So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
13 December 2020, 11:09 AM
#6091
a few fisherman for the sake of a trade deal
Some of us used to make a living fishing and a living for our crews families and all the other party's involved.
The EU destroyed all that due to a few reasons which we'll not go into but comments like that Sir would be better kept to yourself.
Some of us used to make a living fishing and a living for our crews families and all the other party's involved.
The EU destroyed all that due to a few reasons which we'll not go into but comments like that Sir would be better kept to yourself.
13 December 2020, 01:29 PM
#6094
Scooby Regular
??? Reckon its been centurys since we had more fisherman than doctors - people dont eat so much fish as they did , even less if its not wrapped in batter
These have to be a bigger menace to the local small boats here in Newhaven .- where there is a good 10 boats as it is of the 30 -50 foot range
( worked for somone whos just had twin hull built acros the river )
He controls whole supply chain from the sea to his shop
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1893...-sussex-coast/
These have to be a bigger menace to the local small boats here in Newhaven .- where there is a good 10 boats as it is of the 30 -50 foot range
( worked for somone whos just had twin hull built acros the river )
He controls whole supply chain from the sea to his shop
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1893...-sussex-coast/
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14 December 2020, 09:26 AM
#6097
Scooby Senior
While I have every sympathy for struggling fishermen, the reality is, the fishing industry accounts for a pretty insignificant amount of our economy, nobody in the UK eats much fish and the majority of our catch is exported. There is no way that fishing in UK waters should be used as a reason to block a trade deal with the EU, it's pure lunacy!
What really grates me is calling no deal an "Australia style deal" as if that is something better than no deal. You may as well call it a Timbuktu deal, because it accounts for nothing! What's worse is Australia knows its a bad deal and is busy trying to negotiate their own trade deal with the EU!
What really grates me is calling no deal an "Australia style deal" as if that is something better than no deal. You may as well call it a Timbuktu deal, because it accounts for nothing! What's worse is Australia knows its a bad deal and is busy trying to negotiate their own trade deal with the EU!
14 December 2020, 09:49 AM
#6098
While I have every sympathy for struggling fishermen, the reality is, the fishing industry accounts for a pretty insignificant amount of our economy, nobody in the UK eats much fish and the majority of our catch is exported. There is no way that fishing in UK waters should be used as a reason to block a trade deal with the EU, it's pure lunacy!
What really grates me is calling no deal an "Australia style deal" as if that is something better than no deal. You may as well call it a Timbuktu deal, because it accounts for nothing! What's worse is Australia knows its a bad deal and is busy trying to negotiate their own trade deal with the EU!
What really grates me is calling no deal an "Australia style deal" as if that is something better than no deal. You may as well call it a Timbuktu deal, because it accounts for nothing! What's worse is Australia knows its a bad deal and is busy trying to negotiate their own trade deal with the EU!
14 December 2020, 10:01 AM
#6099
Scooby Senior
The fact that they are not willing to call it "no deal" just shows how much of a failure that really would be!
14 December 2020, 10:43 AM
#6100
No deal phrase, was drummed up by remain supporters to give the Illusion, that its like suddenly there is nothing, a vacuum. Just like cliff edge phrase another pointless phrase to scare folk.
Didn't work, when the Conservatives won a thumping majority.
Best outcome has always been WTO. Clean set of tariffs, rules, which dont come with jurisdiction and other lock-ins for in perpetuity.
14 December 2020, 10:59 AM
#6101
In reality, it isn't no deal. Its using WTO, which is a set of rules already in place, that the UK and many other countries already conduct trade by. However they dress it up, its still a trade arrangement
No deal phrase, was drummed up by remain supporters to give the Illusion, that its like suddenly there is nothing, a vacuum. Just like cliff edge phrase another pointless phrase to scare folk.
Didn't work, when the Conservatives won a thumping majority.
Best outcome has always been WTO. Clean set of tariffs, rules, which dont come with jurisdiction and other lock-ins for in perpetuity.
No deal phrase, was drummed up by remain supporters to give the Illusion, that its like suddenly there is nothing, a vacuum. Just like cliff edge phrase another pointless phrase to scare folk.
Didn't work, when the Conservatives won a thumping majority.
Best outcome has always been WTO. Clean set of tariffs, rules, which dont come with jurisdiction and other lock-ins for in perpetuity.
Still, blue passports eh!
