Unequal Vs Equal headers
11 June 2016, 02:37 PM
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11 June 2016, 02:41 PM
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11 June 2016, 02:56 PM
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11 June 2016, 02:59 PM
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Custom made for Pat at scoobyclinic to his spec
Correct wastegates are on the manifold itself, had to shorten the take offs a little as they were quite close to the wheel. Thought the position of the gates may cause an issue with them opening prematurely ane need moving up slightly on the manifold, but since repiping the gates correctly they have performed perfectly
Correct wastegates are on the manifold itself, had to shorten the take offs a little as they were quite close to the wheel. Thought the position of the gates may cause an issue with them opening prematurely ane need moving up slightly on the manifold, but since repiping the gates correctly they have performed perfectly
I run ewg on my starlet and the noise drives me up the wall I wish I'd piped it back into the down pipe.
IainMilford, I don't know what my egt was I don't measure it. But I use launch control etc a lot so fairly high I imagine
13 June 2016, 12:16 PM
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Yep very disappointed J but I did lose interest in the car, so I am partly to blame for taking so long to look into it. All is well now though and I agree not a big fan of the screamer noise much prefer the natural exhaust note, but it would be too much pipework to even attempt to pipe them into the dp 
13 June 2016, 12:48 PM
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Well I have been away for a few days / week and seems I have opened a very debated topic it seems. Has been very interestING to read everyone's input.
I think based on the fact I am looking at majority of the car running standard with a few basic minor mods I'll be putting the standard UEL on replacing the toyosport EL. I'm not after monster 500bhp nor looking to spend much if anything (save a remap) and so the minor difference's it will make at my level will be outweighed by that boxer rumble I fell in love with as a kid and made me want a scooby ever since.
I appreciate everyone's input and always love how a forum can bring so much help and mixed opinion. Good work
I think based on the fact I am looking at majority of the car running standard with a few basic minor mods I'll be putting the standard UEL on replacing the toyosport EL. I'm not after monster 500bhp nor looking to spend much if anything (save a remap) and so the minor difference's it will make at my level will be outweighed by that boxer rumble I fell in love with as a kid and made me want a scooby ever since.
I appreciate everyone's input and always love how a forum can bring so much help and mixed opinion. Good work
14 June 2016, 01:01 PM
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15 June 2016, 07:38 PM
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I own an Evo and Scoob.
I bought the scoob for the rumble. Thats all!
The Scooby is a daily driver, there is no need for me to push it to extremes of power and get every oz of it when it is running around 340bhp. I am happy with the drive. Its a road car.
If it was a track car, I would squeeze every oz of power out of it for the performance edge. On the road no one is going to notice the difference of equal vs unequal due to road restrictions.
just my 2c
I bought the scoob for the rumble. Thats all!
The Scooby is a daily driver, there is no need for me to push it to extremes of power and get every oz of it when it is running around 340bhp. I am happy with the drive. Its a road car.
If it was a track car, I would squeeze every oz of power out of it for the performance edge. On the road no one is going to notice the difference of equal vs unequal due to road restrictions.
just my 2c
15 June 2016, 07:51 PM
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I own an Evo and Scoob.
I bought the scoob for the rumble. Thats all!
The Scooby is a daily driver, there is no need for me to push it to extremes of power and get every oz of it when it is running around 340bhp. I am happy with the drive. Its a road car.
If it was a track car, I would squeeze every oz of power out of it for the performance edge. On the road no one is going to notice the difference of equal vs unequal due to road restrictions.
just my 2c
I bought the scoob for the rumble. Thats all!
The Scooby is a daily driver, there is no need for me to push it to extremes of power and get every oz of it when it is running around 340bhp. I am happy with the drive. Its a road car.
If it was a track car, I would squeeze every oz of power out of it for the performance edge. On the road no one is going to notice the difference of equal vs unequal due to road restrictions.
just my 2c
As has already been mentioned in the thread, you will certainly notice the difference even at 300hp. And on the road drivability is king and uel drive worse than el....
