So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
#6211
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
Wrong plenty of cod in British waters and always has been. The fleet used to and to some degree still do go to the most lucrative waters as you would obviously. This is why the EU fleet want access to our waters. The fact that the British fleet have no quota in its own territorial waters is another discussion.
#6212
Scooby Regular
it was a bit more than the icing on the cake wasnt it
lots of fisherman unemployed and 25m compensation package when we had to get out of iceland
you have to wonder why they even bothered going there at all with all the cod in british watera !
lots of fisherman unemployed and 25m compensation package when we had to get out of iceland
you have to wonder why they even bothered going there at all with all the cod in british watera !
#6213
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
You Sir are a joke if I remember correctly it was 1k for every year worked up to a max of 20 years. Most of the old school were dead and got f'all. I never heard a thing about it and should be entitled to 2k.
As for your next comment well if you could go 100 yards down the road and fill petrol but you had to do it with a syringe or you could drive 5 miles up the road and someone filled it for you which would you do.
As for your next comment well if you could go 100 yards down the road and fill petrol but you had to do it with a syringe or you could drive 5 miles up the road and someone filled it for you which would you do.
#6214
As more and more information about this deal is revealed, it's clear that it's a load of rubbish, leaves us in a much worse position than we were in, the only saving grace is that it's not WTO
We haven't even really taken back control, we are still bound by many rules and regulations of the EU, with no say in their direction, no veto, we are restricted in how much we can help our industries, how we trade, we have more travel restrictions, our professional accreditations are not recognised in the EU, loss of Erasmus, the list goes on.
Still, blue passports!
We haven't even really taken back control, we are still bound by many rules and regulations of the EU, with no say in their direction, no veto, we are restricted in how much we can help our industries, how we trade, we have more travel restrictions, our professional accreditations are not recognised in the EU, loss of Erasmus, the list goes on.
Still, blue passports!
#6215
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (11)
As more and more information about this deal is revealed, it's clear that it's a load of rubbish, leaves us in a much worse position than we were in, the only saving grace is that it's not WTO
We haven't even really taken back control, we are still bound by many rules and regulations of the EU, with no say in their direction, no veto, we are restricted in how much we can help our industries, how we trade, we have more travel restrictions, our professional accreditations are not recognised in the EU, loss of Erasmus, the list goes on.
Still, blue passports!
We haven't even really taken back control, we are still bound by many rules and regulations of the EU, with no say in their direction, no veto, we are restricted in how much we can help our industries, how we trade, we have more travel restrictions, our professional accreditations are not recognised in the EU, loss of Erasmus, the list goes on.
Still, blue passports!
#6216
Scooby Regular
But you sai there was plenty fish in our waters , and always had been
bumped into my icelandic customer this afternoon - bizzare coincidence
been here 25 years
bumped into my icelandic customer this afternoon - bizzare coincidence
been here 25 years
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#6217
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
#6218
Scooby Senior
Wrong plenty of cod in British waters and always has been. The fleet used to and to some degree still do go to the most lucrative waters as you would obviously. This is why the EU fleet want access to our waters. The fact that the British fleet have no quota in its own territorial waters is another discussion.
https://theecologist.org/2019/sep/25...-risk-collapse
Article is from 2019, but I doubt stocks have substantially recovered in the last year despite less demand due to Covid!
UK Waters have been overfished for decades even before the common fisheries policy. The reality that nobody wants to admit to, is cod fishing in UK waters is not sustainable. That is the whole point of the EU quota system, to ensure that any catch is sustainable. Without the CFP, the UK fishing idustry would have run aground years ago. Now with the loss of access for the UK fleet in other EU countries waters, the chances are that Brexit will end up being the last nail in the coffin for UK fisheries. Sure there may be a short term boom if the UK removes quaotas, but the subsequent overfishing will decimate the stocks and kill the industry!
#6219
Scooby Senior
#6220
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
Read post 6174 again and it sort of explains the situation. The quota system is a farce and cod are migratory fish and don't always come back to the same place. The boats now by law have GPS trackers on them and are watched by the fisheries protection vessels. There are different areas with different quotas and if you are not in your area and have quota for that area your looking at jail and or a fine. Don't listen or take any notice of 99% of what see or hear the whole thing as said is a farce. If you are in any of the attached areas below and shouldn't be by mistake or not and you have no quota for the said area you are in serious trouble and or have to throw dead fish back.
