Will Trump Bottle It?
#361
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Only Conservative Dominic Raab is being pragmatic about this. No doubt some will argue that this is because the Conservatives will have to deal with Trump. Or just maybe some of the Conservatives have a better grasp on reality than the rest of the daft forever offended lot.
The blond bint has got Melodrama down to a tee.
The blond bint has got Melodrama down to a tee.
After campaigning to leave the biggest truly free trade area in the world
Has he discovered the mythical freer than free trade - wow !!!
Ironic that he then admitted trump is a protectionist (as I pointed out upthread)
He does not sound like the sharpest tool in the box
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#362
Apparently a high proportion of highly paid executives are psychopaths according to some garbage I've read a number of times.
Is that my take on what a psychopath is or some other interpretation (as I suspect)?
Due to my job I've been to a few places a lot of these liberals never have .
Saudi, South Africa , Philippines, Vietnam, Russia, Ukraine etc.
Maybe they have been there, but staying in some poncy hotel in the centre and eating in 'recommended' restaurants they are none the wiser.
Listening to all the melodramatic garbage they spout about racism, discrimination, homophobia, and poverty etc regarding the West they need a wakeup call. The West is like a holiday camp. They need to get a grip.
Everybody is sick of their garbage now.
Is that my take on what a psychopath is or some other interpretation (as I suspect)?
Due to my job I've been to a few places a lot of these liberals never have .
Saudi, South Africa , Philippines, Vietnam, Russia, Ukraine etc.
Maybe they have been there, but staying in some poncy hotel in the centre and eating in 'recommended' restaurants they are none the wiser.
Listening to all the melodramatic garbage they spout about racism, discrimination, homophobia, and poverty etc regarding the West they need a wakeup call. The West is like a holiday camp. They need to get a grip.
Everybody is sick of their garbage now.
#368
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This is not liberals getting their knickers in a twist, this is people be morons and generally embracing all the crap that is bad about people, with the excuse that it's in response to being downtrodden, which is bullsh1t.
#370
I've just found out that Trump can still be blocked from becoming the US president:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uselec...Q&ocid=UE07DHP
I don't think that will happen.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uselec...Q&ocid=UE07DHP
I don't think that will happen.
#371
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The Electoral Colleges rule, Trump lost on the vote from the people, as it were. This other weird system effed it up.
Anyway, will be interesting to see what happens with the trials that Trump has coming up. Yes, they can seek to overturn Trumps election by going against the electoral college votes but I don't think that will happen either.
Just gotta suck it and see!
Anyway, will be interesting to see what happens with the trials that Trump has coming up. Yes, they can seek to overturn Trumps election by going against the electoral college votes but I don't think that will happen either.
Just gotta suck it and see!
#372
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The Electoral Colleges rule, Trump lost on the vote from the people, as it were. This other weird system effed it up.
Anyway, will be interesting to see what happens with the trials that Trump has coming up. Yes, they can seek to overturn Trumps election by going against the electoral college votes but I don't think that will happen either.
Just gotta suck it and see!
Anyway, will be interesting to see what happens with the trials that Trump has coming up. Yes, they can seek to overturn Trumps election by going against the electoral college votes but I don't think that will happen either.
Just gotta suck it and see!
and indeed the same basic principle is applied in casting votes by the elected electoral college representative
and just as ultimately the elected electoral college representative have their say in who they vote for when they cast in in December
so does an elected MP in the UK, they are under no obligation to vote as the constituents want or indeed the government want
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#373
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but the electoral college does not seem that different from UK's 1st past the post system
and indeed the same basic principle is applied in casting votes by the elected electoral college representative
and just as ultimately the elected electoral college representative have their say in who they vote for when they cast in in December
so does an elected MP in the UK, they are under no obligation to vote as the constituents want or indeed the government want
and indeed the same basic principle is applied in casting votes by the elected electoral college representative
and just as ultimately the elected electoral college representative have their say in who they vote for when they cast in in December
so does an elected MP in the UK, they are under no obligation to vote as the constituents want or indeed the government want
It seems that these electors are put in place in a very easy to exploit manner and I don't think it is always a fair representation of the day to day wishes of the people.
