hodgy0_2

Raab a Brexiteer mentioned free trade

After campaigning to leave the biggest truly free trade area in the world

Has he discovered the mythical freer than free trade - wow !!!

Ironic that he then admitted trump is a protectionist (as I pointed out upthread)

He does not sound like the sharpest tool in the box

c_maguire

Apparently a high proportion of highly paid executives are psychopaths according to some garbage I've read a number of times.
Is that my take on what a psychopath is or some other interpretation (as I suspect)?

Due to my job I've been to a few places a lot of these liberals never have .
Saudi, South Africa , Philippines, Vietnam, Russia, Ukraine etc.
Maybe they have been there, but staying in some poncy hotel in the centre and eating in 'recommended' restaurants they are none the wiser.
Listening to all the melodramatic garbage they spout about racism, discrimination, homophobia, and poverty etc regarding the West they need a wakeup call. The West is like a holiday camp. They need to get a grip.

Everybody is sick of their garbage now.

c_maguire

Judging by where we are now, our political elite don't appear to be particularly sharp either, do they?

dpb

Is possible but unlikely she was implying that the rich were creaming profits from outsourcing, rather than keeping jobs / propping up same industries back home

JDM_Stig

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alcazar

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You really believe this, don't you

dpb

In what way is it not ?

Torquemada

It may not be as bad as a massacre in Cambodia right now but it is in fact very bad. Not sure where you are based right now but it's out of hand here right now. People seem to think that because they elected a person who has made himself seem like a racist, homophobic nutjob, they can act terribly to one another.

This is not liberals getting their knickers in a twist, this is people be morons and generally embracing all the crap that is bad about people, with the excuse that it's in response to being downtrodden, which is bullsh1t.

Paben

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Democracy rules again! 😂

Turbohot

I've just found out that Trump can still be blocked from becoming the US president:

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uselec...Q&ocid=UE07DHP

I don't think that will happen.

Torquemada

The Electoral Colleges rule, Trump lost on the vote from the people, as it were. This other weird system effed it up.

Anyway, will be interesting to see what happens with the trials that Trump has coming up. Yes, they can seek to overturn Trumps election by going against the electoral college votes but I don't think that will happen either.

Just gotta suck it and see!

hodgy0_2

but the electoral college does not seem that different from UK's 1st past the post system

and indeed the same basic principle is applied in casting votes by the elected electoral college representative

and just as ultimately the elected electoral college representative have their say in who they vote for when they cast in in December

so does an elected MP in the UK, they are under no obligation to vote as the constituents want or indeed the government want

Torquemada

The problem seems to be that the Electoral College is not really any particularly knowledgeable group of people, so the locals tell me. Apparently they are just people put in place to vote on behalf of those who are out in the country - an old fashioned and now unnecessary function.

It seems that these electors are put in place in a very easy to exploit manner and I don't think it is always a fair representation of the day to day wishes of the people.

Seems all effed up and a lot of people here don't like it.

I, clearly, don't really understand why it's needed nor how the actual process is carried out when choosing an elector (as peoples opinions of how and why vary considerably, and it appears it is in fact carried out considerably differently depending on where you are, and definitely differently to the official info on gov sites).

People were told that America was broken, it wasn't. They then went to vote for something different than what they had been given in politics for years. People hate Hilary but she still won the peoples vote, however there was a bunch of people chosen y political parties to vote for them and here we have the mess we have today.

People are being threatened and abused in the street, at schools etc. it's a bit sh1tty. Now they have permission though, 'cause Trump won and that means all the migrants, n!ggers, towel heads, f@ggots and anyone else who disagrees with Trump should leave America - apparently - crazy....

Torquemada

So, speaking with one of my colleagues, as I don't understand this crap half the time, he tells me that really we should do away with the electoral colleges.

Reason being, they always vote the way they were voted in by the people. And then they voted for the parties that they represented.

Problem is, they are voted in each two years, so the people's vote for them two years ago can be different to how they feel now and this lag in the system allows for the peoples wishes NOW, to differ from their wishes at the time of the election, then you get the situation we have now, where the electoral college votes do not represent the peoples votes.

Over a year ago they elected the electoral college members, when we knew Trump was a runner but no way a front runner.

Anyway, maybe I was just writing that to help myself get it, lol.

