If you left your job and discussed severance pay with your employer, mutually agreeing a "deal" then I bet you'd be pi55ed off to find out there is no "deal" after all and you're left high and dry!

It won't be fantastic, don't kid yourself.

 

You're talking about the ridiculous WA That is being settled.

Im talking about the long term future, having a foreign entity with direct control is not leaving.

 

The what ??

 

Why do you stick to this mantra? Even the Leave campaign admitted No Deal would be a disaster. All independent studies say it will be, even the governments own projections don't show it in a good light. For a few people it will be, for the majority, it won't.

 

No they didn't.

They said 'No deal is better than a bad deal'

Signing up to ECJ, level playing field, handing over fishing rights is a bad deal.

Soon as EU except that the UK is an independent sovereign nation, with no restrictions above, then a deal might be worth having

 

Get your facts right.

Farage said no deal is better than a bad deal. But Farage is not in power is he?

Boris said: "We will not be leaving without a deal"

 

I think you might be mistaken. The Prime minister at the time said it

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...resa-may-video

 

The remoaners seem to forget all sorts when it suits them.

 

Yet again, honest people in industry who voted remain (because they know better) being called silly names by leavers. Very childish, but a very good character assessment. Well done!

 

Shall I go on?

 

Go for it
Knock yourself out

 

Wouldn't dare say a negative word against Brexit for the fear of becoming the centre of another targeted hate attack by Brexiteers.

Such anger.

 

"signing up to the ECJ"

You guys really are thick

 

That really worked didn't it, calling the winners thick. All it did was separate the remainers, to be alienated. Then absolutely trounced in an general election, by the population supporting leaving the EU.


I really do feel sorry for you, a life destined to filled with anger, hatred that you were beaten.

On the other hand, to use a celebrity remainers lyrics

At first, when I see you cry
Yeah, it makes me smile
Yeah, it makes me smile
At worst, I feel bad for a while
But then I just smile
I go ahead and smile


​

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/fact-figures/d...-over-uk-law/#


https://ukandeu.ac.uk/where-does-brexit-leave-uk-law/



for all the 'winners' out there

 

UK Government free to change law now and in the future, without being tied

 

What do you want to see altered ?

 

Everything and anything, that benefits the UKs decisions

 

So youve no idea really

 

Like you then

Im not nor you are in government, or special adviser with access to top law, finance, environmental specialists etc etc

 

No no no

absolutley not !

youve set about advocatin change ( and got it )

and youve no idea what / how itll change


or what change you want

 

'One man one vote'.

I had my opportunity like I expect you did to change this country's direction.

Next opportunity will be in 4 years or so time.

 

still no idea then

 

And this is the issue with Brexiteers, and always has been,change, but no idea of why they want it changed or what they want changed. The people that started it had so much to gain, and persuaded the daily Fail and Sun readers it would be good for them, but it doesn't matter that it isn't, it's too late, they have what they want.

You speak to 10 Brexiteers, 9 of them will simply spout "take back control" and then utterly fail to name a single thing that they couldn't do as an EU member that they will be able to in 2021. We elect governments to make decisions that are soimply too complex for most people to full understand, and the fact that MPs by a huge majority thought staying in was a good idea tells you exactly what you need to know about the wisdom of referendums.

Selfishly, it won't make much difference to me at my age and financial position, and I don't really want people to suffer great hardships because they were misled by people with nothing but utter self interest, but I will not be able to avoid a certain amount of schadenfreude in the coming years

 

Unfortunately we don’t elect MPs and especially MEPs on total % of population. Throughout our membership only a minority of the UK population has voted: http://www.ukpolitical.info/european...on-turnout.htm

In other words the majority of the UK (60%+) have consistently not voted for a MEP. That means the majority of the UK population has not had proper political representation in the EU.

Even the general elections there is a persistent missing 33% of votes. Which in marginal seats or in the hung parliaments we’ve seen of recent would make all the difference.

When for the past 70 odd years of post war government all we’ve had is a two horse race or worse a one horse race during various eras, there is little wonder that people feel that MPs and MEPs DO NOT represent the UK public.

So ‘taking back control‘ is a stupid thing when a good chunk of the population haven’t elected someone to represent them and of those that did, a further chunk did so just prevent the ‘other lot’ from getting a seat; Those ‘in control’ aren’t the ones many want to be in control and that’s well before this Brexit b*ll*cks reared it’s ugly head.

 

lol, well I like to call it as I see it

i know you get all snowflackey and cry salty brexity tears when your bull**** is called out

 

the real irony is that as a member we were instrumental in designing and writing the rules and product standards that we follow

but now we will truly became the masturbatory fantasy of Brexidiots - having to accepts rules we simply have no say in making

we will accept them not because "that mean EU makes us" - no, we will accept them because it simply makes fvcking sense

when the global rules and product standards are thrashed out on electric cars, Ebikes, paint/chemical products or aviation products by the EU (and USA / China) we will follow them

when the EU make new rules on Motorbike helmets or lawnmowers we will follow them, why because it makes sense

but we will have little to no input in those rules - every time you buy a product with a CE marking / Euro rating on it you will be buying a product the UK had no say over

well fvcking done

 

Oh yes , the only word Boris and his brexit negociating team know

say No to everything and the Eu and the rest the world will be forced to give in .....lol

 

UK Parliament is Sovereign

Para 38

 

I read a little snippet of a report today saying that hedge-funds and hedge-fund managers/companies who were adviser/donators to Johnson et al have over 8 bn pounds sterling invested in shorts basically relying on the UK economy to tank.

The mind boggles.

Also read a conversation about the EU fishing rights issue that is locking up a potential deal........UK and Westminster screaming about British waters and then someone chirped in with "when Scotland votes to leave the Union and apply for EU membership, Britain will lose 70% of the waters anyway as they will be Scottish waters, so stop whining" lol