Seems all effed up and a lot of people here don't like it.
I, clearly, don't really understand why it's needed nor how the actual process is carried out when choosing an elector (as peoples opinions of how and why vary considerably, and it appears it is in fact carried out considerably differently depending on where you are, and definitely differently to the official info on gov sites).
People were told that America was broken, it wasn't. They then went to vote for something different than what they had been given in politics for years. People hate Hilary but she still won the peoples vote, however there was a bunch of people chosen y political parties to vote for them and here we have the mess we have today.
People are being threatened and abused in the street, at schools etc. it's a bit sh1tty. Now they have permission though, 'cause Trump won and that means all the migrants, n!ggers, towel heads, f@ggots and anyone else who disagrees with Trump should leave America - apparently - crazy....
#374
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So, speaking with one of my colleagues, as I don't understand this crap half the time, he tells me that really we should do away with the electoral colleges.
Reason being, they always vote the way they were voted in by the people. And then they voted for the parties that they represented.
Problem is, they are voted in each two years, so the people's vote for them two years ago can be different to how they feel now and this lag in the system allows for the peoples wishes NOW, to differ from their wishes at the time of the election, then you get the situation we have now, where the electoral college votes do not represent the peoples votes.
Over a year ago they elected the electoral college members, when we knew Trump was a runner but no way a front runner.
Anyway, maybe I was just writing that to help myself get it, lol.
Happy days
Reason being, they always vote the way they were voted in by the people. And then they voted for the parties that they represented.
Problem is, they are voted in each two years, so the people's vote for them two years ago can be different to how they feel now and this lag in the system allows for the peoples wishes NOW, to differ from their wishes at the time of the election, then you get the situation we have now, where the electoral college votes do not represent the peoples votes.
Over a year ago they elected the electoral college members, when we knew Trump was a runner but no way a front runner.
Anyway, maybe I was just writing that to help myself get it, lol.
Happy days
#375
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So, speaking with one of my colleagues, as I don't understand this crap half the time, he tells me that really we should do away with the electoral colleges.
Reason being, they always vote the way they were voted in by the people. And then they voted for the parties that they represented.
Problem is, they are voted in each two years, so the people's vote for them two years ago can be different to how they feel now and this lag in the system allows for the peoples wishes NOW, to differ from their wishes at the time of the election, then you get the situation we have now, where the electoral college votes do not represent the peoples votes.
Over a year ago they elected the electoral college members, when we knew Trump was a runner but no way a front runner.
Anyway, maybe I was just writing that to help myself get it, lol.
Happy days
Reason being, they always vote the way they were voted in by the people. And then they voted for the parties that they represented.
Problem is, they are voted in each two years, so the people's vote for them two years ago can be different to how they feel now and this lag in the system allows for the peoples wishes NOW, to differ from their wishes at the time of the election, then you get the situation we have now, where the electoral college votes do not represent the peoples votes.
Over a year ago they elected the electoral college members, when we knew Trump was a runner but no way a front runner.
Anyway, maybe I was just writing that to help myself get it, lol.
Happy days
It is a purely symbolic function
Not day to day to day legislators
Last edited by hodgy0_2; 11 November 2016 at 07:13 PM.
#377
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So electors get voted in today by people with one opinion of their parties, then in 2 years time if the voters opinions have changed the elector will still be voting the way the member of the public felt two years ago.
hahahaha
#379
hodgy, you were right. It has popped up again on his website, which means just because something disappears from his website doesn't mean it's not going to be on his agenda. I understand.
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016...site/21604038/
I've checked Trump's website. It's there again.
Well, Trump seems to be a man of his words. At least on the website.
