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26 April 2017, 07:20 PM
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I haven't spouted "crap" though have I, I've given my experience of his work after it's been checked by a well respected mechanic and mapper. The last bit of my post literally says that... Maybe he had an off day when he did mine, who knows, I'm not saying all his work is rubbish and I'm not saying the map on mine is completely rubbish, but it certainly seems to not be particularly great either.
26 April 2017, 08:00 PM
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I haven't spouted "crap" though have I, I've given my experience of his work after it's been checked by a well respected mechanic and mapper. The last bit of my post literally says that... Maybe he had an off day when he did mine, who knows, I'm not saying all his work is rubbish and I'm not saying the map on mine is completely rubbish, but it certainly seems to not be particularly great either.
26 April 2017, 08:37 PM
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Considering I have a folder full of receipts and invoices of when all the parts were fitted and when it was mapped, I'm pretty sure I have a good idea of when it was mapped in relation to the mods being done, i.e. it was mapped after they were done. I'll say it for the third time... I'm not slagging him or his work off, I'm giving my experience of what has been done with the map on my car, by him. There's a difference. I don't see why you're so bothered about that, unless you're Andy Carr in disguise... And it's hardly "all his work" it's the work on one car of many I imagine he has done, many of them are great I'm sure. Mine, and others here, clearly are not though.
27 April 2017, 07:18 AM
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1st time leaves pipe off 3port boost solenoid which he installed before mapping I go home car runs like ****e goes back to sort after over 3months wait
2nd time round after map car is still over boosting on full throttle!!
3rd time round!! went back FINALLY he sorted it thank god I sold the car same day..
Now the latest my jdm wide track....
Over boosting on full throttle when I got car from previous owner with receipts to prove it was his handy work etc etc as above gentleman describes tried contacting him for a tweek etc etc only to get fobbed off !! What a ****!!!!
now I use Ade tuning at Darwen he has all the time for his customers his own premises and knows what he's doing
27 April 2017, 07:36 AM
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He's not the only I've used him pal and he took my cash fast enough but the workmanship was poor and I'm being nice ....
1st time leaves pipe off 3port boost solenoid which he installed before mapping I go home car runs like ****e goes back to sort after over 3months wait
2nd time round after map car is still over boosting on full throttle!!
3rd time round!! went back FINALLY he sorted it thank god I sold the car same day..
Now the latest my jdm wide track....
Over boosting on full throttle when I got car from previous owner with receipts to prove it was his handy work etc etc as above gentleman describes tried contacting him for a tweek etc etc only to get fobbed off !! What a ****!!!!
now I use Ade tuning at Darwen he has all the time for his customers his own premises and knows what he's doing
1st time leaves pipe off 3port boost solenoid which he installed before mapping I go home car runs like ****e goes back to sort after over 3months wait
2nd time round after map car is still over boosting on full throttle!!
3rd time round!! went back FINALLY he sorted it thank god I sold the car same day..
Now the latest my jdm wide track....
Over boosting on full throttle when I got car from previous owner with receipts to prove it was his handy work etc etc as above gentleman describes tried contacting him for a tweek etc etc only to get fobbed off !! What a ****!!!!
now I use Ade tuning at Darwen he has all the time for his customers his own premises and knows what he's doing
27 April 2017, 08:04 AM
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Not that I like making negative points about anybody but the truth is the truth and sometimes bitter
If he did a good job first time round I wouldn't have had such a bad mapping experience and no bitter words for him
So how many times do you have to get messed around before one qualifies to have enough experience to slag him off bud....
They day I cross paths with him I'll say the exact same to his face if he's not on his high horse that I guarantee you
27 April 2017, 08:24 AM
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So getting my car mapped off him not for free and certeinly no favours and then being messed about like that doesn't give me enough experience to slag him off ???
Not that I like making negative points about anybody but the truth is the truth and sometimes bitter
If he did a good job first time round I wouldn't have had such a bad mapping experience and no bitter words for him
So how many times do you have to get messed around before one qualifies to have enough experience to slag him off bud....
