liberal view as it gains them popularity and the world is saturated with the same opinions.
In the early days of me having Facebook I 'liked' something they put up and someone else had shared. I was warned within 24hrs by 2 separate people that my job could be at risk if they knew I 'liked' this page. I got rid of it.
The majority who feel mass immigration and multiculturalism doesn't work are oppressed into stifling their opinion. That doesn't mean they don't exist. They get frustrated they are not listened to or even allowed their own opinion. Along comes a group that shares the same opinion and they are taken with it.
The interviews, opinions, articles you read are of a differing opinion as people are afraid to speak out. Celebrities endorse the liberal view as it gains them popularity and the world is saturated with the same opinions.
If you think that BF are moderate then we really don't have much more to say to one another!
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14 May 2017, 03:02 PM
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The Britain first posts I see on my FB are nearly always racist (anti-Islam to be precise), fake news pieces. And yet people carry on liking and sharing them, without checking them out for themselves.
If you think that BF are moderate then we really don't have much more to say to one another!
If you think that BF are moderate then we really don't have much more to say to one another!
You'd actually need to click into them to view the comments on BF's page.
The things you see people sharing are eye catching, meant to draw people in, touch a nerve. And what you don't seem to get is they only appeal to people because they aren't given an alternative.
14 May 2017, 03:05 PM
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Now who's putting words into someone's mouths. The debates, comments etc are moderate, moderate to what you'd expect anyway. Especially if you look into the likes of libtard, dummycrat etc which are US right wing groups.
You'd actually need to click into them to view the comments on BF's page.
The things you see people sharing are eye catching, meant to draw people in, touch a nerve. And what you don't seem to get is they only appeal to people because they aren't given an alternative.
You'd actually need to click into them to view the comments on BF's page.
The things you see people sharing are eye catching, meant to draw people in, touch a nerve. And what you don't seem to get is they only appeal to people because they aren't given an alternative.
14 May 2017, 03:21 PM
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Constantly putting words in my mouth.
They are knuckle dragging, lying racists. Don't believe me, go look at their website.
There have always been far right groups in this country, this just one of the more recent incarnations. Bugger all to with 'left liberals', which btw (and despite your best attempts to label me) I'm not.
I'm just a moderate who hates seeing the divisions that are opening up. Divisions you appear to revel in.
They are knuckle dragging, lying racists. Don't believe me, go look at their website.
There have always been far right groups in this country, this just one of the more recent incarnations. Bugger all to with 'left liberals', which btw (and despite your best attempts to label me) I'm not.
I'm just a moderate who hates seeing the divisions that are opening up. Divisions you appear to revel in.
Yet you NEVER fail to slag off any slightly right wing views, and ALWAYS support liberal left-wing views.
Someone needs a reality check and it ain't us...matey....
14 May 2017, 03:23 PM
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Dont take my word for it. Click into Britains first FB site and read the comments, not what they've said to provoke a reaction but what people have said. The debates, the replies etc. Of course there's racist comments but possibly 1 in 20 comments.
To call them all knuckle draggers etc makes you as bad as some of them, stereotyping a person/group without really delving into it.
Then look into AntiFA, and the mindless violence they advocate. They were actually selling concealed knives on their website ffs. Look into Milo Yiannopoulos, read the comments put across on his FB site, kill this, kill that ****ing mental.
I imagine you'll just choose to bury your head in the sand instead.
To call them all knuckle draggers etc makes you as bad as some of them, stereotyping a person/group without really delving into it.
Then look into AntiFA, and the mindless violence they advocate. They were actually selling concealed knives on their website ffs. Look into Milo Yiannopoulos, read the comments put across on his FB site, kill this, kill that ****ing mental.
I imagine you'll just choose to bury your head in the sand instead.
14 May 2017, 03:23 PM
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Dont take my word for it. Click into Britains first FB site and read the comments, not what they've said to provoke a reaction but what people have said. The debates, the replies etc. Of course there's racist comments but possibly 1 in 20 comments.
To call them all knuckle draggers etc makes you as bad as some of them, stereotyping a person/group without really delving into it.
Then look into AntiFA, and the mindless violence they advocate. They were actually selling concealed knives on their website ffs. Look into Milo Yiannopoulos, read the comments put across on his FB site, kill this, kill that ****ing mental.
I imagine you'll just choose to bury your head in the sand instead.
To call them all knuckle draggers etc makes you as bad as some of them, stereotyping a person/group without really delving into it.
Then look into AntiFA, and the mindless violence they advocate. They were actually selling concealed knives on their website ffs. Look into Milo Yiannopoulos, read the comments put across on his FB site, kill this, kill that ****ing mental.
I imagine you'll just choose to bury your head in the sand instead.