15 June 2016, 07:57 PM
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My evo is 550bhp twin scroll with a so I do know the difference. The scooby is perfectly drivable on the road. Unless you are planning to use the road as a race track? Even taking another car off the lights, the difference in acceleration is marginal, particularly as people need to consider the human factor too
15 June 2016, 08:12 PM
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My evo is 550bhp twin scroll with a so I do know the difference. The scooby is perfectly drivable on the road. Unless you are planning to use the road as a race track? Even taking another car off the lights, the difference in acceleration is marginal, particularly as people need to consider the human factor too
It might be drivable, but the lag is worse, transient response is slower, and you have less midrange torque.... hey its your car, but I know I'd rather have the benefits from a properly designed manifold, no down sides and plenty of pluses.
Infact I'd say at a lower power level you would want it more responsive. Why have 340hp for it to drive like 500?
And how does a 550hp evo drive anything like a subaru? How many uel evo have you driven?
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15 June 2016, 08:36 PM
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The difference between uel and el is night and day. Not forgetting that fact that there is a significant power gains to be had....
It might be drivable, but the lag is worse, transient response is slower, and you have less midrange torque.... hey its your car, but I know I'd rather have the benefits from a properly designed manifold, no down sides and plenty of pluses.
Infact I'd say at a lower power level you would want it more responsive. Why have 340hp for it to drive like 500?
And how does a 550hp evo drive anything like a subaru? How many uel evo have you driven?
It might be drivable, but the lag is worse, transient response is slower, and you have less midrange torque.... hey its your car, but I know I'd rather have the benefits from a properly designed manifold, no down sides and plenty of pluses.
Infact I'd say at a lower power level you would want it more responsive. Why have 340hp for it to drive like 500?
And how does a 550hp evo drive anything like a subaru? How many uel evo have you driven?
Problem is most folk dont fit a £2k killer bee manifold to a 340bhp Scoob.
Are there any more affordable headers which live up to your high expectations J. As in ones which dont cost the same as a good turbo upgrade ?
I would like to see the difference between rcm uel and el ?
On same turbo.
If i paid 2k for any car part and didnt notice good gains or something better id be pissed. So no shocks that killer bee changes your car.
15 June 2016, 08:41 PM
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Its not just me who noticed the benefits, as can be seen on this thread....
Youre wanting to compare like for like, so comparing a 550hp twinscroll evo to a UEL 340hp subaru is ridiculous.....
I dont know,, I wouldnt fit anything made out of 304 stainless to my car ever again, it is cheap shonky crap IMO. Whether it be RCM or anything else it is still ****e no matter hwo good the performance gains are when you have to keep replacing them!
The manifolds are not that expensive when you factor in having to replace the RCM ones a couple of times, life time warranty will soon pay for its self...
Youre wanting to compare like for like, so comparing a 550hp twinscroll evo to a UEL 340hp subaru is ridiculous.....
I dont know,, I wouldnt fit anything made out of 304 stainless to my car ever again, it is cheap shonky crap IMO. Whether it be RCM or anything else it is still ****e no matter hwo good the performance gains are when you have to keep replacing them!
The manifolds are not that expensive when you factor in having to replace the RCM ones a couple of times, life time warranty will soon pay for its self...
15 June 2016, 08:47 PM
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Its not just me who noticed the benefits, as can be seen on this thread....
Youre wanting to compare like for like, so comparing a 550hp twinscroll evo to a UEL 340hp subaru is ridiculous.....
I dont know,, I wouldnt fit anything made out of 304 stainless to my car ever again, it is cheap shonky crap IMO. Whether it be RCM or anything else it is still ****e no matter hwo good the performance gains are when you have to keep replacing them!
The manifolds are not that expensive when you factor in having to replace the RCM ones a couple of times, life time warranty will soon pay for its self...
Youre wanting to compare like for like, so comparing a 550hp twinscroll evo to a UEL 340hp subaru is ridiculous.....
