So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
22 November 2016, 09:40 PM
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My grandfather, Captain FJRH Pengilly RM, fought to defeat National Socialism during WW2. He was paid for it, but I know the war was just and that his intent was noble. Hitler didn't like mixed race men, Ditch. That's something for you to think about.
22 November 2016, 09:41 PM
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Because we have/had one of the higher tarrifs, whilst our industries have been funded to move to other EU countries that pays no tariff.
Without the UK how would our finances and industries be used to stabilise other, weaker economies?.
If our tarrif was required, will the tarrifs of other EU countries now rise? Will countries that previously haven't paid tariffs now have to start?.
Are EU members now not only expected to not only stop or restrict imports to/from the UK but pay higher tariffs?
Perhaps we should have been offered different terms under the same tariff.
Perhaps the EU should have realised that if a major player was considering a move out of the EU that their terms were outdated and needed adjusting. Not just for us, but for everyone.
In a blind panic some are considering what being out of the EU will mean. But forgetting the EU without the UK will not be rosy for those left in. They are holding their cards to their chest and in reality have more chance of other member states leaving if they don't cut us a favourable deal than if they did.
Without the UK how would our finances and industries be used to stabilise other, weaker economies?.
If our tarrif was required, will the tarrifs of other EU countries now rise? Will countries that previously haven't paid tariffs now have to start?.
Are EU members now not only expected to not only stop or restrict imports to/from the UK but pay higher tariffs?
Perhaps we should have been offered different terms under the same tariff.
Perhaps the EU should have realised that if a major player was considering a move out of the EU that their terms were outdated and needed adjusting. Not just for us, but for everyone.
In a blind panic some are considering what being out of the EU will mean. But forgetting the EU without the UK will not be rosy for those left in. They are holding their cards to their chest and in reality have more chance of other member states leaving if they don't cut us a favourable deal than if they did.
Firstly, the additional costs to the EU when the UK leaves is the UK's net contribution, so about 120M a week. The EU has heard the Brexit message loud and clear and they will make some efficiency improvements, they can also reduce regional development budgets, subsidies such as to the farming or fishing industries or scientific research. Finally, any additional shortfall would have to be met by the 27 remaining states, but don't think that the remaining members will loose too much sleep over it as they will also be calculating in the benefits to their own economies as inward investments from the UK are spread accross the remaining block and many EU companies who currently import from the UK will start buying from the remaining companies rather than paying the increased costs due to tariffs on goods from non EU members.
Firstly, while the Automotive industly is hugely important to Germany, it is by no means dependend on it. Germany as a whole can quite easily take a hit from lost car sales to the UK. The hit that VW is currently taking as a result of the emissions scandal pales any lost UK sales into insignificance and Germany is doing absolutely nothing to support VW!
The next point that brexiters are completely missing is just because there are tariffs in place, it doesn't mean that companies are no longer allowed to sell in the UK. German car manufacturers will continue to sell there cars to UK customers. The tariffs will mean that prices might go up a little, or maybe profits will be reduced, but the cars will still be on sale. Generally, the people who currently buy German cars in the UK, buy them primarily for their quality and image and not for value for money. You could easily hike the price and the majority of customers will still buy because the price is not the deciding factor for them. The German car industry will likely see only a small reduction of sales if any!
People who buy BMWs and Mercedes are going to start buying Kia's instead!
Probably of more concern is the French car industry and Fiat who's customers are much more price savvy and are likely to loose sales to cheaper Korean manufacturers. Also don't forget the UK has no significant domestic manufacturers - All car manufacturing in the UK is owned by foreign companies who may (note I say may not will!) choose to shift manufacturing to the EU to keep their access to the single market.
Trust me, I live in Germany and nobody here is concerned about lost car sales or increased EU membership fees. They are far more interested in the increased sales potentials with one of the big players out of the way and grabbing financial services from London. Nobody thinking they need the UK, its more what they can gain without the UK!
