dpb

Senior police, believe country will be at serious risk due to brexit

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1UX0M5

Felix.

We are not in Schengen so the use of that system is outside the Schengen zone in any case. And the European arrest warrant system are awful.

I've mentioned before working with other countries outside of the EU and it is far easier and more productive.

dpb

So hes completley missleading us is he ?

mrtheedge2u2

Although Ireland and the United Kingdom have not signed the Schengen Agreement Application Convention, they take part in Schengen co-operation under the terms of the Treaty of Amsterdam, which introduced the provisions of Schengen acquis into European Union law. Schengen acquis allows the United Kingdom and Ireland to take part in all or part of the Schengen convention arrangements. Ireland and the United Kingdom use the Schengen Information System for law enforcement purposes - wiki.

I have said it once, and I will say it again, the police need people with some basic intelligence and knowledge. it appears they set their bar far below that

BMWhere?

Actually, we have signed up to the Schengen agreement, however, we negotiated various exceptions from the agreement such as the open borders. The Schengen Information System is something we did sign up for and is a great help for the security services when making all those background checks on people travelling to the UK that we're not allowed to make!

Felix, do you honestly believe that after we leave the EU, the government will do anything to make it harder to come to the country? Despite your best intentions, nothing is going to improve for you, that's the reality of it all, because it's simply not the problem that Brexiteer Conservatives/Nigel Farage want to fix, for them its only about restrictive banking regulations that stop them gambling with other peoples money! They simply don't give a monkeys about Polish crime syndicates and gang warfare that doesn't manifest in the wealthy areas they live, plebs that have to rely on the NHS because they can't afford private health care, nobodies that get a crap education because their parents cant afford to send them to Eton, or homeless Army veterans who can't get social housing because there isn't enough social housing and a Romanian family with five kids were deemed to be in greater need - They don't give a damn about the publics real world problems because they never see any of it from up in their Ivory towers! That's the reality of Brexit, its not for 'Us' its only for 'Them'!

Felix.

'Part' - part of it

Cannabis farms which I have - i can not use anything to try and trace suspects who head towards Poland. Once they leave the country its game over. Now, if you can suggest another way for me to do it, then I am all ears.

Mirror that to a fraud inquiry which we had in Australia - couple of emails, no problems, suspect interviewed

Felix.

I suggest he wont have dealt with a cannabis farm, missing from home, overseas fraud case etc. for a long time.

The higher up you go through the ladder, the more of a manager you become and the further away from the front line you are.

Felix.

You could argue the same for the ones who want to remain.

trails

iTrader: (41)

Only if you are a troll...

BMWhere?

Really? I'd like to hear that argument! I'm not aware of any politicians arguing to remain for self serving purposes, but if you have some examples I'm always willing to consider them!

The whole remain argument is about considering the bigger picture and what realistically benefits the country more as a whole when you balance all the pro's and cons.

Nobody on the remain side is denying that there are plenty of problems, but its about looking at the real causes of those problems and not accepting some propaganda that the EU is preventing us from doing anything, because in most cases the EU is not preventing us, the problems lye within.

Just ask yourself why all these problems the UK has with "EU regulations", why are EU countries not experiencing the same problems? Could it actually be that its not EU restrictions causing the problem but a problem we have created on our own?

Take Boris Johnsons "Kippers" speech recently. Claiming that we can't send smoked mackerel in the post without a cold bag due to EU regulations. Yet EU regulations don't make any such restrictions, it was in fact UK regulations that made that restriction! And who the hell sends kippers in the post anyway? The same is true for Health and Safety regulations which are far more restrictive in the UK than the rest of the EU. Blaming the EU often sounds like a convincing argument and in a world of fake news and minimal fact checking, the majority of people just believe it, the truth is generally not so simplistic as blaming the EU for everything.