They day I cross paths with him I'll say the exact same to his face if he's not on his high horse that I guarantee you
Not that I like making negative points about anybody but the truth is the truth and sometimes bitter
If he did a good job first time round I wouldn't have had such a bad mapping experience and no bitter words for him
So how many times do you have to get messed around before one qualifies to have enough experience to slag him off bud....
They day I cross paths with him I'll say the exact same to his face if he's not on his high horse that I guarantee you
27 April 2017, 08:56 AM
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Not clear cut though, very difficult.
Even though Andy Carr screwed my first map up but rushing through it on a busy day, after MUCH chasing and stress on my part he did eventually go out of his way to meet me in his own time and fix it for me. As a person I think he's a very nice guy indeed and have no doubt whatsoever that he knows what he's doing with his maps and have no doubt he's created some excellent maps for cars. As is human nature, everyone makes mistakes occasionally.
My only gripe is that he's a victim of his own success and now too busy to contact properly and respond to customers needs correctly all the time.
There is a very good chance Dav that your car didn't leave Andy's hands running 1.6 bar of boost and with the issues it now has. He normally maps to lower safer levels than this on standard engines in my experience. As already said, you just don't know what's happened with the car by the hands of the previous owner, other garages or part failure/wear since Andy mapped it. Anything could be going on there.
Even following my (poor) experience I'd use Andy again, just because I'd want someone like him with a proven track record to map my pride and joy. Also certainly wouldn't hesitate using Rich @ FB over and over again. Truly honest and top guy.
Even though Andy Carr screwed my first map up but rushing through it on a busy day, after MUCH chasing and stress on my part he did eventually go out of his way to meet me in his own time and fix it for me. As a person I think he's a very nice guy indeed and have no doubt whatsoever that he knows what he's doing with his maps and have no doubt he's created some excellent maps for cars. As is human nature, everyone makes mistakes occasionally.
My only gripe is that he's a victim of his own success and now too busy to contact properly and respond to customers needs correctly all the time.
There is a very good chance Dav that your car didn't leave Andy's hands running 1.6 bar of boost and with the issues it now has. He normally maps to lower safer levels than this on standard engines in my experience. As already said, you just don't know what's happened with the car by the hands of the previous owner, other garages or part failure/wear since Andy mapped it. Anything could be going on there.
Even following my (poor) experience I'd use Andy again, just because I'd want someone like him with a proven track record to map my pride and joy. Also certainly wouldn't hesitate using Rich @ FB over and over again. Truly honest and top guy.
27 April 2017, 10:32 AM
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I've used TeamCarr for a few years and several different cars from V5 STi R to a couple of FSTi and a few Newage STi (JDMs) and can honestly say never had an issue. Andrew has always been happy to advise and if somethings not right he wont map it or will tell you (I had bought a modded newage forged running approx 450bhp according to previous owner) I got it mapped / checked by Andrew and he noted a few issues during mapping which were then sorted via the guys at Richard Henry and then mapped again. I was more than happy..
Also as mentioned from MY experience he also maps on the safer side so wouldnt compromise reliablity by chasing big numbers / hgh boost settings.
Raf
Also as mentioned from MY experience he also maps on the safer side so wouldnt compromise reliablity by chasing big numbers / hgh boost settings.
Raf
27 April 2017, 11:35 AM
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27 April 2017, 01:41 PM
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How much power are you after ?
There are some decent uprated TMIC out there, I'm running a Grimmspeed with an SC46 on a 2.1 @ 442hp/390ftlb. Process West offer a few choices too along with Mishimoto. As long as you monitor ACT and get it mapped to compensate for high ACT you're all good let your ecu do the worrying so you don't have to
Getting a good seal between the scoop splitter and face of the TMIC is key to forcing air through the core instead of it flowing over the top and down the sides, a bigger scoop obviously helps with more airflow but not everyone wants a huge scoop. I still have standard STi v5/6 scoop at the moment, I do have a Bug STi scoop that's 1cm taller that I need to paint and fit.
FMIC do have benefits over a TMIC for the right applications, but for a UK road car with standard location turbo and less than 500hp I'd go TMIC all the time.