Once again, as I previously said, I don't solely blame the Daily Mail, they are one of many populist media outlets that have continually blames the EU for every problem going! Why do you keep missing the point? If you haven't read the Daily Mail, you should! Its important to read a variety of news sources whether you agree with them or not, only then you can make an informed judgement! I have read the Daily Mail and the Guardian, BBC News, Sky News, The FT (English and German editions), Frnakfurter Algemein, Sud Deutsche Zeitung and many others.
22 November 2016, 09:49 PM
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In an increasingly uncertain word you'd better hope that you never have to rely on the soldiers you so despise to save your sorry @rse. Should your current hideyhole be overrun you'll be obliged to wag a 'Do not rescue me' flag or risk losing what credibility you still possess. That would be fun to watch, there are plenty of big talkers like you until the bullets start flying. 
so yes pal when death comes knocking I'll open the door with a smile on my face.
22 November 2016, 10:02 PM
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Should I be as pedantic as you and point out that the UK doesn't pay any tariffs to the EU because that's the whole point of having a free trade area, or should I be tollerant and accept you're talking about the membership fees.
Firstly, the additional costs to the EU when the UK leaves is the UK's net contribution, so about 120M a week. The EU has heard the Brexit message loud and clear and they will make some efficiency improvements, they can also reduce regional development budgets, subsidies such as to the farming or fishing industries or scientific research. Finally, any additional shortfall would have to be met by the 27 remaining states, but don't think that the remaining members will loose too much sleep over it as they will also be calculating in the benefits to their own economies as inward investments from the UK are spread accross the remaining block and many EU companies who currently import from the UK will start buying from the remaining companies rather than paying the increased costs due to tariffs on goods from non EU members.
This is such a pathetic argument that keeps getting regurgitated by the Brexit clan!
Firstly, while the Automotive industly is hugely important to Germany, it is by no means dependend on it. Germany as a whole can quite easily take a hit from lost car sales to the UK. The hit that VW is currently taking as a result of the emissions scandal pales any lost UK sales into insignificance and Germany is doing absolutely nothing to support VW!
The next point that brexiters are completely missing is just because there are tariffs in place, it doesn't mean that companies are no longer allowed to sell in the UK. German car manufacturers will continue to sell there cars to UK customers. The tariffs will mean that prices might go up a little, or maybe profits will be reduced, but the cars will still be on sale. Generally, the people who currently buy German cars in the UK, buy them primarily for their quality and image and not for value for money. You could easily hike the price and the majority of customers will still buy because the price is not the deciding factor for them. The German car industry will likely see only a small reduction of sales if any!
People who buy BMWs and Mercedes are going to start buying Kia's instead!
Probably of more concern is the French car industry and Fiat who's customers are much more price savvy and are likely to loose sales to cheaper Korean manufacturers. Also don't forget the UK has no significant domestic manufacturers - All car manufacturing in the UK is owned by foreign companies who may (note I say may not will!) choose to shift manufacturing to the EU to keep their access to the single market.
Trust me, I live in Germany and nobody here is concerned about lost car sales or increased EU membership fees. They are far more interested in the increased sales potentials with one of the big players out of the way and grabbing financial services from London. Nobody thinking they need the UK, its more what they can gain without the UK!
I didn't ask why you voted out, I asked what exactly has the EU done that ****'s you (or anyone else) over? Again you've avoided the question! Should I assume you have no answer or do you just fancy yourself as a politician?
Once again, as I previously said, I don't solely blame the Daily Mail, they are one of many populist media outlets that have continually blames the EU for every problem going! Why do you keep missing the point? If you haven't read the Daily Mail, you should! Its important to read a variety of news sources whether you agree with them or not, only then you can make an informed judgement! I have read the Daily Mail and the Guardian, BBC News, Sky News, The FT (English and German editions), Frnakfurter Algemein, Sud Deutsche Zeitung and many others.