14 December 2020, 11:00 AM
#6102
Good lord you are the king of spin and talking ****, Andy
You argument is the same as this: 10 children sat in a group. 9 kids get given a PS5 as a gift and the 10th kid gets told by the teacher 'you get nothing as I do not like you'. The 10th kids parents complain to the school and the school says "all kids received something. 9 received PS5 and 1 received an insult and a talking to so your child and you should be happy the child did receive something'
You argument is the same as this: 10 children sat in a group. 9 kids get given a PS5 as a gift and the 10th kid gets told by the teacher 'you get nothing as I do not like you'. The 10th kids parents complain to the school and the school says "all kids received something. 9 received PS5 and 1 received an insult and a talking to so your child and you should be happy the child did receive something'
14 December 2020, 11:02 AM
#6103
In reality, it isn't no deal. Its using WTO, which is a set of rules already in place, that the UK and many other countries already conduct trade by. However they dress it up, its still a trade arrangement
No deal phrase, was drummed up by remain supporters to give the Illusion, that its like suddenly there is nothing, a vacuum. Just like cliff edge phrase another pointless phrase to scare folk.
Didn't work, when the Conservatives won a thumping majority.
Best outcome has always been WTO. Clean set of tariffs, rules, which dont come with jurisdiction and other lock-ins for in perpetuity.
No deal phrase, was drummed up by remain supporters to give the Illusion, that its like suddenly there is nothing, a vacuum. Just like cliff edge phrase another pointless phrase to scare folk.
Didn't work, when the Conservatives won a thumping majority.
Best outcome has always been WTO. Clean set of tariffs, rules, which dont come with jurisdiction and other lock-ins for in perpetuity.
So it's not a no deal then. Honestly you couldn't make this **** up! Leavers desperately trying to convince themselves that this is what they wanted and the no deal is actually a deal. Amazing.
By default any no deal would use WTO as a platform. But that doesn't change the matter it is still a NO DEAL.
Amazing. You've made my day Andy. lol
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14 December 2020, 11:07 AM
#6104
Scooby Regular
Itll be struggling lamb farmers next ...
the basis , of any rational brexiers mind anyway , is that the EU will collapse and / or give us free trade
it hasnt happened yet
the basis , of any rational brexiers mind anyway , is that the EU will collapse and / or give us free trade
it hasnt happened yet
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14 December 2020, 01:52 PM
#6105
Scooby Senior
What also makes me laugh is the Brexiteer claim that the EU are trying to punish the UK. No, they are trying to protect the single market.
There is no way in hell they will offer a deal that undermines the fundamentals of the single market, that would be suicide for the EU!
There is no way in hell they will offer a deal that undermines the fundamentals of the single market, that would be suicide for the EU!
14 December 2020, 04:06 PM
#6107
It doesn't matter,though, as the cult of Brexit can have no dissent. It's very similar to Trump, despite it being obvious there is not voter fraud, the followers really believe that stuff.
It will never be the UKs fault, it's Johnny Foreigner
It will never be the UKs fault, it's Johnny Foreigner
16 December 2020, 09:33 PM
#6111
F*ck me, good to see that remainers are still a bunch of arrogant, conceited **** wombles that automatically assume that just because someone voted leave that they're thick, working class racists that have no idea about the issue.
I'm well educated, financially stable and I personally hope it is a no deal. Clean break our own rules.
Can't wait for the German and French car manufactures to start moaning when we don't buy their cars any more and the food and wine producers to complain when we turn elsewhere should the EU be stupid enough to start the punitive taxes rubbish they've threatened.
Let's not forget that all this bo11ocks could have been avoided had they actually engaged with Cameron when he asked for a better deal at the start of it all.
From day one this has been about punishing us to prevent others from following suit.
They've been uncooperative and obstructive from the start yet remainers say its all the UK Gov's fault.
Personally I hope the United States of Europe project falls on it's **** afterwards.
I'm well educated, financially stable and I personally hope it is a no deal. Clean break our own rules.
Can't wait for the German and French car manufactures to start moaning when we don't buy their cars any more and the food and wine producers to complain when we turn elsewhere should the EU be stupid enough to start the punitive taxes rubbish they've threatened.
Let's not forget that all this bo11ocks could have been avoided had they actually engaged with Cameron when he asked for a better deal at the start of it all.
From day one this has been about punishing us to prevent others from following suit.
They've been uncooperative and obstructive from the start yet remainers say its all the UK Gov's fault.
Personally I hope the United States of Europe project falls on it's **** afterwards.
17 December 2020, 12:28 AM
#6112
F*ck me, good to see that remainers are still a bunch of arrogant, conceited **** wombles that automatically assume that just because someone voted leave that they're thick, working class racists that have no idea about the issue.
I'm well educated, financially stable and I personally hope it is a no deal. Clean break our own rules.