I'm not trying to belittling your problems, and I won't argue that everything about the EU is perfect, but I don't think leaving the EU will fix your problems and tend to see a better solution would be to work more closely with the EU to improve the systems so they can benefit all EU countries in tackling crime together. Do you think that if the Polish won't currently respond to your email requests like the Australians do, are they going to start responding once we leave the EU, or maybe they might respond even less!

dpb

Could even be a backlash against us , if farage and cummings anything to do with

Felix.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7022536.html

As a quick look - the richer people seem to benefit more if we stay


I apologies if you think I'm trolling - I believed I was just entering the debate.
If that's the case I won't post anymore and we can just agree to differ.

Mr Fuji

And in that very article

Iain Duncan Smith, a Tory who has never really helped anyone but the Tories talking out of it again. Who'd a thought it?

dpb

Yes and Boris is dead set on building millions more houses , right ....

and all those nanny vacancies will now be filled by lazy idigenous people

BMWhere?

IDS is a rich Brexiteer who stands to benefit from Brexit if the banking regulations are removed.

You claimed that there were self serving remain politicians and you quote me a self serving Brexiteer! Who on the remain side is fighting to remain for personal financial gain? Tell me who they are and why remain will make them richer?

dpb

Ids of the " I could live on £53 a week " fame

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...osite-fact#amp

Mr Fuji

Here we go....... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49290926

As no deal gets closer......... Who'd a thought it? Oh, anyone with a modicum of intelligence

dpb

Take back control ...!

BMWhere?

Pound now down to 1.07 market rate

dpb

No doubt brexiters will bang on about how wonderful this will be for exporters ...



with zero to prove it

Felix.

Chuka Umunna as a self serving remain politician. Voted in by a Labour constituency and ridiculed the Liberal Democrats since that time. Then moved to join the Liberal Democrats and wants a second referendum - but strangely declines such a 'second referendum' in his own constituency as he will lose his seat and his salary. - And I never said any politician is doing so for personal financial gain in any case.

I agree with you that politicians don't give a dam about us and our problems from their ivory towers, but this is for both remain and leave politicians. Look at Theresa May who kept insisting that 'crime is going down' and 'this crying wolf has got to stop'. I use her name as she was a remainer to start with but then lead the 'party of brexit'


I quoted that richer people seem to benefit more from remain.
The original quote was:
"That's the reality of Brexit, its not for 'Us' its only for 'Them'!" it could be argued
"That's the reality of Remain, its not for 'Us' its only for 'Them'!"

But as I said before - people are saying I am trolling, so we will agree to differ and I will not post any more on the subject.

dpb

So who's the more concerned with No Deal

Johnson's cancelled all hols , while Junkers on his usual tyrolian summer escape

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

I get the feeling Boris doesn't agree with what Macron has to say.

BMWhere?

Maybe he just realised he should have come up with a plan for Brexit before holding a referendum!

dpb

D'oh ..!



thinks he's got a shoe-in , by putting feet on the table

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

I'm guessing Angela must have just been teasing with the old 30 days thing, or maybe trying to see if he'd live up to his reputation as an amoral lethario and slip her one on the side

Tidgy

pmsl, i did find it amusing when i found out the truth after that headline lol

hodgy0_2

when did "likes" arrive?

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

30 days to get sort the backstop, I’m sure the backstop was introduced well over a year ago so they have all had that time to sort something new out? But hey ho it sounds good when they say it their way

BMWhere?

Its very interesting listening to what Merkel said in German the other day. What she actually said, or more the way she said it, was not what was reported in the British press. The press made quite a positive spin on there being some hope of an alternative, but the way which she was speaking was more a statement that they would be prepared to listen and could do a deal in 30 days if Britain actually had some sort of serious plan. What was subtly implicated in the tone of the speach is that Britain clearly has no plan and she doesn't expect any workable ideas from Boris. Basically exactly what Macron stated more verbosely the following day!

Still, it boosted the pound enough to make me a few hundred quid