Firstly, the additional costs to the EU when the UK leaves is the UK's net contribution, so about 120M a week. The EU has heard the Brexit message loud and clear and they will make some efficiency improvements, they can also reduce regional development budgets, subsidies such as to the farming or fishing industries or scientific research. Finally, any additional shortfall would have to be met by the 27 remaining states, but don't think that the remaining members will loose too much sleep over it as they will also be calculating in the benefits to their own economies as inward investments from the UK are spread accross the remaining block and many EU companies who currently import from the UK will start buying from the remaining companies rather than paying the increased costs due to tariffs on goods from non EU members.
This is such a pathetic argument that keeps getting regurgitated by the Brexit clan!
Firstly, while the Automotive industly is hugely important to Germany, it is by no means dependend on it. Germany as a whole can quite easily take a hit from lost car sales to the UK. The hit that VW is currently taking as a result of the emissions scandal pales any lost UK sales into insignificance and Germany is doing absolutely nothing to support VW!
The next point that brexiters are completely missing is just because there are tariffs in place, it doesn't mean that companies are no longer allowed to sell in the UK. German car manufacturers will continue to sell there cars to UK customers. The tariffs will mean that prices might go up a little, or maybe profits will be reduced, but the cars will still be on sale. Generally, the people who currently buy German cars in the UK, buy them primarily for their quality and image and not for value for money. You could easily hike the price and the majority of customers will still buy because the price is not the deciding factor for them. The German car industry will likely see only a small reduction of sales if any!
People who buy BMWs and Mercedes are going to start buying Kia's instead!
Probably of more concern is the French car industry and Fiat who's customers are much more price savvy and are likely to loose sales to cheaper Korean manufacturers. Also don't forget the UK has no significant domestic manufacturers - All car manufacturing in the UK is owned by foreign companies who may (note I say may not will!) choose to shift manufacturing to the EU to keep their access to the single market.
Trust me, I live in Germany and nobody here is concerned about lost car sales or increased EU membership fees. They are far more interested in the increased sales potentials with one of the big players out of the way and grabbing financial services from London. Nobody thinking they need the UK, its more what they can gain without the UK!
I didn't ask why you voted out, I asked what exactly has the EU done that ****'s you (or anyone else) over? Again you've avoided the question! Should I assume you have no answer or do you just fancy yourself as a politician?
Once again, as I previously said, I don't solely blame the Daily Mail, they are one of many populist media outlets that have continually blames the EU for every problem going! Why do you keep missing the point? If you haven't read the Daily Mail, you should! Its important to read a variety of news sources whether you agree with them or not, only then you can make an informed judgement! I have read the Daily Mail and the Guardian, BBC News, Sky News, The FT (English and German editions), Frnakfurter Algemein, Sud Deutsche Zeitung and many others.
22 November 2016, 10:06 PM
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Dude I grew up in shotingham, Hyson green, Radford, STAnns , Meadows, Bullwell, Broxtowe, bullets are nothing new to me :lol1 I worked doors on Manchesters Moss side at the light house when 100 Gooch crew rushed the door only two of us stood firm, many many times my ***** have been called upon, I DON'T RUN, PROVEN!!! so yes pal when death comes knocking I'll open the door with a smile on my face.
so yes pal when death comes knocking I'll open the door with a smile on my face. That's very commendable. You risked everything working the doors for little reward, while out of harm's way the the business owners were coining it. That's just the civilian version of exactly what you've been railing against, or hasn't that dawned on you?
22 November 2016, 10:08 PM
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He didn't have a choice, like so many others he was conscripted, cannon fodder destined to die at the hands of others much like himself, yet there are those on both sides that believe their cause to have been a just one. I don't care what Hitler thought of mixed race people as you call them, and for the record, we are all mixed race if your Adam and Eve story is to be believed, oh and guess what, even if you don't believe that, we are still all mixed race no matter what angle you come at it from
he was a nasty piece of work as is George Bush, Tony Blair, Saddam Hussain, and many many others throughout history.Bad people do bad things, it's the rest of us that determine just how bad we allow them to be.