Happy days

hodgy0_2

I may be wrong but I thought the "electoral college" was only used to elect the president

It is a purely symbolic function

Not day to day to day legislators

hodgy0_2

Best to settle by asking Alcazar, what he says it is

It will be the opposite

Torquemada

Yeah, they don't create legislation or vote it in etc., they are not there to do stuff for the parties but they are elected to represent the wishes of the people during elections. They just cast votes based on which party they are from, apparently. In the history of the electoral colleges only 2 have voted for a different party than that which they are part of.

So electors get voted in today by people with one opinion of their parties, then in 2 years time if the voters opinions have changed the elector will still be voting the way the member of the public felt two years ago.

hahahaha

dpb

Sara Palin for interior secretary


LOL

Turbohot

hodgy, you were right. It has popped up again on his website, which means just because something disappears from his website doesn't mean it's not going to be on his agenda. I understand.

http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016...site/21604038/

I've checked Trump's website. It's there again.

Well, Trump seems to be a man of his words. At least on the website.

My dumb friend on Facebook can eat his @rse kissing words for Trump now.

JTaylor

dpb

quite intresting

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/...cid=spartanntp

alcazar

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Too many rules and regs about what you can and can't do...rules which only the UK appeared to follow.....

alcazar

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LOL, still bitter, aren't you.

Admit it, you were wrong, I predicted Brexit AND Trump.
Suck it up.

alcazar

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This is DEAD right. I even said so on here a couple of pages back.

JTaylor

I predicted a backlash against the Frankfurt School 6 or 7 years ago. I was branded a racist for my criticism of Islam (more specifically offensive Jihadism) and now (in a perverse twist) receive criticism from cultural Marxists for my conversion to Christianity. Pie presents the case brilliantly. Political Correctness absolutely has its place and if you modify people's language you modify their thinking, but as I stated in a rant on FB the other day, the liberal left have overplayed their cards and, if I may, have now been trumped. You can't call white working class men names and expect them to conform; most, as has been proved by Brexit and Trump, will rebel. They will actually cut their nose off to spite their face. So, unlucky educated, middle-class, Guardian reading, fox-hunt banning, Islamist sympathising, anti-Christian, pro-choice, LGBT promoting sandal wearers. Congratulations to everyone they've chastised. And unlucky everyone else who are somewhere in the middle.

ALi-B

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As also said on the Brexit and the "why is it quiet in here" themed threads.

Media, "pundits", social/political commentators/columnists, shouty people, viral media, none of it serves our better interests. Just provoke further disillusionment and polarise opinion.

One thing that gets us going is the anti-establishment, and they exist on all sides at differing extremes. The number of people completely happy with who governs them is always a minority, give the people a means to show that they are unhappy with their current political reign without personal repercussions and this is what we get. Albeit the irony is its doubtful they'll be satisfied either way; There will always be an establishment and if you aren't with them, then you'll always be against them regardless of who it is.

JTaylor

Interesting article written six months ago by a friend of a friend.

https://medium.com/@robertloch/wake-...2e1#.fdvlw1lso

dpb

She got more votes than him

Voter turnout wasn't the problem as far I can tell

hodgy0_2

Err I was talking about our low wage, low aspiration economy, collapsing social mobility - and the fact that the Davos set had clearly won the argument post financial crisis over 5 years ago

The crazy reliance on financial services and simple asset price inflation

But these issues are not of the lefts making

When Cameron/Osborne where so effortlessly able to blame the financial crash on the Labour government, when in fact they where the direct result of financial deregulation from the right

It was obvious the average working man was hopelessly confused

hodgy0_2

Islamism does not exist in a vacuum (revisit your Adam Curtis)

And actually, having a sober reflection on events - even though Trump is clearly a snake oil salesman and crook

He is better than his likely republican alternative - Ted Cruz,

Ted Cruz has evidenceless based belief - the messianic certainty that he is doing gods will

When you deny the evidence for evolution, what evidence would ever convince you of something that does ally with you beliefs

Trump is 10 times better

Last time we had evangelical Christians running the show (bush / Blair) the world, well I say that - but we actually now it has been people in North America and the middle east

Have paid a terrible and catastrophic price

We have bombed them back to the middle ages

The ultimate irony is that we in the UK or the US have not had to carry the can

We stirred the **** jar - but let other lick the stick

Then blame any understandable local population protest as a problem of liberal left policies

Get real JT - examine your own responsibility for this cluster fvck

God does indeed work in mysterious ways