#6221
Scooby Senior
The quota system as a whole is a good thing and helps balance the support of the fishing industry against the need for sustainability for each EU member. The real problem is the UK's implementation of the quota system, turning it into a commodity open to the highest bidder wherever in the world there from rather than using a system that supports domestic fleets as other EU members have done.
In future, the UK fleet will be restricted to UK or international waters. I suspect the UK will maintain a quota system to protect stocks and it will continue to be commoditised, so very little is likely to improve for UK fishers only they will be even more restricted in where they can fish and what they can catch.
I get that the system isn't great for UK fisheries, but I just don't see how Brexit is going to change anything for the better. Both in terms of the fisheries or sustainability. Unless they address the UK implementation of the quota system, nothing can improve!
In future, the UK fleet will be restricted to UK or international waters. I suspect the UK will maintain a quota system to protect stocks and it will continue to be commoditised, so very little is likely to improve for UK fishers only they will be even more restricted in where they can fish and what they can catch.
I get that the system isn't great for UK fisheries, but I just don't see how Brexit is going to change anything for the better. Both in terms of the fisheries or sustainability. Unless they address the UK implementation of the quota system, nothing can improve!
#6222
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
The quota system as a whole is a good thing and helps balance the support of the fishing industry against the need for sustainability for each EU member. The real problem is the UK's implementation of the quota system, turning it into a commodity open to the highest bidder wherever in the world there from rather than using a system that supports domestic fleets as other EU members have done.
In future, the UK fleet will be restricted to UK or international waters. I suspect the UK will maintain a quota system to protect stocks and it will continue to be commoditised, so very little is likely to improve for UK fishers only they will be even more restricted in where they can fish and what they can catch.
I get that the system isn't great for UK fisheries, but I just don't see how Brexit is going to change anything for the better. Both in terms of the fisheries or sustainability. Unless they address the UK implementation of the quota system, nothing can improve!
In future, the UK fleet will be restricted to UK or international waters. I suspect the UK will maintain a quota system to protect stocks and it will continue to be commoditised, so very little is likely to improve for UK fishers only they will be even more restricted in where they can fish and what they can catch.
I get that the system isn't great for UK fisheries, but I just don't see how Brexit is going to change anything for the better. Both in terms of the fisheries or sustainability. Unless they address the UK implementation of the quota system, nothing can improve!
Now the UK government can do whatever is in the UK's best interest. The UK governments of old can no longer blame the EU for tying their legislative hands. If the UK voting public don't like what the government is doing, out they go next election.
#6224
Scooby Regular
AFAIK We have no more extra voting rights /powers in UK than ever before...???
unless you’re counting Scotland voting to leave the union perhaps
the poorer average worker Will now though be at the full mercy of the tories ( the younger generation ignorant of that )
unless you’re counting Scotland voting to leave the union perhaps
the poorer average worker Will now though be at the full mercy of the tories ( the younger generation ignorant of that )
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#6225
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
The quota system as a whole is a good thing and helps balance the support of the fishing industry against the need for sustainability for each EU member. The real problem is the UK's implementation of the quota system, turning it into a commodity open to the highest bidder wherever in the world there from rather than using a system that supports domestic fleets as other EU members have done.
In future, the UK fleet will be restricted to UK or international waters. I suspect the UK will maintain a quota system to protect stocks and it will continue to be commoditised, so very little is likely to improve for UK fishers only they will be even more restricted in where they can fish and what they can catch.
I get that the system isn't great for UK fisheries, but I just don't see how Brexit is going to change anything for the better. Both in terms of the fisheries or sustainability. Unless they address the UK implementation of the quota system, nothing can improve!
In future, the UK fleet will be restricted to UK or international waters. I suspect the UK will maintain a quota system to protect stocks and it will continue to be commoditised, so very little is likely to improve for UK fishers only they will be even more restricted in where they can fish and what they can catch.