22 November 2016, 10:24 PM
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Nope I didn't even do it for money, the best friend I have in this world was the promoter and he stood there with me, I had the guest list and the bouncers that ran inside were supposed to be bad asses
I'm not against you, you can't be blamed for your social conditioning being successful, but as the reasonably intelligent adult that you have become since signing on the dotted line surly you are able to understand what it is that i'm telling you, at least to some very small degree.
I get that to do so makes a bit of a mockery of some of what you and others have done, but having the strenth to admit that shows that you've at least come of age, something that those that have actually stared their own mortality in the face and stood their ground despite their fear should be able to understand.
22 November 2016, 10:37 PM
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Lol, Boris Johnson using the spectre of Turkey joining the EU as a cynical scare tactic
Now campaigning for them to join the EU
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-eu-despite/
The Europeans must thing we are such a bunch of cvnts
Now campaigning for them to join the EU
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-eu-despite/
The Europeans must thing we are such a bunch of cvnts
22 November 2016, 10:41 PM
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22 November 2016, 10:49 PM
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Thats all very well, but bravado isn't going to help you and your friends when faced with a weapons trained army/insurgents/terrorists etc armed with grenades and automatic weapons! That's what our soldiers are for.
That's what our soldiers are for.
22 November 2016, 10:58 PM
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Lol, Boris Johnson using the spectre of Turkey joining the EU as a cynical scare tactic
Now campaigning for them to join the EU
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-eu-despite/
The Europeans must thing we are such a bunch of cvnts
Now campaigning for them to join the EU
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-eu-despite/
The Europeans must thing we are such a bunch of cvnts
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22 November 2016, 11:37 PM
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Yep my grandad died there too, took my mum to see his grave there a few years back in france, thousands dead at the whim of one man or maybe two He didn't have a choice, like so many others he was conscripted, cannon fodder destined to die at the hands of others much like himself, yet there are those on both sides that believe their cause to have been a just one.
I don't care what Hitler thought of mixed race people as you call them, and for the record, we are all mixed race if your Adam and Eve story is to be believed, oh and guess what, even if you don't believe that, we are still all mixed race no matter what angle you come at it from he was a nasty piece of work as is George Bush, Tony Blair, Saddam Hussain, and many many others throughout history.
Bad people do bad things, it's the rest of us that determine just how bad we allow them to be.
He didn't have a choice, like so many others he was conscripted, cannon fodder destined to die at the hands of others much like himself, yet there are those on both sides that believe their cause to have been a just one. I don't care what Hitler thought of mixed race people as you call them, and for the record, we are all mixed race if your Adam and Eve story is to be believed, oh and guess what, even if you don't believe that, we are still all mixed race no matter what angle you come at it from
he was a nasty piece of work as is George Bush, Tony Blair, Saddam Hussain, and many many others throughout history.Bad people do bad things, it's the rest of us that determine just how bad we allow them to be.
You are coming across as a bit unhinged here
It is utterly ridiculous and twisted to compare our armed services to members of ISIS, it's also ludicrous to compare Tony Blair to Saddam Hussein.
You clearly have an interesting perspective on things, but these comparisons do you no favours at all.
22 November 2016, 11:59 PM
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Lol, Boris Johnson using the spectre of Turkey joining the EU as a cynical scare tactic
Now campaigning for them to join the EU
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-eu-despite/
The Europeans must thing we are such a bunch of cvnts
Now campaigning for them to join the EU
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-eu-despite/
The Europeans must thing we are such a bunch of cvnts
23 November 2016, 04:14 AM
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The reality is, I'm not going to do anything, my friends aren't either because we will be on different sides of Europe, I nor you will be faced with insurgents or terrorists the terrorists are your Government and populist news outlets scaring everyone into hysteria of the nasty men so that they can control and maintain the status quo and the governments on the other side do the same thing, then they give frightened men a gun and say you need to go over there and shoot at those other frightened men because they are bad people, we dress our frightened men in uniforms train them to kill and call them soldiers, they do the same but we call them terrorists.