Can't wait for the German and French car manufactures to start moaning when we don't buy their cars any more and the food and wine producers to complain when we turn elsewhere should the EU be stupid enough to start the punitive taxes rubbish they've threatened.
Let's not forget that all this bo11ocks could have been avoided had they actually engaged with Cameron when he asked for a better deal at the start of it all.
From day one this has been about punishing us to prevent others from following suit.
They've been uncooperative and obstructive from the start yet remainers say its all the UK Gov's fault.
Personally I hope the United States of Europe project falls on it's **** afterwards.
I'm well educated, financially stable and I personally hope it is a no deal. Clean break our own rules.
Can't wait for the German and French car manufactures to start moaning when we don't buy their cars any more and the food and wine producers to complain when we turn elsewhere should the EU be stupid enough to start the punitive taxes rubbish they've threatened.
Let's not forget that all this bo11ocks could have been avoided had they actually engaged with Cameron when he asked for a better deal at the start of it all.
From day one this has been about punishing us to prevent others from following suit.
They've been uncooperative and obstructive from the start yet remainers say its all the UK Gov's fault.
Personally I hope the United States of Europe project falls on it's **** afterwards.
17 December 2020, 02:23 AM
#6113
Had they approached this whole thing with a genuine sense of partnership and friendship instead of the stance they have I may have been a little less adverse to it all.
Instead they've tried to bully and intimidate from day one.
It's never been about fair partnership, for them it's about protecting their own interests. None of them want our exit to be a success because they don't want others to follow suit.
So they've made it as difficult as possible every step of the way.
The way some people from the UK have just capitulated and are willing to accept their terms regardless, simply disgusts me.
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17 December 2020, 09:47 AM
#6115
From day one this has been about punishing us to prevent others from following suit.
They've been uncooperative and obstructive from the start yet remainers say its all the UK Gov's fault.
Personally I hope the United States of Europe project falls on it's **** afterwards.
They've been uncooperative and obstructive from the start yet remainers say its all the UK Gov's fault.
Personally I hope the United States of Europe project falls on it's **** afterwards.
17 December 2020, 11:57 AM
#6116
F*ck me, good to see that remainers are still a bunch of arrogant, conceited **** wombles that automatically assume that just because someone voted leave that they're thick, working class racists that have no idea about the issue.
I'm well educated, financially stable and I personally hope it is a no deal. Clean break our own rules.
Can't wait for the German and French car manufactures to start moaning when we don't buy their cars any more and the food and wine producers to complain when we turn elsewhere should the EU be stupid enough to start the punitive taxes rubbish they've threatened.
I'm well educated, financially stable and I personally hope it is a no deal. Clean break our own rules.
Can't wait for the German and French car manufactures to start moaning when we don't buy their cars any more and the food and wine producers to complain when we turn elsewhere should the EU be stupid enough to start the punitive taxes rubbish they've threatened.
Dream on!
17 December 2020, 12:03 PM
#6117
Scooby Senior
Why Should it? I may have been inclined to have softer stance with it but all the EU has wanted to do from the start is dictate how they want things to be done.
Had they approached this whole thing with a genuine sense of partnership and friendship instead of the stance they have I may have been a little less adverse to it all.
Instead they've tried to bully and intimidate from day one.
It's never been about fair partnership, for them it's about protecting their own interests. None of them want our exit to be a success because they don't want others to follow suit.
So they've made it as difficult as possible every step of the way.
The way some people from the UK have just capitulated and are willing to accept their terms regardless, simply disgusts me.
Had they approached this whole thing with a genuine sense of partnership and friendship instead of the stance they have I may have been a little less adverse to it all.
Instead they've tried to bully and intimidate from day one.
It's never been about fair partnership, for them it's about protecting their own interests. None of them want our exit to be a success because they don't want others to follow suit.
So they've made it as difficult as possible every step of the way.
The way some people from the UK have just capitulated and are willing to accept their terms regardless, simply disgusts me.
This Brexiteer belief that the UK should somehow always be given a better deal than everyone else in the EU is purely delusional. The UK already had the best deal and played a commanding role and membership has always hugely benefited the UK, but that was never enough for the Brexiteers who sense of entitlement demanded that the UK should always have more.
Negotiations are a two sided thing. The UK will hold out for the best deal it can, but the same is true for the EU. The EU will put its own interests first in negotiating a post-Brexit trade deal with the UK. It's not punishing the UK, it has no interest to do so, but it is protecting itself and the integrity of the single market. On any point it will balance what it has to gain or what it has to loose. Yes, the Germans would like to sell cars with zero tariffs to the UK, but not at any cost. This misconception that the UK is somehow entitled to a good deal and the EU are being petty for not doing it is a complete joke.
