IdonthaveaScooby

Doesnt brexit mean more shipping from pacific ridge ( seperately ) from shipping to EU

more dangerous particluates , just great for global warming ,

then again if its not on your doorstep it dont matter


The new trainline all the way from China sounds good , if we wernt an Island Nation

Wurzel

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Because they get paid to much in dole and other benefits to sit on their ar5e5 at home.

^Qwerty^

And as per above, you tend to get treated like ****, so those people who do actually want to work in life will find something else to do if they can.

Wurzel

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We have a train line in a tunnel to France.

andy97

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My new bike is coming via Silk rail into the UK, right across Russia, through Europe. 😁

IdonthaveaScooby

Hydrogen powered ?

andy97

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Nope Ebike MTB

BMWhere?

Not buying British then

IdonthaveaScooby

What marque is the bike ??

andy97

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There are no British Ebikes. Ive got a kit of parts sourced from Alibaba. Its the equivalent to the best German ebikes(Reise Muller), with more torque, larger batteries and way less than half the cost

IdonthaveaScooby

The Mind boggles ….

Still , can’t be feathering the nest of the fatherland eh

Wurzel

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Getcha wallets out Britain as the EU wants wonga off you for leaving the club with paying your subs

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-di...mated-12352388

BMWhere?

The settlement price was negotiated in Euros rather than Pounds. I think they were depending on the pound strengthening after the Brexit deal and therefore the bill being somewhat lower.

Unfortunately the deal was cack and the pound has failed to recover, so now they're left with a much bigger bill than they were counting on, so there goes another big chunk of that so called Brexit dividend - it may be a while before they "fund the NHS instead"

BMWhere?

Oh Dear, they negotiated a bad deal and now they want to renegotiate it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-57911148
So much for project fear, seems the remoaners were right about NI all along!

Still, at least Brexit has stopped all those illegals crossing the channel.... oh wait...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57916659
...no, we just stopped the nice people coming over legally, those mucky illegals are coming over more than ever and now we're paying France to try and stop them - I'm sure that will fix the problem!

Still, at least we got blue passports!

markjmd

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On the plus side, the illegals who make it over now will either be excellent swimmers, or highly talented oarsmen and navigators. That's our Olympic squad sorted for 2024-2032

IdonthaveaScooby

I think its more world class long distance runners we need -

running for cover from pritis hostile environment !

BMWhere?

ALi-B

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Can't say I had any supply/stock issues on my weekly shop.


Ireland has issue though, so I'm told.

BMWhere?

From what I've been hearing, it depends heavily on which supermarket you go to and which region of the country you are in. Some supermarkets are well stocked, some are spreading what they have over more shelves to give the impression they are well stocked and others have empty or half empty shelves!

Problems in NI have been largely resolved as they have adjusted supply chains via RI/EU to avoid border problems from the UK mainland. RI has never had a supply problem!

The UKs new immigration policy of blocking low and semi skilled workers from coming in is causing massive labour problems, particularly for farm labourers, hospitality and of course truck drivers! The bigots got the Brexit they wanted, but no Brits are willing to do the jobs to replace the immigrants!

Wurzel

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Another BREXIT success story.

https://news.sky.com/story/vodafone-...urope-12377238

IdonthaveaScooby

‘ unfair on punters that never intend to stop off this island….”

what a load cack

Wurzel

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You have to admire the governments shear pigheadedness to prove Brexit is a working

https://news.sky.com/story/bringing-...rtage-12377823

Mr Fuji

IdonthaveaScooby

Back to getting passport pages littered with stamps from across the water

old fogees proudly displaying their newly acquired Tory blue ones too

ALi-B

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​​​​​​​Bad choice to use an Allegro as an analogy of Brexit as that was actually a successful export market car for British Leyland (considering the state it was in and the cars offered vs. competition).

The common myth that few Allegros were exported is actually because Longbridge focussed on UK destined cars. Export market cars were mostly manufactured in Belgium at Leyland's overseas factory in Saneffe. Of those cars manufactured further were exported as knock down kits globally for assembly is their intended market. That included Italy, Portugal and Malta, south east Asia and New Zealand.

Obviously this was also in part to avoid export tarrifs. But despite entry to the EEC Leyland remained committed to Saneffe as it remained logistically advantageous and also was immune to strikes/supply issues within the UK that crippled Longbridge and Speke etc. But rationalisation and cuts and tariff-free trade meant Saneffe would eventually close.

By the end of its life one third of all Allegros made were exports. Not bad for what is seen as a joke on wheels.

What of Longbridge? It's now just a small out of town retail park, houses and wasteland. There is zero trace of what existed there as are the component suppliers such as Lucas and more recently GKN under the mercy of Melrose. Like a lot of UK manufacturers such as ICI, GEC and Pilkingtons; Gone, asset stripped after takeovers by the big conglomerates such as Eaton, Siemens, or Federal, intellectual property taken or production moved overseas. When you see so much go and disappear it's hard to rationalise who is to blame for all of it. And if the multinationals, where is the money now flowing when it's no longer a UK concern?

