So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
12 July 2018, 04:40 PM
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What about the effect on the industry it will have?
Do you think this is scaremongering?
https://www.birminghampost.co.uk/bus...-hard-14870403
I am not pro EU but a country needs to look at what's best for its economy and not politicians caring for their voters.
Unfortunately EU has been setup that mainly Germany and France benefit from it though and it's not at all democratic. The idea would have been nice though.
First of all the € is a currency borrowed from the ECB.
Have a read through this in case you are not already aware: http://www.eu-facts.org/en/backgroun...e_lecture.html
Do you think this is scaremongering?
https://www.birminghampost.co.uk/bus...-hard-14870403
I am not pro EU but a country needs to look at what's best for its economy and not politicians caring for their voters.
Unfortunately EU has been setup that mainly Germany and France benefit from it though and it's not at all democratic. The idea would have been nice though.
First of all the € is a currency borrowed from the ECB.
Have a read through this in case you are not already aware: http://www.eu-facts.org/en/backgroun...e_lecture.html
did you forget we live in a deomcracy?
the people voted, whether right or wrong it should be actioned.
12 July 2018, 04:42 PM
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In which case I'd better start packing my bags as it's looking like a suicide to me. I've seen it happen in the Greek parliament and this has started to seem like a Tsipras reloaded
A country with no industry CANNOT survive on services only, how hard is this to understand?
The problem is most politicians only care about how to remain in power the longest.
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12 July 2018, 04:54 PM
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12 July 2018, 05:03 PM
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Tidgy, a question....i know it is a fetch, but If they had a vote to make all education, from primary to university, a system where you have to pay everything yourself and it only passed that vote due to OAPs would you say they should enforce it?
In Holland they have had many referendums and when it is a clearly stupid result, then they 'take it under advice' and move on.
In Holland they have had many referendums and when it is a clearly stupid result, then they 'take it under advice' and move on.
12 July 2018, 05:05 PM
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One needs to see the bigger picture though and stop seeing things with rose tinted glasses.
In which case I'd better start packing my bags as it's looking like a suicide to me. I've seen it happen in the Greek parliament and this has started to seem like a Tsipras reloaded
A country with no industry CANNOT survive on services only, how hard is this to understand?
The problem is most politicians only care about how to remain in power the longest.
In which case I'd better start packing my bags as it's looking like a suicide to me. I've seen it happen in the Greek parliament and this has started to seem like a Tsipras reloaded
A country with no industry CANNOT survive on services only, how hard is this to understand?
The problem is most politicians only care about how to remain in power the longest.
12 July 2018, 05:10 PM
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Have a read through this in case you are not already aware: http://www.eu-facts.org/en/backgroun...e_lecture.html
Don't worry Hodgey will be along shortly to tell us all that this is bol10x, just like the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan.
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12 July 2018, 05:31 PM
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Tidgy, a question....i know it is a fetch, but If they had a vote to make all education, from primary to university, a system where you have to pay everything yourself and it only passed that vote due to OAPs would you say they should enforce it?
In Holland they have had many referendums and when it is a clearly stupid result, then they 'take it under advice' and move on.
In Holland they have had many referendums and when it is a clearly stupid result, then they 'take it under advice' and move on.
The stupidity didn't end there though; they then went ahead an enacted article 50 before they put any real though about what Brexit means (it just means Brexit doesn't it?), coming up with a decent plan for Brexit and getting cross party agreement for what Brexit means. Then then stupidly thought it would be a good idea to waste 3 months having a general election and then stupidly spent another year just arguing with themselves about whether Brexit means Brexit or not before coming up with a plan that everyone could agree with on Friday and then not agree with on Monday making it more and more likely that the government will collapse and we have another general election so that the other bunch of idiots can start disagreeing about what Brexit means and waste another year! Only we don't have another year, we have 9 months until Brexit means cliff edge and only 3 months until we need to have a final plan for not falling over that cliff edge because the EU still needs 6 months to sell it to the member states who then need to decide if they agree or not. And all this because a very small majoirty of the people who could be bothered to first register to vote and then actually go out and vote thought that leaving the EU was the best option based on an opinion formed for them by the tabloid newspapers telling them how great its going to be again like it was in the 40's when Britain ruled the world and answered to no one whilst defeating Hitler single handedly before going down the pup for pint of beer that cost an ha'penny!
12 July 2018, 06:48 PM
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Always makes me laugh when they keep saying what they have agreed isn’t what the people voted for. So apart from immigration what did they expect from Brexit? Everyone I know who voted out had only one reason “. Get rid of all the foreigners and take control of our borders”. So after that how do they keep coming up with what the people wanted?
Is it not what Farage and some of the other politicians wanted , even though Farage is the biggest hypocrite going as he wanted us out of Europe but still clung onto his MEP job as you can’t let that cash cow go can you
Is it not what Farage and some of the other politicians wanted , even though Farage is the biggest hypocrite going as he wanted us out of Europe but still clung onto his MEP job as you can’t let that cash cow go can you
13 July 2018, 07:53 AM
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13 July 2018, 08:35 AM
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Lets just throw all our eggs into one basket and put all our faith in a fly by night casino owner
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-trade-usa/
who , like our other wonderful new prospective trading partners , are 10 + x further away from the ones on our doorstep ( THUS EXTRA FUEL)
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-trade-usa/
who , like our other wonderful new prospective trading partners , are 10 + x further away from the ones on our doorstep ( THUS EXTRA FUEL)
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13 July 2018, 08:39 AM
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13 July 2018, 10:36 AM
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It's not as if this wasn't brought up before the referendum, what different things leaving the EU meant to different people, and now we find ourselves in this awful mess.
