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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
yes worth a read


it is a good article
I will, Hodgy. I surely will.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 09:37 PM
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good for you TH

if the rest of the population took the trouble to look into these things we would not be in the **** state we are in
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 09:38 PM
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I'm guessing some of the people posting in this thread don't really follow the tech press that closely. It's only just a few years ago that a bunch of saddoes with nothing better to do came very close to making the Internet all but unusable for large parts of the globe, if not completely breaking it.

You can't take anything for granted.
But it didn't break the net, it just slowed it down, this whole conversation is about if the net could potentially be wiped out completely. The simple answer is no it can't. The net is people, people will always find a way. If there was a major hack or disaster the net would be back up much quicker than we think.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 09:38 PM
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Looks like they eventualy caught up with the guy (or one of them) behind the SpamHaus attack, and let him off rather lightly IMO. If it was down to me he'd have got 2400 hours, and his fingers firmly slammed in a heavy drawer.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 09:41 PM
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Oh.

I do get the gist, though. What you are saying is that the Millenium bug was not a hoax, most pcs were patched for protection, media hype made it sound like a much bigger world seizing threat than it really was, and of course, unpatched pcs were effected. Understood.

Now, say if we have no warning, and a far worse post-Trump bug gets created by some Aspie whizkid that targets main servers, can't that take the whole thing down, because nothing will be patched beforehand? How can we rule out that it will NEVER happen? I mean, such a bug that it absolutely corrupts the servers, settelites ad well as your pcs- obviously.
Assuming these satellites could somehow be taken down (which would really require military action, so VERY unlikely) there's still the potential for single packet radios, a form of packet-switching technology that's used to transmit digital data via radio or wireless links. If enough people have access to these devices, and each unit is within range of at least one other packet radio, there will still be internet.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 09:47 PM
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a DDOS attack on the internet DNS servers could do some temp damage

that's why I have memorised most of WWW IP addresses - you can never be too careful [nod nod wink wink]

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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 09:50 PM
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Yep but mosquito bites in the grand scheme of things.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
good for you TH

if the rest of the population took the trouble to look into these things we would not be in the **** state we are in
Just skimmed through it (I'll read it again for sure) and the opposing view supports what you said that it was a total con; in terms of the overestimation of the predicted damage.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
Just skimmed through it (I'll read it again for sure) and the opposing view supports what you said that it was a total con; in terms of the overestimation of the predicted damage.
there was a problem - undoubtedly

just not a $400 billion problem
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
But it didn't break the net, it just slowed it down, this whole conversation is about if the net could potentially be wiped out completely. The simple answer is no it can't. The net is people, people will always find a way. If there was a major hack or disaster the net would be back up much quicker than we think.
Hm. So, the major destruction of internet is possible, but not the extinction, as long as the people on the earth exist. Of course they have be interested in internet, or they won't bother. Fact is, everybody is interested in internet. So, it will never die permanently. Ok.

Amazing thing this internet is, then. Immortal as long as the life is; on this earth. there's a saying that whatever is created can be destroyed. That's applicable to internet as well, but it can be revived damn quickly, and that's amazing.

So, this Scoobynet will only shut down and die if Stuart pulls the plug. Otherwise, it can die, but can be revived, because it's mother platform i.e. internet will never seize to exist, I suppose. We may have to re-register and start all over again, though. I'll miss my enormous post count.

Digital footprint is also an amazing one. What you say on internet can always be retrieved, even if you delete it. Is that true? Is that what we call it? Digital foot print?
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
there was a problem - undoubtedly

just not a $400 billion problem
Sure.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 10:27 PM
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# ...Like the first mooor-ning #

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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
Digital footprint is also an amazing one. What you say on internet can always be retrieved, even if you delete it. Is that true? Is that what we call it? Digital foot print?
Yep it's definitely possible. You could cancel bank accounts, credit cards, social media a/c's etc etc. But most people have no idea how many databases are storing and sharing their information on any given day. Hundreds of servers whether it’s financial information, whether it’s credit information etc.

So simply deleting your social media accounts, email, credit cards and other online banking isn’t enough. Much of your personal information that has been online is likely to stay there. Entities called information aggregators make their living by collecting, sharing and selling the personal information they’re able to collect from online transactions and other sources.

A cyber security firm could quite easily search on your history from the above sources and find you. Scary right?
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
Yep it's definitely possible. You could cancel bank accounts, credit cards, social media a/c's etc etc. But most people have no idea how many databases are storing and sharing their information on any given day. Hundreds of servers whether it’s financial information, whether it’s credit information etc.

So simply deleting your social media accounts, email, credit cards and other online banking isn’t enough. Much of your personal information that has been online is likely to stay there. Entities called information aggregators make their living by collecting, sharing and selling the personal information they’re able to collect from online transactions and other sources.

