So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
21 April 2021, 07:56 AM
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So anyone with Juncker that if he campaigned for the remain camp in the referendum the result would have been any different?
Thought thus summed it up: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...rexit-delusion
(Take note at the dig at corporate lobbying; Something not isolated to just Cameron and the Tories).
Thought thus summed it up: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...rexit-delusion
(Take note at the dig at corporate lobbying; Something not isolated to just Cameron and the Tories).
21 April 2021, 08:20 AM
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So anyone with Juncker that if he campaigned for the remain camp in the referendum the result would have been any different?
Thought thus summed it up: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...rexit-delusion
(Take note at the dig at corporate lobbying; Something not isolated to just Cameron and the Tories).
Thought thus summed it up: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...rexit-delusion
(Take note at the dig at corporate lobbying; Something not isolated to just Cameron and the Tories).
If he really wanted to swing the vote for remain, he should have backed the leave camp
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22 April 2021, 09:44 AM
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Bear in mind it's a magazine opinion piece and not a newspaper report. For sakes of balance I would pull something off the New Statesman, but they are strangely quiet on Juncker's recent comments.
If you are going to mention media bias, it's important to stress here that The Spectator is mostly opinionative journalism and it's quite plain about that, it's irrelevant that it's right or left bias because the columnists write their opinions, and like arseholes, everyone has one. In contrast to the Guardian or the BBC that often uses loaded wording in factual journalism and mixes it with opinionative reporting, with the latter doing it on the very same page; Also noted on their TV news when employing talking heads and mislabelling them as members of the public in a role relevant to the topic when actually they're political activists (FWIW $ky has been caught doing the same).
22 April 2021, 09:54 AM
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Not a chance! Junker was such a hate figure for Breixteers, his involvement would only have strengthened their views. He would more than likely convinced even more people to vote leave, so Cameron was probably right to tell him to stay out of it!
Would have been interesting if Junker had got behind the leave campaign though, it may have convinced some Brexiteers to vote remain just to spite Junker
Would have been interesting if Junker had got behind the leave campaign though, it may have convinced some Brexiteers to vote remain just to spite Junker
22 April 2021, 10:41 AM
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Not a chance! Junker was such a hate figure for Breixteers, his involvement would only have strengthened their views. He would more than likely convinced even more people to vote leave, so Cameron was probably right to tell him to stay out of it!
Would have been interesting if Junker had got behind the leave campaign though, it may have convinced some Brexiteers to vote remain just to spite Junker
Would have been interesting if Junker had got behind the leave campaign though, it may have convinced some Brexiteers to vote remain just to spite Junker
So not sure why Markjmd is 'cancelling' my opinion just because I quoted an opinion from a right-leaning magazine. I'll assume he just saw the source and didn't bother reading it, or any other commentary source on Junker's daft opinion. 🤷♂️
25 April 2021, 09:23 AM
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Very nearly on our way to first free trade deal - with Down Under , some cheaper plonk in exchange for them flogging us thier lamb undercutting british farmers
what a farce
what a farce
28 April 2021, 11:54 AM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56899831
EU have passed the Brexit deal in the parliament - No reason why they wouldn't approve it, its a way better deal for the EU than it is for the UK.
EU have passed the Brexit deal in the parliament - No reason why they wouldn't approve it, its a way better deal for the EU than it is for the UK.
30 April 2021, 09:06 AM
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Another great success for taking back control of our waters! 