My dumb friend on Facebook can eat his @rse kissing words for Trump now.
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016...site/21604038/
I've checked Trump's website. It's there again.
but the wider point, yeah politicians don't keep their promises - wow who knew!!!!!!
My dumb friend on Facebook can eat his @rse kissing words for Trump now.
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I predicted a backlash against the Frankfurt School 6 or 7 years ago. I was branded a racist for my criticism of Islam (more specifically offensive Jihadism) and now (in a perverse twist) receive criticism from cultural Marxists for my conversion to Christianity. Pie presents the case brilliantly. Political Correctness absolutely has its place and if you modify people's language you modify their thinking, but as I stated in a rant on FB the other day, the liberal left have overplayed their cards and, if I may, have now been trumped. You can't call white working class men names and expect them to conform; most, as has been proved by Brexit and Trump, will rebel. They will actually cut their nose off to spite their face. So, unlucky educated, middle-class, Guardian reading, fox-hunt banning, Islamist sympathising, anti-Christian, pro-choice, LGBT promoting sandal wearers. Congratulations to everyone they've chastised. And unlucky everyone else who are somewhere in the middle.
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As also said on the Brexit and the "why is it quiet in here" themed threads.
Media, "pundits", social/political commentators/columnists, shouty people, viral media, none of it serves our better interests. Just provoke further disillusionment and polarise opinion.
One thing that gets us going is the anti-establishment, and they exist on all sides at differing extremes. The number of people completely happy with who governs them is always a minority, give the people a means to show that they are unhappy with their current political reign without personal repercussions and this is what we get. Albeit the irony is its doubtful they'll be satisfied either way; There will always be an establishment and if you aren't with them, then you'll always be against them regardless of who it is.
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Interesting article written six months ago by a friend of a friend.
https://medium.com/@robertloch/wake-...2e1#.fdvlw1lso
https://medium.com/@robertloch/wake-...2e1#.fdvlw1lso
#389
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The crazy reliance on financial services and simple asset price inflation
But these issues are not of the lefts making
When Cameron/Osborne where so effortlessly able to blame the financial crash on the Labour government, when in fact they where the direct result of financial deregulation from the right
It was obvious the average working man was hopelessly confused
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#390
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I predicted a backlash against the Frankfurt School 6 or 7 years ago. I was branded a racist for my criticism of Islam (more specifically offensive Jihadism) and now (in a perverse twist) receive criticism from cultural Marxists for my conversion to Christianity. Pie presents the case brilliantly. Political Correctness absolutely has its place and if you modify people's language you modify their thinking, but as I stated in a rant on FB the other day, the liberal left have overplayed their cards and, if I may, have now been trumped. You can't call white working class men names and expect them to conform; most, as has been proved by Brexit and Trump, will rebel. They will actually cut their nose off to spite their face. So, unlucky educated, middle-class, Guardian reading, fox-hunt banning, Islamist sympathising, anti-Christian, pro-choice, LGBT promoting sandal wearers. Congratulations to everyone they've chastised. And unlucky everyone else who are somewhere in the middle.
And actually, having a sober reflection on events - even though Trump is clearly a snake oil salesman and crook
He is better than his likely republican alternative - Ted Cruz,
Ted Cruz has evidenceless based belief - the messianic certainty that he is doing gods will
When you deny the evidence for evolution, what evidence would ever convince you of something that does ally with you beliefs
Trump is 10 times better
Last time we had evangelical Christians running the show (bush / Blair) the world, well I say that - but we actually now it has been people in North America and the middle east
Have paid a terrible and catastrophic price
We have bombed them back to the middle ages
The ultimate irony is that we in the UK or the US have not had to carry the can
We stirred the **** jar - but let other lick the stick
Then blame any understandable local population protest as a problem of liberal left policies
Get real JT - examine your own responsibility for this cluster fvck
God does indeed work in mysterious ways
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