There are some decent uprated TMIC out there, I'm running a Grimmspeed with an SC46 on a 2.1 @ 442hp/390ftlb. Process West offer a few choices too along with Mishimoto. As long as you monitor ACT and get it mapped to compensate for high ACT you're all good
let your ecu do the worrying so you don't have to Getting a good seal between the scoop splitter and face of the TMIC is key to forcing air through the core instead of it flowing over the top and down the sides, a bigger scoop obviously helps with more airflow but not everyone wants a huge scoop. I still have standard STi v5/6 scoop at the moment, I do have a Bug STi scoop that's 1cm taller that I need to paint and fit.
FMIC do have benefits over a TMIC for the right applications, but for a UK road car with standard location turbo and less than 500hp I'd go TMIC all the time.
24 May 2017, 10:36 PM
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Well finally I got the car back up to Andy today at TEG, here is my experience, the first map felt a little rushed and had another waiting to go straight in after me there were only about 5 runs on the dyno, the map never felt great and had fuel cut issues which made it an utter pig to drive and made me question the conditon of the engine I was left with. took a little while to get booked in again and to hear from him. Today went back to him and from the origional post in this thread I have put on Pierburg 3 port with pill removed, STI TMIC, and a Perrin induction with silicone intake. Now this is where andy redeemed himself in my eyes, I believe I was the only one booked in today, he diagnosed a few issues from the previous map or overfuelling due to adding the induction kit. spent alot longer on the dyno, I think in all it was close to two hours runtime and he did twice as many runs on the dyno. he put alot of effort adjusting the timing and what not to achieve the best out of it. Final result was 340.9bhp. The boost comes on harder and it holds boost for longer giving a much more usable powerband. finally most importantly its not hitting the fuel cut, I tried as much as I could on the way home to make it cut and throw up an EML light, i learnt where and when it would do it and on half throttle to full boost I could make it cut. I think hes nailed it this time round. fuel cut was set at 1.6bar on first map so leaves a few questions regarding overboosting. but now its just so much nicer to drive. ill post up the graphs now. I would still certainly recommend him, nice chap, knows his stuff. Red line on results is todays and blue line was last remap.
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25 May 2017, 12:10 AM
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not quite 350
sti top mount defo standard air box with green or k&n panel filter then forge waste gate actuator- give it more torque , check injector flow or size if there yellow 440s might be holding u off 20 - 30 bhp also the ambient air temperatures at moment have been warmer... this is short term thankfully.
most get that water sprayer fitted to my fmic.
most get that water sprayer fitted to my fmic.
25 May 2017, 07:41 AM
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Well finally I got the car back up to Andy today at TEG, here is my experience, the first map felt a little rushed and had another waiting to go straight in after me there were only about 5 runs on the dyno, the map never felt great and had fuel cut issues which made it an utter pig to drive and made me question the conditon of the engine I was left with. took a little while to get booked in again and to hear from him. Today went back to him and from the origional post in this thread I have put on Pierburg 3 port with pill removed, STI TMIC, and a Perrin induction with silicone intake. Now this is where andy redeemed himself in my eyes, I believe I was the only one booked in today, he diagnosed a few issues from the previous map or overfuelling due to adding the induction kit. spent alot longer on the dyno, I think in all it was close to two hours runtime and he did twice as many runs on the dyno. he put alot of effort adjusting the timing and what not to achieve the best out of it. Final result was 340.9bhp. The boost comes on harder and it holds boost for longer giving a much more usable powerband. finally most importantly its not hitting the fuel cut, I tried as much as I could on the way home to make it cut and throw up an EML light, i learnt where and when it would do it and on half throttle to full boost I could make it cut. I think hes nailed it this time round. fuel cut was set at 1.6bar on first map so leaves a few questions regarding overboosting. but now its just so much nicer to drive. ill post up the graphs now. I would still certainly recommend him, nice chap, knows his stuff. Red line on results is todays and blue line was last remap.
glad you got it sorted pal mine took 3 years!!!! Before I got mine dealt with
25 May 2017, 10:25 AM
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sti top mount defo standard air box with green or k&n panel filter then forge waste gate actuator- give it more torque , check injector flow or size if there yellow 440s might be holding u off 20 - 30 bhp also the ambient air temperatures at moment have been warmer... this is short term thankfully. most get that water sprayer fitted to my fmic.
most get that water sprayer fitted to my fmic.Hawk WRX has 550 injectors as standard.