If all the frightened men stopped joining the army and stopped shooting at each other there would be no war.
And you'll notice when the nasty men do put their guns down and say ok lets be friends (USSR) we find a new nasty man that used to be our friend and drop some bombs on him and his peeps because he's apparently a nasty man.
But hey yeah nasty, nasty people those dodgy ******* that keep blowing things up.
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23 November 2016, 04:19 AM
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You are coming across as a bit unhinged here
It is utterly ridiculous and twisted to compare our armed services to members of ISIS, it's also ludicrous to compare Tony Blair to Saddam Hussein.
You clearly have an interesting perspective on things, but these comparisons do you no favours at all.
It is utterly ridiculous and twisted to compare our armed services to members of ISIS, it's also ludicrous to compare Tony Blair to Saddam Hussein.
You clearly have an interesting perspective on things, but these comparisons do you no favours at all.
But FYI from my point of view it's people like you and the world we live in that swallow this and perpetuate it that are as you put it "UN hinged"
23 November 2016, 04:43 AM
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We are conditioned to believe they are mental religious fanatics,(which some of them are) and they threaten our way of life, they are conditioned to believe we are infadels (which some of us are ) and threaten their way of life.
Someone puts an idea in their head and sends them off with a gun.
Who am I talking about?
) and threaten their way of life.Someone puts an idea in their head and sends them off with a gun.
Who am I talking about?
23 November 2016, 05:58 AM
#379
Lol you don't even know the right words to use. There are no tarriffs in a free market - that's the whole point of it. Perhaps you are referring to our contributions to the EU budget? (which, unlike other members, we get a substantial rebate on). You obviously have zero understanding of basic economics. I've called you out on your statement that the EU has the slowest growth in the world 3 times now, with no response. It's a lie, not true, wrong. I've also asked what the EU has done to you to **** you over, again no response. Really can't take anything you say seriously. And yet you contributed to this unholy mess by voting leave when you clearly don't actually understand anything about it. Not a clue.
After the so called rebates the U.K. Paid £8bn into the EU in 2015.
23 November 2016, 06:07 AM
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I think Kwik is probably quite a sincere and decent bloke, but like most of the population on these issues, he's out of his depth. He thinks high street furniture retailers import their goods from Europe, not the Far East. The guy doesn't realise that when the cost of imports go up, the cost of products go up and so does inflation and so the man in the street becomes poorer in real terms. Kwik's been hoodwinked and doesn't realise it. At least his depot is doing well.
The man on the street is poor, that's why they've voted for change.
The man on the street isn't panicking, it's the middle classes like Ditch, people that control media stations, people in government.
The man on the street voted for change. What don't you get about that?
23 November 2016, 08:42 AM
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You included, nobody is or was informed. I'm not sure how intellectual snobbery works on issues nobody has all the facts about lol.
The man on the street is poor, that's why they've voted for change.
The man on the street isn't panicking, it's the middle classes like Ditch, people that control media stations, people in government.
The man on the street voted for change. What don't you get about that?
The man on the street is poor, that's why they've voted for change.
The man on the street isn't panicking, it's the middle classes like Ditch, people that control media stations, people in government.
The man on the street voted for change. What don't you get about that?
to answer your bold - you listen too and take advice from the experts
and you weigh up the consensus to come to a conclusion
that's why when you go to hospital to see all those elitist doctors and surgeons (who have spent years and years studying at all those elitist universities) form a diagnosis and treatment pathway,
they will give you an overwhelming consensus on what is wrong and how to treat it
you don't then go to the one, in some back street quack shop who says "drink some herbal tea" - don't trust those "experts"
it is a system that has got humanity quite along way,
but you see it as intellectual snobbery {sigh}
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect
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23 November 2016, 08:54 AM
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You included, nobody is or was informed. I'm not sure how intellectual snobbery works on issues nobody has all the facts about lol.
