So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
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No matter what else happens, that alone has made my day
There was some idiot on Question Time last night who was upset as we had "voted to leave the EU and stop paying all this money". Obviously he didn't read the question on that ballot paper......
It's perfectly valid to leave the EU and continue to pay for the access we have now, under the terms of the referendum as it was posed.
Is it mostly people who cannot read who voted Leave?
There was some idiot on Question Time last night who was upset as we had "voted to leave the EU and stop paying all this money". Obviously he didn't read the question on that ballot paper......
It's perfectly valid to leave the EU and continue to pay for the access we have now, under the terms of the referendum as it was posed.
Is it mostly people who cannot read who voted Leave?
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I think this is an unhelpful way of phrasing it tbh (although I am sure quite a few in the EU/Europe just want us to fvck off - we has a special deal inside the EU and now seem to want a special deal outside)
TH EU is a rules based institution - which is needed to create a SM
what the EU through Barnier have constantly said is that we can't have the benefits i.e. frictionless trade with the EU without abiding by the regulations
here is the text of his speech he made yesterday - as a precursorr to what May will say today
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release...17-3404_en.htm
the crucial bit is here where he says
"At midnight on 29 March 2019, the United Kingdom will leave the European Union and will become a third country. This is the UK's sovereign decision. It must be respected."
the concept of a "third country" has a specific legal meaning and if you don't know the implications of what it means I suggest you look it up
and this is the crunch bit
"We have been a Global Europe for quite some time now.
We have trade deals with 60 countries with whom we trade goods and services, whilst respecting our social, environmental, data protection and food safety standards.
And we will continue to do so: with Canada and Japan, with Mexico and Mercosur, soon with Australia and New Zealand, as President Juncker announced in his speech last week.
We will obviously continue to trade with the United Kingdom.
The future trade deal with the United Kingdom will be particular, as it will be less about building convergence, and more about controlling future divergence. This is key to establishing fair competition.
Naturally, if the United Kingdom wanted to go further than the type of free trade agreement we have just signed with Canada, there are other models on the table.
For example, Norway and Iceland have chosen to be in the Single Market, to accept the rules, and to contribute financially to cohesion policy.
But one thing is sure: it is not – and will not – be possible for a third country to have the same benefits as the Norwegian model but the limited obligations of the Canadian model.
And naturally, any agreement must respect the regulatory autonomy of the EU, as well as the integrity of its legal order."
which is shorthand for no Cherrypicking - on which they have been 100% consistent
what the EU know and seemingly our pathetic politicians do not is that a "no deal" is simply not an option for the UK
and that any deal WILL be worse than the one we currently have
The EU are not punishing us - we are doing a pretty good job ourselves
TH EU is a rules based institution - which is needed to create a SM
what the EU through Barnier have constantly said is that we can't have the benefits i.e. frictionless trade with the EU without abiding by the regulations
here is the text of his speech he made yesterday - as a precursorr to what May will say today
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release...17-3404_en.htm
the crucial bit is here where he says
"At midnight on 29 March 2019, the United Kingdom will leave the European Union and will become a third country. This is the UK's sovereign decision. It must be respected."
the concept of a "third country" has a specific legal meaning and if you don't know the implications of what it means I suggest you look it up
and this is the crunch bit
"We have been a Global Europe for quite some time now.
We have trade deals with 60 countries with whom we trade goods and services, whilst respecting our social, environmental, data protection and food safety standards.
And we will continue to do so: with Canada and Japan, with Mexico and Mercosur, soon with Australia and New Zealand, as President Juncker announced in his speech last week.
We will obviously continue to trade with the United Kingdom.
The future trade deal with the United Kingdom will be particular, as it will be less about building convergence, and more about controlling future divergence. This is key to establishing fair competition.
Naturally, if the United Kingdom wanted to go further than the type of free trade agreement we have just signed with Canada, there are other models on the table.
For example, Norway and Iceland have chosen to be in the Single Market, to accept the rules, and to contribute financially to cohesion policy.
But one thing is sure: it is not – and will not – be possible for a third country to have the same benefits as the Norwegian model but the limited obligations of the Canadian model.