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56932551
That common fisheries policy doesn't seem too bad now does it? If only we had managed our quotas properly rather than trying to commoditise them
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56932551
That common fisheries policy doesn't seem too bad now does it? If only we had managed our quotas properly rather than trying to commoditise them
05 May 2021, 12:06 PM
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06 May 2021, 06:42 AM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56985363
So much for getting tough on immigration after Brexit. We don't want the 448 Million EU citizens coming here, but we can open the door to a billion people from India in order to get a little investment from India in return - Imagine how wide open the barn doors will be for an actual trade deal!! I can't imagine the Brexiteers being best pleased about this, although they did know what they were voting for, so this must have been what they wanted right?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-57002735
It didn't take long for the UK to cave in to the EU and grant their ambassadors full diplomatic status. Bit of bravado to sweeten the Brexiteers after a terrible Brexit deal, then quietly renege a couple of months later!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56996547
Barnier also now spilling the beans on how the Brexit talks went. Obviously it will be biased towards his/the EUs view, but still will be damaging to many of the Brexiteers in chief and I doubt we'll be getting any such info from the British side - a bit difficult really given we had to send so many different people to negotiate while the EU stayed strong and kept the same negotiating teams throughout! Should make an interesting read
So much for getting tough on immigration after Brexit. We don't want the 448 Million EU citizens coming here, but we can open the door to a billion people from India in order to get a little investment from India in return - Imagine how wide open the barn doors will be for an actual trade deal!! I can't imagine the Brexiteers being best pleased about this, although they did know what they were voting for, so this must have been what they wanted right?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-57002735
It didn't take long for the UK to cave in to the EU and grant their ambassadors full diplomatic status. Bit of bravado to sweeten the Brexiteers after a terrible Brexit deal, then quietly renege a couple of months later!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56996547
Barnier also now spilling the beans on how the Brexit talks went. Obviously it will be biased towards his/the EUs view, but still will be damaging to many of the Brexiteers in chief and I doubt we'll be getting any such info from the British side - a bit difficult really given we had to send so many different people to negotiate while the EU stayed strong and kept the same negotiating teams throughout! Should make an interesting read
06 May 2021, 09:07 AM
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And now the French are blockading Jersey and the Royal Navy have sent two patrol boats.
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-sen...-port-12297840
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-sen...-port-12297840
10 May 2021, 09:57 AM
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Interesting in the elections is the UKIP vote completely crashed and LaFarges new Reform party got no support either.
In the Scottish parliament vote, the SNP were only 1 seat short of a majority in an election system designed not to deliver a single party majority. There is also a clear majority in the parliament for a second referendum. Clearly the hard Brexit choice or the Tories, ignoring the will of the Scottish people, has not gone down well! So much for Brexit bringing down the EU, its the UK that is crumbling!
10 May 2021, 10:17 AM
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Hartlepool / tory " gains" in general has been down to voter fatigue - folk have no idea what is best for them
the last 7/8 years strategy has been negative campagining usa style
the last 7/8 years strategy has been negative campagining usa style
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10 May 2021, 05:49 PM
#6655
Nah, just labour weaker than ever. Same cronies, no real definitive policy that mainstream traditional labour voters outside of London are looking for; A wishy washy human rights barrister that constantly demands for inquiries on every single thing is nauseating at best; with the rubbish smear campaign on the tories that nobody on the street was interested in (bar the press that published it), same with the photo ops of him kneeling (hence the nickname "kneel stoma"), looking at wallpaper in John Lewis and pinning down a landlord in his own pub. Not to forget the non-existent local campaigning (zero round here). His party has once again failed to convince any former Labour voter to swing back, let alone attract new ones. Even if it was a vote for the best of the worst!
Voter turnout overall is low across many areas, so as always a massive chunk of the population don't give a s**t about who runs the show.
Voter turnout overall is low across many areas, so as always a massive chunk of the population don't give a s**t about who runs the show.
11 May 2021, 12:58 PM
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So what new toys did the Queens speech enable the UK to play with after brexit then? Now that you are free of beurocratic EU red tape and laws and can do what you want.
11 May 2021, 03:19 PM
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11 May 2021, 03:35 PM
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Awesome, how innovative.
Didn't the superior beings from the UK reject the notion of ID cards a few years ago as it contravened their human rights and was just another form of oppression from an unscrupulous government hell bent on spying on them.
Didn't the superior beings from the UK reject the notion of ID cards a few years ago as it contravened their human rights and was just another form of oppression from an unscrupulous government hell bent on spying on them.
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11 May 2021, 03:45 PM
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Don't worry it won't happen as labour and a few do-gooders don't like it.
Measures to tackle voting fraud
The Electoral Integrity Bill would require identification to vote in a polling station and would remove the 15 year limit on the voting rights of British expats.
MPs and civil liberties groups have hit out at plans to require voters to provide proof of identity when casting a ballot, with Labour describing them as "cynical and ugly".At the moment, people only have to walk into a polling station and give their name and address to vote.
The Electoral Integrity Bill would require identification to vote in a polling station and would remove the 15 year limit on the voting rights of British expats.
MPs and civil liberties groups have hit out at plans to require voters to provide proof of identity when casting a ballot, with Labour describing them as "cynical and ugly".At the moment, people only have to walk into a polling station and give their name and address to vote.