A cyber security firm could quite easily search on your history from the above sources and find you. Scary right?
Well, I did an information course on it about four years ago. It was from the angle of ensuring the service user's confidentiality. Not really scary as I've known it since then. If they find you, they find you. If you've done nothing dodgy, then there's no point losing your sleep over being found.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 11:09 PM
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In the same light of your #73, I've noticed that whenever I've searched for, say, shoes, or even mentioned the word 'shoes' anywhere like here, the ads of such start popping up straight away under my post. I don't think others see them, but I certainly do. Same thing happens on Facebook. It shows how fast the data gathering is taking place and as a result, you're getting hounded; like several cats after one pathetic rat!
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 11:11 PM
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I know i don't care personally, but your question was, could deleted information about yourself be retrieved. The answer is absolutely.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 11:11 PM
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By the way, I think I see those pestering ads here only when I'm logged out. I see them of FB when I'm logged in. They're splattered all over my feed! Very annoying.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 11:13 PM
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Get an ad blocker for your web browser.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
I know i don't care personally, but your question was, could deleted information about yourself be retrieved. The answer is absolutely.
Thanks for confirming that, Bio. Goes to show that the internet ('the' as a collective) has us by our ballixes!
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
Get an ad blocker for your web browser.
I bet an ad blocker will also have some life owning sneaky characteristics.

I will, though. Each time you get something of internet, you (have to) give more of you out to them fcckers! But there we are; caught by our ballixes. No running away from it.
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Old Nov 11, 2016 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
No it wasn't bull, it's just that virtually all PC's were already "patched" for the bug. It was more the media hype that made it out to be something that could be disastrous.
True.I was working for a high end computer company then & they & the customers spent a lot of time & money before Y2K testing & bug fixing.
Was a nice little earner as we were on-call for any problems at an exorbitant rate because of the fear that it would all go t*ts up.

Nothing happened.
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This thread is like watching a teen explain computers to his nan
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Old Nov 11, 2016 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pimmo2000
This thread is like watching a teen explain computers to his nan
Very good!

Good morning, SNetters! Have a good day, peeps.
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Old Nov 11, 2016 | 10:31 AM
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This thread is like watching a teen explain computers to his nan
harsh but fair.
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Old Nov 11, 2016 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
harsh but fair.
Funny but not sure if it's fair, to be fair. Not because I mind being anyone's nan. I'm quite affectionate so I can become everyone's nan here, if you like. Makes me think that I'm going to be dead good nan when my kids have kids. Anyway, it's because Pimmo himself wasn't that wise, was he? You had to enlighten him that internet never goes extinct. So, it was like a teenager teaching a nan and another 5-yr old.

I've enjoyed this thread. Some good points clarified which many youngsters and middle-aged wouldn't know; let alone nan or a grandad.
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Yes Pimmo is very much like a 5yr old
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Old Nov 11, 2016 | 05:06 PM
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#facebookisawful
What are your reasons to say that?

I ask so, because some people that moan about Facebook are the ones who go there with a wrong expectation. They think it's a dating site, whereas it's a social media site. Some say- "Oh yeah! I'm so fccking great that I pull left, right and in centre on the Facebook!". Good for them, but when they get dumped, they go crying to other sites like this one; slagging the Facebook off.

That's one reason^ I've sussed what makes people call Facebook awful.

Another reason, their faithful partners end up meeting other more attractive (to them) people there, and run off with them. Well, that's the state of your relationship or your devotion to the wrong person (who does not really love you) to blame, not the Facebook. Next day you'd blame the road outside your house because your next partner met another person there and ran off with them. Come on.

For me, I think the Facebook is awful because it looks terribly messy and invasive, and it's too public. Messy with the messy format and some utter garbage feed, and invasive with asking you to write what's on your mind. But all these three things can be managed- a) by blocking the garbage feed, b) by not telling people what you have on your mind. You can choose to remain silent, or talk when required. Facebook doesn't force you to sign in, talk shyte on it or anything and finally, c) Don't connect with every Tom, D7ck or Harry there- simple. No one will kill you, if you don't.

On the plus, Facebook can be quite educational and informative; with the diversity you find there. Its great with connecting and re-connecting people! I reconnected with some fantastic people I worked with; in 2009-2011. I haven't seen them since then. I look forward to meeting with one of them next weekend.

I met another person a couple of weeks ago who I worked with, in 2002-2004. She re-kindled her contact with me via Facebook. It was great to exchange our experiences and revive our past memories.

Facebook is a tool. It all depends what you do with it. If you use it for right reasons, you won't feel that it's downright awful. If you misuse it and expect miracles from it, then it's not the platform but you to blame.

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Those people were the reason I came off..and the fact that all people talked about was what they had for breakfast and how wonderful there marriage is, then the next week they hate him/her. I only lasted 6mths on there
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Those people were the reason I came off..and the fact that all people talked about was what they had for breakfast and how wonderful there marriage is, then the next week they hate him/her. I only lasted 6mths on there
Right. Not so stimulating with some decent conversations, then. Yes, that's true. Not very often you'd find people talking something different than usual daily life miseries and happinesses there. But if you have decent contacts, they may spark up some cerebral convo, you know. Mind you, sometimes, even in such threads over there, if you say something contrary to the inlaid sentiment, some may make you feel like a weirdo for that. Not long ago I did call Facebook an @rse kissing exercise for that reason.

Anyway, one can survive it, get the goodness out of it and ignore all the bull$h1t there.
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