The man on the street is poor, that's why they've voted for change.
The man on the street isn't panicking, it's the middle classes like Ditch, people that control media stations, people in government.
The man on the street voted for change. What don't you get about that?
The man on the street is poor, that's why they've voted for change.
The man on the street isn't panicking, it's the middle classes like Ditch, people that control media stations, people in government.
The man on the street voted for change. What don't you get about that?
23 November 2016, 08:56 AM
#383
Should I be as pedantic as you and point out that the UK doesn't pay any tariffs to the EU because that's the whole point of having a free trade area, or should I be tollerant and accept you're talking about the membership fees.
Firstly, the additional costs to the EU when the UK leaves is the UK's net contribution, so about 120M a week. The EU has heard the Brexit message loud and clear and they will make some efficiency improvements, they can also reduce regional development budgets, subsidies such as to the farming or fishing industries or scientific research. Finally, any additional shortfall would have to be met by the 27 remaining states, but don't think that the remaining members will loose too much sleep over it as they will also be calculating in the benefits to their own economies as inward investments from the UK are spread accross the remaining block and many EU companies who currently import from the UK will start buying from the remaining companies rather than paying the increased costs due to tariffs on goods from non EU members.
This is such a pathetic argument that keeps getting regurgitated by the Brexit clan!
Firstly, while the Automotive industly is hugely important to Germany, it is by no means dependend on it. Germany as a whole can quite easily take a hit from lost car sales to the UK. The hit that VW is currently taking as a result of the emissions scandal pales any lost UK sales into insignificance and Germany is doing absolutely nothing to support VW!
The next point that brexiters are completely missing is just because there are tariffs in place, it doesn't mean that companies are no longer allowed to sell in the UK. German car manufacturers will continue to sell there cars to UK customers. The tariffs will mean that prices might go up a little, or maybe profits will be reduced, but the cars will still be on sale. Generally, the people who currently buy German cars in the UK, buy them primarily for their quality and image and not for value for money. You could easily hike the price and the majority of customers will still buy because the price is not the deciding factor for them. The German car industry will likely see only a small reduction of sales if any!
People who buy BMWs and Mercedes are going to start buying Kia's instead!
Probably of more concern is the French car industry and Fiat who's customers are much more price savvy and are likely to loose sales to cheaper Korean manufacturers. Also don't forget the UK has no significant domestic manufacturers - All car manufacturing in the UK is owned by foreign companies who may (note I say may not will!) choose to shift manufacturing to the EU to keep their access to the single market.
Trust me, I live in Germany and nobody here is concerned about lost car sales or increased EU membership fees. They are far more interested in the increased sales potentials with one of the big players out of the way and grabbing financial services from London. Nobody thinking they need the UK, its more what they can gain without the UK!
I didn't ask why you voted out, I asked what exactly has the EU done that ****'s you (or anyone else) over? Again you've avoided the question! Should I assume you have no answer or do you just fancy yourself as a politician?
Once again, as I previously said, I don't solely blame the Daily Mail, they are one of many populist media outlets that have continually blames the EU for every problem going! Why do you keep missing the point? If you haven't read the Daily Mail, you should! Its important to read a variety of news sources whether you agree with them or not, only then you can make an informed judgement! I have read the Daily Mail and the Guardian, BBC News, Sky News, The FT (English and German editions), Frnakfurter Algemein, Sud Deutsche Zeitung and many others.
Firstly, the additional costs to the EU when the UK leaves is the UK's net contribution, so about 120M a week. The EU has heard the Brexit message loud and clear and they will make some efficiency improvements, they can also reduce regional development budgets, subsidies such as to the farming or fishing industries or scientific research. Finally, any additional shortfall would have to be met by the 27 remaining states, but don't think that the remaining members will loose too much sleep over it as they will also be calculating in the benefits to their own economies as inward investments from the UK are spread accross the remaining block and many EU companies who currently import from the UK will start buying from the remaining companies rather than paying the increased costs due to tariffs on goods from non EU members.