I dont know,, I wouldnt fit anything made out of 304 stainless to my car ever again, it is cheap shonky crap IMO. Whether it be RCM or anything else it is still ****e no matter hwo good the performance gains are when you have to keep replacing them!
The manifolds are not that expensive when you factor in having to replace the RCM ones a couple of times, life time warranty will soon pay for its self...
Has anyone bothered to go from stock uel to stock el ?
On same turbo ??
15 June 2016, 08:51 PM
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Problem is most folk dont fit a £2k killer bee manifold to a 340bhp Scoob.
Are there any more affordable headers which live up to your high expectations J. As in ones which dont cost the same as a good turbo upgrade ?
I would like to see the difference between rcm uel and el ?
On same turbo.
If i paid 2k for any car part and didnt notice good gains or something better id be pissed. So no shocks that killer bee changes your car.
Are there any more affordable headers which live up to your high expectations J. As in ones which dont cost the same as a good turbo upgrade ?
I would like to see the difference between rcm uel and el ?
On same turbo.
If i paid 2k for any car part and didnt notice good gains or something better id be pissed. So no shocks that killer bee changes your car.
That's the reason I bought the HKS equal lengths as they are a lot better value for money, read some good reviews across the water and several have had them on for 30k plus with no issues. I know they are made of inferior metal to the killer bees.
But I have seen a couple of posts of the killer bee up pipes splitting. I know they have a lifetime warranty but if there is any issues you will not be sending them back to America
15 June 2016, 08:54 PM
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That's the reason I bought the HKS equal lengths as they are a lot better value for money, read some good reviews across the water and several have had them on for 30k plus with no issues. I know they are made of inferior metal to the killer bees.
But I have seen a couple of posts of the killer bee up pipes splitting. I know they have a lifetime warranty but if there is any issues you will not be sending them back to America
But I have seen a couple of posts of the killer bee up pipes splitting. I know they have a lifetime warranty but if there is any issues you will not be sending them back to America
How were the gains ?
15 June 2016, 08:59 PM
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That's the reason I bought the HKS equal lengths as they are a lot better value for money, read some good reviews across the water and several have had them on for 30k plus with no issues. I know they are made of inferior metal to the killer bees.
But I have seen a couple of posts of the killer bee up pipes splitting. I know they have a lifetime warranty but if there is any issues you will not be sending them back to America
But I have seen a couple of posts of the killer bee up pipes splitting. I know they have a lifetime warranty but if there is any issues you will not be sending them back to America
However of course I'd be getting a replacement up pipe from America should anything happen. It's all part of the deal. And of course you'd send it back, it has no value broken and wont be taxed etc that's a bit of a bizarre statement to make....
15 June 2016, 09:04 PM
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They should last better than the rcm ones that's for sure. I wouldn't say they are a lot better value for money though. I'm happy with never needing to spend out for a set of manifolds again....
However of course I'd be getting a replacement up pipe from America should anything happen. It's all part of the deal. And of course you'd send it back, it has no value broken and wont be taxed etc that's a bit of a bizarre statement to make....
However of course I'd be getting a replacement up pipe from America should anything happen. It's all part of the deal. And of course you'd send it back, it has no value broken and wont be taxed etc that's a bit of a bizarre statement to make....
15 June 2016, 09:06 PM
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They should last better than the rcm ones that's for sure. I wouldn't say they are a lot better value for money though. I'm happy with never needing to spend out for a set of manifolds again....
However of course I'd be getting a replacement up pipe from America should anything happen. It's all part of the deal. And of course you'd send it back, it has no value broken and wont be taxed etc that's a bit of a bizarre statement to make....
However of course I'd be getting a replacement up pipe from America should anything happen. It's all part of the deal. And of course you'd send it back, it has no value broken and wont be taxed etc that's a bit of a bizarre statement to make....
16 June 2016, 05:52 AM
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Had then on a few years now....