And naturally, any agreement must respect the regulatory autonomy of the EU, as well as the integrity of its legal order."
which is shorthand for no Cherrypicking - on which they have been 100% consistent
what the EU know and seemingly our pathetic politicians do not is that a "no deal" is simply not an option for the UK
and that any deal WILL be worse than the one we currently have
The EU are not punishing us - we are doing a pretty good job ourselves
You have the old cronies pushing ahead with a united state of Europe and closer ties, without a care in the world.
So looks more and more likely a no deal will be the outcome. BMW have already said it will cost 10k jobs in german so its gonna hit the EU just as hard.
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Oh good grief........
There was some idiot on Question Time last night who was upset as we had "voted to leave the EU and stop paying all this money". Obviously he didn't read the question on that ballot paper......
It's perfectly valid to leave the EU and continue to pay for the access we have now, under the terms of the referendum as it was posed.
Is it mostly people who cannot read who voted Leave?
It's perfectly valid to leave the EU and continue to pay for the access we have now, under the terms of the referendum as it was posed.
Is it mostly people who cannot read who voted Leave?
#1655
What was the question on the ballot paper? If you're struggling, here's a reminder for you.....
Will we be a member of the EU after March 2019, whether we pay them or not?
Can you speak for everyone who voted Leave on why they voted that way?
I can't wait for your non answer and accusation of lies, followed by lots of laughing faces to show how right you are.........
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Oh pray, do tell what lies?
What was the question on the ballot paper? If you're struggling, here's a reminder for you.....
Will we be a member of the EU after March 2019, whether we pay them or not?
Can you speak for everyone who voted Leave on why they voted that way?
I can't wait for your non answer and accusation of lies, followed by lots of laughing faces to show how right you are.........
What was the question on the ballot paper? If you're struggling, here's a reminder for you.....
Will we be a member of the EU after March 2019, whether we pay them or not?
Can you speak for everyone who voted Leave on why they voted that way?
I can't wait for your non answer and accusation of lies, followed by lots of laughing faces to show how right you are.........
Is it mostly people who cannot read who voted Leave?
And as I said, if you are unable to argue without resorting to insults, you no longer deserve and answer.
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I think that the NI/Eire border conundrum could well put an end to Brexit with a bit of Irish luck.
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I see Moodys (spelling?) don' rate Brexit very highly.......
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I see Moodys (spelling?) don' rate Brexit very highly.......
#1665
I have not offered you an opinion to discuss, they were pointed questions that required definitive answers. The fact you choose to hide behind some mock indignation speaks volumes.
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So you don't think that saying that all Brexit voters can't read, is a lie?
Of course there was ONE question...which seems to be something you remainers can't get your heads round.
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So just goes to show how in touch you lefties are - here's a dose of reality - CDU/CSU (Merkels party) - lowest share of the vote since 1949. SPD, 20% - lowest since 1945.
Afd - 13.5% - far ahead of expected showing (unprecedented for a party that is only 5 years old), enough to be the first far-right party in German parliament since WW2.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ter-late-surge
In the former East Germany, Afd actually polled enough to be the second largest party, with 21.5%.
Like I've said before, you liberals (intolerant to anyone who doesn't share your opinions) are your own worst enemies.
All this is occurring on a backdrop of a strong global economy.. which is built on the biggest debt bubble in history. When that goes pop just watch the surge in support for the far right. You reap what you sow.
Afd - 13.5% - far ahead of expected showing (unprecedented for a party that is only 5 years old), enough to be the first far-right party in German parliament since WW2.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ter-late-surge
In the former East Germany, Afd actually polled enough to be the second largest party, with 21.5%.
Like I've said before, you liberals (intolerant to anyone who doesn't share your opinions) are your own worst enemies.
All this is occurring on a backdrop of a strong global economy.. which is built on the biggest debt bubble in history. When that goes pop just watch the surge in support for the far right. You reap what you sow.
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So just goes to show how in touch you lefties are - here's a dose of reality - CDU/CSU (Merkels party) - lowest share of the vote since 1949. SPD, 20% - lowest since 1945.
Afd - 13.5% - far ahead of expected showing (unprecedented for a party that is only 5 years old), enough to be the first far-right party in German parliament since WW2.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ter-late-surge
In the former East Germany, Afd actually polled enough to be the second largest party, with 21.5%.
Like I've said before, you liberals (intolerant to anyone who doesn't share your opinions) are your own worst enemies.