When HS2 demolished the old Wolseley factory with its impressive art-deco frontage, part of me wonders if it was to intentionally wipe out all history of what once existed so future generations won't know what industries existed here. Like a lot lost industries in the UK; Coal, steel, textile, ceramics, shipbuilding etc. Massive local changes occurred when it left; Most Brexiteers I know of are embittered primarily for the recession of industries in their area blaming it on politicians (both Labour abs Tory), I can't say I totally agree with them but younger generations have different opinions because they are unable to empathise with them, like those who live in areas only served by other sectors (financial, services etc) and without the relics of what is lost they many never get to truly know. What MPs or MEPs could have done will remain to be a long story of what ifs...

Allegro analogy; The wheels were left loose because of shoddy workmanship, MPs were meant to tighten the wheel nuts, but the EU agreed to legislate left handed threads. As such when tightened, they became looser.

IdonthaveaScooby

I can’t say Iv ever come across an allegro abroad in those places , or anywhere else

BMWhere?

Had a good laugh the other day at all the Brexiteers complaining the EU is punishing us with a £6 "visa" charge to travel to the EU.

Funny because the UK fully supported and voted for the legislation of the new ETIAS system before Brexit was even a thing and remoaners including myself warned about the charge becoming applicable if we leave!

But no, the EU is punitively punishing us for leaving! Sorry Brexiteers, its time to stop blaming the EU for everything, we've left, all the problems are the UKs fault!

ALi-B

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Should have visited Malta in the '90s then as it was still heaving with 70's British cars when I was there!

https://www.guidememalta.com/en/malt...own-in-the-80s



Export production was mainly between 1974 to 1981. Which coincided with ramping up production at Seneffe until its closure in '81. A lot more export models were made than its replacement; The Maestro, which technically was a better car than the Allegro when pitched against its competitors. If anything, this should be the car in the poster, as it never really got anywhere outside of the UK despite the efforts to create a genuinely competitive product.



Placating Uk unions/militant workers, misguided management and the political climate ensured that Seneffe was doomed;...it was planned for all Allegros to be produced entirely at Saneffe so Longbridge could focus on the Mini (Minis were also made at Saneffe) and it's replacement (To be the Metro, but ended up being produced simultaneously), this meant that Longbridge didn't have capacity to meet the demand. And making the very same car in multiple places is not necessarily cost efficient, but any sign of transferring production overseas was treated with hostility by militants that existed both with BL's workforce as well as politicians, union reps and journalists.



It has to be said Belgium's deindustrialisation that resulted in the closure of lots of factories (Belgium being a hub for car assembly) decimating areas in a similar way to what UK towns in the North and Midlands suffered. It would be interesting to talk to Belgium folk that lived and worked the the area before and during the de-industrialisation; I bet a lot of parallels could be made to the UK's former industrial towns and cities.



Reminants of BL's Seneffe operations remain; The sign is still there on google street view (before and after):







https://goo.gl/maps/6Sdd1Ebn3nRbw6QV9



As said earlier...a historical reminder of what once was here. Remove it and future generations will forget what we used to do. When that sign is gone everyone younger will assume Leyland just existed in the UK and forget its operations in Europe and the former colonies.



It's easy to foolishly to knock and ridicule because of a square steering wheel (that wasn't fitted on export models). I could rip apart modem cars for many many stupid things (like the location of the adblu filler and size of the neck meaning the spillage of pi*s in inevitable), then try to be a smart **** by blaming it on Greta. But that's the same blinkered view as shown by the poster maker that oozes immaturity of the actuality; Because without that industry existing what would have been there instead? The complexities aren't just a black/white issue attributed to our interactions in the EU.



The fact that all that replaced Longbridge is houses and chain retailer outlets suggests not alot at all! And Seneffe is just mostly empty warehouse space up for rent. What if we never joined the EEC? (and the ERM that disasterously followed) Would the Seneffe plant have survived? (albeit probably not making Allegros, but maybe another marque).

IdonthaveaScooby

Yeah , and Thatch was an environmentalist , foresaw global warming when she closed down the mines !

Dr Hu

Never knew that about Seneffe Ali-B - interesting stuff - I hadn't realised that BL even had a plant in Belgium
I can understand why the militant UK unions would had been frothing at the mouth about that - hahahaha

There obviously was a plan to de-industrialise large parts of the 'richer' EU areas in a move to 'Services' - maybe they thought they were doing us a favour, all that dirty metal bashing, and digging underground - lets get the poorer areas of the EU to do it - thay'll be glad of it - they were probably right in a way - can you see some of the metrosexual snowflakes working in a Car Plant or down a Mine now
Can't help but think that getting rid of all industry was good idea though, looking back.