I get that the system isn't great for UK fisheries, but I just don't see how Brexit is going to change anything for the better. Both in terms of the fisheries or sustainability. Unless they address the UK implementation of the quota system, nothing can improve!
#6228
The fishing policies were designed to prevent a decline in stock, so either you accept that and no decline will happen (but yes, the UK may not be able to fish as much as it wants), or it's wrong and stopping the EU countries fishing will have no appreciable effect as we would take up the slack and continue the decline in stock, or the decline in stock would be such that the UK fishing industry will be buggered, as if they just 'drop anchor' they will disappear anyway.
#6230
Scooby Regular
The fishing policies were designed to prevent a decline in stock, so either you accept that and no decline will happen (but yes, the UK may not be able to fish as much as it wants), or it's wrong and stopping the EU countries fishing will have no appreciable effect as we would take up the slack and continue the decline in stock, or the decline in stock would be such that the UK fishing industry will be buggered, as if they just 'drop anchor' they will disappear anyway.
well scalloping off of Boulogne definitely off the menu now
No idea what 'Drop anchor on fishing " means ...??
Last edited by IdonthaveaScooby; 31 December 2020 at 11:22 AM.
#6231
#6232
Scooby Senior
Before leaving the EU. The UK was powerless to alter the CFP/ CAP etc etc etc..
Now the UK government can do whatever is in the UK's best interest. The UK governments of old can no longer blame the EU for tying their legislative hands. If the UK voting public don't like what the government is doing, out they go next election.
Now the UK government can do whatever is in the UK's best interest. The UK governments of old can no longer blame the EU for tying their legislative hands. If the UK voting public don't like what the government is doing, out they go next election.
This seperation from the UK and the EU is rubbish, we were in the EU and as one of the largest countries, our voice and vote was stronger than most. That fact that nobody other than UKIP supporters could be bothered voting in the EU elections meant that much of the UK representation in the EU worked on an agenda to disadvantage the UK and create this "them and us" image.
Farage famously never bothered turning up to comittee meetings which he was involved in, meaning the UK's interests were never represented - Funilly enough, he was on the EU fisheries commitee, responsible for defining the CFP and setting the quotas
#6233
Scooby Regular
#6234
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
We were never powerless to alter the CFP, as part of the EU we had a say in the CFP. The idea that the EU says something and we have no control is just rubbish.
This seperation from the UK and the EU is rubbish, we were in the EU and as one of the largest countries, our voice and vote was stronger than most. That fact that nobody other than UKIP supporters could be bothered voting in the EU elections meant that much of the UK representation in the EU worked on an agenda to disadvantage the UK and create this "them and us" image.
Farage famously never bothered turning up to comittee meetings which he was involved in, meaning the UK's interests were never represented - Funilly enough, he was on the EU fisheries commitee, responsible for defining the CFP and setting the quotas
This seperation from the UK and the EU is rubbish, we were in the EU and as one of the largest countries, our voice and vote was stronger than most. That fact that nobody other than UKIP supporters could be bothered voting in the EU elections meant that much of the UK representation in the EU worked on an agenda to disadvantage the UK and create this "them and us" image.
Farage famously never bothered turning up to comittee meetings which he was involved in, meaning the UK's interests were never represented - Funilly enough, he was on the EU fisheries commitee, responsible for defining the CFP and setting the quotas
Nigel Farage knew it was futile to attempt a legislative change with CFP. Only leaving would achieve change.
He, without recognition of his monumental effort, has achieved what no other modern day political figure has done. One day he will receive national recognition with some royal acknowledgement. Sir, Lord etc
#6236
Scooby Regular
Lafarge Like trump has never even been a politician for all has held good as , British ..!!!
Not married to British person , soon to retire to Europe
I hope you Are joking
Not married to British person , soon to retire to Europe
I hope you Are joking
#6238
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
Putting aside personal opinion of staying or leaving the EU. Nigel Farage has been the most influential person in politics in modern UK history. Whether you like or loathe him, nobody else has had as much influence.
Ther have been others, but nobody so prominent as Farage
Ther have been others, but nobody so prominent as Farage