All this is occurring on a backdrop of a strong global economy.. which is built on the biggest debt bubble in history. When that goes pop just watch the surge in support for the far right. You reap what you sow.
Afd - 13.5% - far ahead of expected showing (unprecedented for a party that is only 5 years old), enough to be the first far-right party in German parliament since WW2.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ter-late-surge
In the former East Germany, Afd actually polled enough to be the second largest party, with 21.5%.
Like I've said before, you liberals (intolerant to anyone who doesn't share your opinions) are your own worst enemies.
All this is occurring on a backdrop of a strong global economy.. which is built on the biggest debt bubble in history. When that goes pop just watch the surge in support for the far right. You reap what you sow.
Change the record Pete.
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What a post regards the German election, shortly after the exit polls are released?
I know, lots of facts as per usual.
You mean 'please step in line with the scoobynet liberal snowflakes, as we don't like alternative opinions in our safe space'?!..
The contents are entirely predictable too.
Change the record Pete.
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The only 'facts' in your post were the election results, everything else was just your neo-con opinions
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#1673
That's double standards, old chap.
As for the pointed questions, which you have still avoided, here they are again
What was the question on the ballot paper? If you're struggling, here's a reminder for you.....
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...e88ccf4ea4.jpg
Will we be a member of the EU after March 2019, whether we pay them or not?
Can you speak for everyone who voted Leave on why they voted that way?
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...e88ccf4ea4.jpg
Will we be a member of the EU after March 2019, whether we pay them or not?
Can you speak for everyone who voted Leave on why they voted that way?
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We know what the question on the ballot paper was...what's your point? Do you even have one???
Yes.
No
satisfied?
Quite apart from the amazing disappearing act you lot have pulled with the £350 million a week, the ONLY one I'm interested in is that you asserted that all who voted to leave cannot read.
THAT lie.
#1677
No, because Brexiteer simply implies you voted Brexit. Remoan implies that a personality trait.
Now if I said Wrexiteer.......
Not really, as the question was posed because someone had said they voted to leave the EU and stop paying all that money. Clearly that is not what was voted for.
The other question was whether you know what all the voters voted for? I'm sure there were plenty of people who voted leave simply for immigration. Some for control.
I personally know people who wanted to remain but voted leave because of concerns over immigration. Things are never quite as clear cut as you think they are. I am also sure there are people who probably voted remain whilst being distinctly uncomfortable with the EU as it stands but recognised the benefits and hoped to change it.
What is clear, is that we have a terrible mess, Leave or Remain, but the situation could be managed better.
Who has disappeared it? If you mean that it was pointed out that as a result of Brexit we would not have £350million extra a week at our disposal, then please explain why that is a lie.
We never had £350 million extra to spend. As hodgy pointed out, if you spend £5 on a newspaper and get £4 change to spend as you wish, the paper didn't cost you £5!
As for 'THAT lie', what I actually posted was
So I didn't even assert that all people who voted leave cannot read
Kind of ironic considering you say I said........
Now if I said Wrexiteer.......
The other question was whether you know what all the voters voted for? I'm sure there were plenty of people who voted leave simply for immigration. Some for control.
I personally know people who wanted to remain but voted leave because of concerns over immigration. Things are never quite as clear cut as you think they are. I am also sure there are people who probably voted remain whilst being distinctly uncomfortable with the EU as it stands but recognised the benefits and hoped to change it.
What is clear, is that we have a terrible mess, Leave or Remain, but the situation could be managed better.
We never had £350 million extra to spend. As hodgy pointed out, if you spend £5 on a newspaper and get £4 change to spend as you wish, the paper didn't cost you £5!
As for 'THAT lie', what I actually posted was
Is it mostly people who cannot read who voted Leave?
Kind of ironic considering you say I said........
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And by the way, a slightly sarcastic rhetorical question, i.e "Is it mostly people who cannot read who voted Leave?" is not an assertion, it's a question. How the hell can a question be a lie?
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Leaving aside the irony of "how can a question be a lie", (remember the remoan outrage at "Let's spend it on the NHS instead", a suggestion, not a promise), I cannot get my head round why your lot seem to be able to just wave, airily and say, "It was only £234 million a week....".
Please explain?
Please explain?