The question was too complex to compact into a referendum question. I'm not saying there shouldn't have been a referendum, but it really wasn't suitable at all as it was.
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13 July 2018, 10:44 AM
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out many, many times, the
Norway and Switzerland are not in the EU, yet have many aspects of EU membership, so you can leave and have lots of things which don't change. So, once again, it's almost as if the question was too simple.....
It's not as if this wasn't brought up before the referendum, what different things leaving the EU meant to different people, and now we find ourselves in this awful mess.
The question was too complex to compact into a referendum question. I'm not saying there shouldn't have been a referendum, but it really wasn't suitable at all as it was.
Norway and Switzerland are not in the EU, yet have many aspects of EU membership, so you can leave and have lots of things which don't change. So, once again, it's almost as if the question was too simple.....
It's not as if this wasn't brought up before the referendum, what different things leaving the EU meant to different people, and now we find ourselves in this awful mess.
The question was too complex to compact into a referendum question. I'm not saying there shouldn't have been a referendum, but it really wasn't suitable at all as it was.
I don't know a lot about Norway just that their debt % vs their GDP is much lower than any other EU country so they must be doing something right. Perhaps that oil?
13 July 2018, 10:49 AM
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If we had capable politicians that they managed to negotiate a deal similar to Switzerland then that would be great but don't forget that Switzerland is where the humanity's money is stored so their situation is slightly different.
I don't know a lot about Norway just that their debt % vs their GDP is much lower than any other EU country so they must be doing something right. Perhaps that oil?
I don't know a lot about Norway just that their debt % vs their GDP is much lower than any other EU country so they must be doing something right. Perhaps that oil?
13 July 2018, 11:09 AM
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I'm pretty sick of Brexiteers lecturing on democracy.
We had a vote, and we voted to leave, we're going.
The referendum campaign centred almost entirely around immigration. Freedom of movement will come to and end as a result, therefore I suspect that most people (who voted to leave) will be content.
Why aren't people who bang on about 'the will of the people', more exercised about the colossal hole in our own democratic process. It's nearly 100 years since a UK government was elected by the majority of the voters. So we have had near permanent non-representative governments. Where's your outrage??
We had a vote, and we voted to leave, we're going.
The referendum campaign centred almost entirely around immigration. Freedom of movement will come to and end as a result, therefore I suspect that most people (who voted to leave) will be content.
Why aren't people who bang on about 'the will of the people', more exercised about the colossal hole in our own democratic process. It's nearly 100 years since a UK government was elected by the majority of the voters. So we have had near permanent non-representative governments. Where's your outrage??
13 July 2018, 12:57 PM
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I'm pretty sick of Brexiteers lecturing on democracy.
We had a vote, and we voted to leave, we're going.
The referendum campaign centred almost entirely around immigration. Freedom of movement will come to and end as a result, therefore I suspect that most people (who voted to leave) will be content.
Why aren't people who bang on about 'the will of the people', more exercised about the colossal hole in our own democratic process. It's nearly 100 years since a UK government was elected by the majority of the voters. So we have had near permanent non-representative governments. Where's your outrage??
We had a vote, and we voted to leave, we're going.
The referendum campaign centred almost entirely around immigration. Freedom of movement will come to and end as a result, therefore I suspect that most people (who voted to leave) will be content.
Why aren't people who bang on about 'the will of the people', more exercised about the colossal hole in our own democratic process. It's nearly 100 years since a UK government was elected by the majority of the voters. So we have had near permanent non-representative governments. Where's your outrage??
16 July 2018, 11:18 AM
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Whether we should or shouldn't have a 2nd vote is open for debate but I am more and more thinking we will have a 2nd vote. With 2 possible choice; 1 - stay. 2 - leave with nothing in place and start from scratch.
16 July 2018, 11:18 AM
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I'm pretty sick of Brexiteers lecturing on democracy.
We had a vote, and we voted to leave, we're going.
The referendum campaign centred almost entirely around immigration. Freedom of movement will come to and end as a result, therefore I suspect that most people (who voted to leave) will be content.
Why aren't people who bang on about 'the will of the people', more exercised about the colossal hole in our own democratic process. It's nearly 100 years since a UK government was elected by the majority of the voters. So we have had near permanent non-representative governments. Where's your outrage??
We had a vote, and we voted to leave, we're going.
The referendum campaign centred almost entirely around immigration. Freedom of movement will come to and end as a result, therefore I suspect that most people (who voted to leave) will be content.
Why aren't people who bang on about 'the will of the people', more exercised about the colossal hole in our own democratic process. It's nearly 100 years since a UK government was elected by the majority of the voters. So we have had near permanent non-representative governments. Where's your outrage??
Door swings both ways
16 July 2018, 11:32 AM
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Tidgy, if the vote had been a straight up stay or leave with nothing event do you think everyone would vote the same? I am quite sure that the majority who voted to leave thought it be as simple as "no more foreigners (especially non-whites) and we keep everything else as it is"
16 July 2018, 11:32 AM
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Fvcktards are fvcktards, whether they're in some kind of pseudo-majority or not.
16 July 2018, 11:48 AM
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All it proves is that the original referendum was wholly inadequate. It should have covered much more than asking a question which had so many different reasons for people answering one way or the other.
Agreeing to implement the result on what was effectively a 50/50 split was also stupid (for the same reasons above).
Agreeing to implement the result on what was effectively a 50/50 split was also stupid (for the same reasons above).
