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iTrader: (41)

Fair comment...transparent dialogue is the only way forward, it’s an emotive subject and both sides have certainly been prone to hyperbole

dpb

Well we may just get an inkling of it now with yellow hammer being prized out them

As government loses yet again

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iTrader: (41)

Has he won any votes since he arrived at nr 10?

dpb

He couldn't cope with any more defeats, so shut up shop..!

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iTrader: (41)

After listening to him in that final session the only thing he had was calling Corbyn a chicken. Weak sauce by the leader of the country. Depressing.

silver-sub

And the walking thesaurus Bercow is gone.

BMWhere?

Very cleaver move! The Tories were planning to oust him by contesting his seat at the election in the hope they could get a new more sympathetic speaker. This way, the current parliament will select the new speaker in October rather than any new parliament, so the new speaker will most likely be a remainer!

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It could be argued he was a it fond of his own voice but I'd say it was impossible to argue his intelligence and commitment to the role/country.

Lets hope his constituents reward him.

dpb

and it gets worse still

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/11/boris...ules-10722163/

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iTrader: (41)

Be interested as to what happens yet...one would assume that Boris is accountable for the decision so therefore vulnerable?

Maybe he can appeal to ECHR for support...karma is a b1atch

Tidgy

im confused as **** with all this legal action,

Scotland said legal, then not legal

England said not legal, then legal


and Ireland hasn't even got to the first answer yet

so were now in a situation where scotish law has superseded english law?

With another legal challenge to come in england?

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iTrader: (41)

All the actions will end up in the Supreme Court it sits at the top of all the UK courts

Tidgy

thanks for clearing it up lol (ps thats not being sarcastic)

Kinda shows how much of a sheet show this whole thing is.

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iTrader: (41)

Hedging their bets I'd imagine...Boris strategy does not seem to be going well at present, but lets see if Cummings really is a tactical genius and this is all part of the plan.

Tidgy

i suspect we are no deal on the 31st anyway tbh even if parliament comes back

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iTrader: (41)

It feels like no-deal is getting less likely by the day...but lets face it this has been impossible to call and it's become even more bizarre at present.

Boris is out no matter what...if labour are smart enough to change leadership (Keir Starmer or John Watson) then they will get in if there is a GE...if they don't I have no idea what's going to happen.

Tidgy

I disagree with that, with parliment dilly dallying and games now being played by both sides im gonna guess it will just time out the date.

As far as a GE, make no mistake, it will be 100% based on remain or leave the EU. (well maybe 90%, but it will be the core issue)

Labour have no chance at a GE, thats why they wont do it. Even a change in leadership wont solve their problem.

Lib dems are full remain, so will prob pull alot of that side of the vote, at the expense of torries and labour
Torries are more leave, but floating more so will pull the hardcore torrie supporters and some leavers who dont want to vote for brexit
Labour are floating in the wind trying to win votes form day to day which will lose them support, also as they dont have a proper brexit stance people will move away from them
Brexit party are going to gain massivley, local elections prove that. There leave stance will get them many many votes

then you have the usual odd outlying partys like the greens/indy etc which will pull seats away from the main partys but no meaningfull difference

the end result will be Torries coming out in front, but not a majority, they will then aly with brexit party and there is your gov.


admittedly thats all speculation but i think its pretty logical

dpb

Well presumably Boris will be going if the Supreme court upholds

Tidgy

im not sure he will tbh. He's in a position not really of his own making, some of it yes, but 2.9 years out of the 3 not lol

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iTrader: (41)

I'm not sure what games you think the opposition parties are playing; they are only reacting to each Boris\Cummings move...

I disagree regarding labour; with a centralist leader who supports a second referendum they will clean up.

I really, truly do not believe Farage and his stooges will get many (if any seats); local council elections are an entirely different kettle of fish...his posturing about going into an alliance with the Tories is delusional. The bloke is a self-important ****.

The danger to remain voters is there are quite a few parties that support remain\second ref but that could well split the votes so a majority isn't gained...just like the local council elections we have just seen.

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I'm not sure he will have a choice if they rule he acted illegally...the position is entirely of his own making, not sure why you think it isn't? He is proroguing parliament for the longest since the end of WW2 and only to stop the opposition debate...he gambled and it now looks like he is going to lose.

Tidgy

But you seem to have missed the last 3 years that have achieve sweet bob all when he wasn't in charge and he was left with a hung parliment who can;t decided what they want. Dont get me wrong, leaving with a deal would be better than no deal. but 5 weeks isnt gonna change what couldnt be sorted in 3 years.

At the min england says he's legal scotland says hes not, so he could be rulled to have acted legally.

its just a mess plain and simple.

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The reason we are in this position is that Cameron et al did not believe the leave campaign would win and so there was no contingency planning...and when presented with the reality of how complex leaving the EU is they buried their heads in the sand. There is no clean way out of the EU and certainly none that deals with NL... and for me its the Troubles resurfacing that's the most damming outcome of the referendum

Don't worry about the court rulings, we have to be patient and see what the Supreme Court rule...and if Boris\Cummings have the ***** to go to ECHR if they lose, what a fun day that would be

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also Boris has achieved less than nothing except polarise opinions further in his desperate attempt to be in charge...the bloke is a w@nker. I've seen the difference between his administration as Mayor of London and the outputs from City Hall first hand and while I'm no fan of Sidiq he has achieved much more than Boris and the staff don't think he is a w@nker.

Tidgy

he hasnt done anything liek tbh, i dont know anyone who has changed there opinions since borris became PM.

Tidgy

its shows how out of touch with the common person the MP's were and still are.

haha yeah would be ironic wouldnt it lol

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iTrader: (41)

100% agree...if they (MPs) really cared they would have had ensured they had a far better understanding of the issues we face as a nation and mitigated them before this civil war...this is why I understand Cummings desired outcome.

Sadly he has no empathy for the trail of dead he will leave in his wake to achieve his aims. Maybe I'm being a ***** but there must be another way without impacting the most vulnerable in our society...because make no mistake they will suffer the most if we leave without a deal.

I'm in the top x% of the country wage wise but I don't have a million pound house or a GT3...the wealth gap is just daft now and that does need to be addressed. Some how.

Tidgy

But your assuming it will be bad, in the long run we may find ourselves in a much better position.

lozgti1

dpb

But the old codgers who voted for it will be dead by then..

So they really have this much business foresight And / or the collapse the EU
...?