BMWhere?

If there was election fraud committed, it should absolutely be looked into and people held to account. I really have absolutely no problem with Farage wanting this investigated, the issue I have is with the hypocrisy when they argue that a second referendum is un-democratic!

That site is also extremely one sided. The idea that the Brexit party or Tories weren't also playing the game to gain extra seats is very naive!

trails

iTrader: (41)

Not exactly a balanced piece of journalism is it...and that site does not have a reputation for impartiality does it

I'd be disappointed if there hasn't been an investigation into these allegations if these events occurred as blatantly as reported...sceptic to say the least.

BMWhere?

Just had a sponsored article (advert) pop up on my Facebook feed saying that Sweden had voted to ditch the Euro currency and the EU were furious!

Sweden is not even in the Euro zone and never has been and no votes have taken place in Sweden regarding even joining!
Total fake news that sadly few people will fact check, its no wonder people vote to leave the EU with this sort of disinformation going round. Facebook may well take the article down, but those who have seen it will not be informed of the lies they have been exposed to!

trails

iTrader: (41)

FB should be made to run the ad with a bit red strike through on it stating it is fake news...but that would disrupt their revenue stream

BMWhere?

If people were shown the corrections to the fake news they had seen, the problem might not be so great!
The creators of the fake news should also be held to account, this stuff is put out their and already does the damage before platforms like facebook can possibly react!

trails

iTrader: (41)

Ha, FB...accountable; pfffttt they will never take responsibility. I see Clegg has been trying to promote their transparency, they really picked a great ambassador for that didn't they

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

I got this ad and it was about smoking, they listed other ads about Sweden and the euro which were also all about smoking, so I didn't even manage to get the fake news the headline was promising :-(

trails

iTrader: (41)

Unsurprising...

BMWhere?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48807161

Another huge EU trade deal that we're walking away from

Only took 20 years to negotiate, and we thought trade deals were easy to negotiate! Still, I'm sure little Britain can negotiate a far better deal on its own in a couple of months

dpb

Im not sure thats a great deal for the rainforrested areas or its inhabitants or the world

Bolsonoro doesnt care about that though , hes 's just another Trump

dpb

So larfage has to scurry off to a red top protest at a bit of satire

That's quite funny isn't it

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8981281.html


Those daft old wrinkles voting for him never saw spitting image I suppose too low brow

Felix.

20 years to negotiate a deal....!!!
And you're saying staying in the EU is the better option?

Mr Fuji

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's merely pointing out that getting a trade deal is a long and complex process, and the UK is going ot have to deal with blocs like this, so apart from the fact that we will waste time negotiating deals we would have already had by staying in the EU, we are unlikely to get any better deal, we simply don't have the clout, so what is the point?

This has been the case all along, Wrexiteers seem to think we don't trade with anyone else apart from the EU and we will suddenly have all these markets opened up to us, but already trade with virtually every nation, and they will all have to be negotiated. What a waste!

Any large trading bloc will have the upper hand in negotiations with a single nation. It's lose lose!

Still, we will have taken back control.........

Felix.

And saved ourselves money by not having to pay the EU to negotiate deals that we can do anyway

dpb

Im sure Boris can do it on his day off from running the country , over a couple weekends !

trails

iTrader: (41)

Surely you must agree that being in a larger market gives greater leverage when negotiating a trade deal?

Mr Fuji

Well, the amount we pay the EU is peanuts in comparison to our GDP, so it's like complaining about paying out £100 a year for gym membership if you earned £155,000 a year! The benefit that brings in terms of free trade with our largest trading partner (you know, the EU), and the clout we get in other trade deals as being part of one of, if not the largest, trading blocs in the world is less tangible, but beneficial nonetheless.

So yes, you can do those deals, but no deal will immediately wipe far more than £18bn off our economy, then you have the cost of all those tariffs until we can negotiate all these few hundred trade deals we will need, those ones that we previously had with rest of the world as EU members.

Now of course, some will say in the long term it will be better, and no one has a crystal ball, it may well be, but then it may not, and my never be as good or better, but one things is sure, it will take a long time, the damage to the economy alone will cause alot of hardship, so in economic terms, why on earth would anyone think it is worth it? Oh, I know, it's those tw@ts who stand to make a lot of money out of it, not the millions who are not privileged who acted like turkeys voting for Christmas.

Felix.

Well, when a nurse asked why she had to use a food bank to feed herself due to her poor public sector salary, Theresa May replied "We don't have a magic money tree!"

So, here's your magic money tree.

An independent body has reviewed Police pay and stated that we should receive 15%. If done over 3 years at 5% should be plausible - this is the same group that did the MP's pay which they 'reluctantly' accepted at 7%.

This has been turned down by the government as they can not afford such a pay rise. So, from my point of view, we need a magic money tree!

dpb

You think Brexit will enable you a pay rise ??

Felix.

Boris seems to thinks so - but if May was moaning about not having enough money, here's the magic money tree she wanted.

dpb

oh well , there you go - sorted !

Probably pay with that 39 bn

dpb

Honestly shocked some poeple are so gullible

trails

iTrader: (41)

Not sure if this is a serious post?

coupe_20vt

iTrader: (2)

Corrected for you.

Obvious that the level of education needed to be a copper has dropped considerably over the years.

trails

iTrader: (41)

Austerity mate

Felix.

Masters degree from Liverpool uni - so my education level is quite fine

So what don't you agree with - May saying that "I don't have a magic money tree?" because I quite clearly heard it
Or do you think public sector pay is fine?

I think it needs to change.

Immigration is another problem which needs to be dealt with instead of having an open border for all.

dpb

Quite clearly we dont have an open border for all - even an uneducated pleb realises this !


Secondly ,What relevance has public sector pay to this thread / brexit ?

trails

iTrader: (41)

A decent university, I spent some time there in the mid 90s...

My wife was a teacher so am familiar with the need to pay civil servants more....I'm just not sure it's linked to Brexit; anything we don't give the EU (notwithstanding it is a net benefit so actually mean we get out more than we pay in) will be spoken for negotiating and managing any trade deals we have. So no money tree there.

Boarders are not open, have never been open and there are no plans for them to be open.

dpb

If someone with a masters degree has managed to deduce brexit means lots more cash to go round , just where does that leave the man in the street ..!

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

I think it’s going to keep wages low for most people for a long time once we are left.