This is such a pathetic argument that keeps getting regurgitated by the Brexit clan!
Firstly, while the Automotive industly is hugely important to Germany, it is by no means dependend on it. Germany as a whole can quite easily take a hit from lost car sales to the UK. The hit that VW is currently taking as a result of the emissions scandal pales any lost UK sales into insignificance and Germany is doing absolutely nothing to support VW!
The next point that brexiters are completely missing is just because there are tariffs in place, it doesn't mean that companies are no longer allowed to sell in the UK. German car manufacturers will continue to sell there cars to UK customers. The tariffs will mean that prices might go up a little, or maybe profits will be reduced, but the cars will still be on sale. Generally, the people who currently buy German cars in the UK, buy them primarily for their quality and image and not for value for money. You could easily hike the price and the majority of customers will still buy because the price is not the deciding factor for them. The German car industry will likely see only a small reduction of sales if any!
People who buy BMWs and Mercedes are going to start buying Kia's instead!
Probably of more concern is the French car industry and Fiat who's customers are much more price savvy and are likely to loose sales to cheaper Korean manufacturers. Also don't forget the UK has no significant domestic manufacturers - All car manufacturing in the UK is owned by foreign companies who may (note I say may not will!) choose to shift manufacturing to the EU to keep their access to the single market.
Trust me, I live in Germany and nobody here is concerned about lost car sales or increased EU membership fees. They are far more interested in the increased sales potentials with one of the big players out of the way and grabbing financial services from London. Nobody thinking they need the UK, its more what they can gain without the UK!
I didn't ask why you voted out, I asked what exactly has the EU done that ****'s you (or anyone else) over? Again you've avoided the question! Should I assume you have no answer or do you just fancy yourself as a politician?
Once again, as I previously said, I don't solely blame the Daily Mail, they are one of many populist media outlets that have continually blames the EU for every problem going! Why do you keep missing the point? If you haven't read the Daily Mail, you should! Its important to read a variety of news sources whether you agree with them or not, only then you can make an informed judgement! I have read the Daily Mail and the Guardian, BBC News, Sky News, The FT (English and German editions), Frnakfurter Algemein, Sud Deutsche Zeitung and many others.
WTF is going on,....... a coherent and well written response on scoobynet!
23 November 2016, 09:05 AM
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What about your ill-informed statement that the EU is the slowest growing economy in the world? And I've never said anything about the Daily Mail? But yes, you are ill informed. And yet again, for the third time of asking, what has the EU done to **** you over?
23 November 2016, 09:11 AM
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You included, nobody is or was informed. I'm not sure how intellectual snobbery works on issues nobody has all the facts about lol.
The man on the street is poor, that's why they've voted for change.
The man on the street isn't panicking, it's the middle classes like Ditch, people that control media stations, people in government.
The man on the street voted for change. What don't you get about that?
The man on the street is poor, that's why they've voted for change.
The man on the street isn't panicking, it's the middle classes like Ditch, people that control media stations, people in government.
The man on the street voted for change. What don't you get about that?
23 November 2016, 10:01 AM
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I'm perfectly hinged mate thank you very much for your concern and the pigeon hole you'd like to put me in so as to be able to dismiss anything I say.
But FYI from my point of view it's people like you and the world we live in that swallow this and perpetuate it that are as you put it "UN hinged"
But FYI from my point of view it's people like you and the world we live in that swallow this and perpetuate it that are as you put it "UN hinged"
Lucky for us then, we have someone as all seeing and wise as you to point out where we are all getting things so wrong
23 November 2016, 10:42 AM
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Well, the UK govt has made enough pedantic laws and rules of its own, and some of the laws you have complained about in previous threads have been shown to be UK, not EU.
Also, whilst I accept not everyone likes all the EU laws, a lot of the ones paraded by Brexiters have been shown to be untrue.
