alcazar

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Not acceptable...but it's not Trump himself.

hodgy0_2

no one is accusing Trump of physical violence

but what even his non socialist colleagues are accusing him of is the following

and I quote (as I did in the other Trump thread) Ted Cruz

"When you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse"

Trump is a dangerous demagogue, full of cheap rhetoric appealing to peoples fears

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...-chicago-rally

legb4rsk

I heard Trump saying he is going to make US companies(i.e. Apple) bring all there manufacturing back to the US & create a safe zone for refugees in Syria & get the Arab nations to pay for it.I would also like to know where he is going to get all that cheap labour from for the US based manufacturing once he has built the wall on the Mexican border.

He tells bigger porkies than our politicians prior to an election & that takes some doing.
Utter populist clap-trap.

dpb

So, apparently the redneck supporters are going to work for less minimum wage lol

And everybody going to respec America authority , a bit like everybody everyone should respec Uk cos we were once a colonial power

Funkii Munkii

To quote Jason Manford

"How do you want your hair cut Mr Trump ?"

Like two hamsters fighting over an omlete

The thought of this bozzo being the leader of the free world is really quite frightening

alcazar

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Ok, but ask yourself, why?

WHY did the Germans fall for it in the 30's?
Why is Germany (and France), once again lurching towards the right?

WHY is the USA?

What's wrong?

Maybe folk have had enough of looking after everyone before them?

neil-h

Maybe because deep down we're all pretty selfish. Doesn't make it right though.

hodgy0_2

Yes the comparison between the demagoguery of the 30's is interesting

But in a way a little misleading, Europe had just recovered from the WW1, so you can excuse the chaos to some extent.

Because to me the question I would be asking if I was an American - and one of the rising number or working poor

Is simply, why in the richest country in the world are the life chances of the bottom 40% so bleak - certain sections of the populations life expectancy going down, a prison population that would shame a 3rd world dictatorship, a health system that leaves so many without healthcare

All in a period of relative peace, certainly domestically - and in an era of prosperity - the richest 10% have seen their fortunes soar to almost unimaginable levels

post war (50,60's) America was a paradise, a land where someone on a blue collar wages could afford a decent life with a sense of security send their children to college afford healthcare etc

Where has it gone wrong?

Why are some many part of the "procariat" , one wage check from poverty

alcazar

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As asked before: what's selfish about making sure YOU are OK so you CAN help others?

alcazar

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This^^^

And we have similar, although not as pronounced, in the UK.

A HUGE North-South divide, and levels of poverty in the North that have to be seen to be believed.

Yet the rich get richer, faster than ever.

gary77

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I can't find any un edited videos of trumps speaches to come to a proper conclusion

Torquemada

it is far worse here than anywhere in the UK. You get in trouble here and you are screwed. Someone at my work has been bleeding from both ends for weeks and she is now in hospital, in a bad way, all because she was previously scared about how much it would cost and left things too long.

I find it hilarious that the same people Trump will completely screw over are the same people who support him.

We joke here that the kind of thing Trump supporter complains about is "those damned Mexicans, coming over here and stealing our jobs whilst simultaneously claiming unemployment benefit". That's similar to what people say in the UK and also bloody stupid.

gary77

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Sorry , what is the point you are making ? That the migrants are all working so not claiming benefits ?

dpb

I think it's well know that 2nd generation immigrants are quite often happy enough to pull up the draw bridge

gary77

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Has anyone heard of the kalergi plan , is it real ?

dpb

you tell us

gary77

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Tell you what it is or tell you if it's real ? Best to Google it

dpb

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...ican-trade-eiu

hodgy0_2

and amazingly the US spend a whopping 17% of GDP on their health system

17%, the highest in the world by some margin, and they don't even have universal coverage - for comparison the UK is 9% Germany is 11%

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS

I suppose we could do it cheaper - Bangladesh only spend 3.7 % (best not to get ill though)

gary77

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So basically , if trump is president the world will be ****ed ,

gary77

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Is that because healthcare in America is more expensive than most other places

dpb

Afaik theres huge quantity just wont / cant afford healthcare insurance , my ole man included , hes lived there last 20 years .
So anything more than remedial treatment , say a week in hospital , and you effectively take on a mortgage

That's how big bollox , wheel barrow man got that size - and copped it

hodgy0_2

yes - which is why most bankruptcies in the US are caused by Medical bills - even by the insured!!

http://www.investopedia.com/financia...-bankrupt.aspx



1) Medical Expenses

​​​A study done at Harvard University indicates that this is the biggest cause of bankruptcy, representing 62% of all personal bankruptcies. One of the interesting caveats of this study shows that 78% of filers had some form of health insurance, thus bucking the myth that medical bills affect only the uninsured.

Rare or serious diseases or injuries can easily result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills - bills that can quickly wipe out savings and retirement accounts, college education funds and home equity. Once these have been exhausted, bankruptcy may be the only shelter left, regardless of whether the patient or his or her family was able to apply health coverage to a portion of the bill or not. (Find out what you can do to avoid a financial meltdown when there's a medical emergency. Read Steering Clear Of Medical Debt.)

lunar tick

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FTFY

gary77

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So we should hope some Muslim ,Chinese and Russian friendly person is president , someone that won't cause trouble for those people ?

I just hope Scotland doesn't end up like Sweden

neil-h

See this is what I meant in a previous thread. Yes there are people who are "poor" in the UK but they're nowhere near as badly off as they could be in somewhere like the states where you've got little or no welfare system to speak of.

hodgy0_2

I have posted this before, but simply Google image search for "Los Angeles skid row"

It looks more like Sierra Leone

alcazar

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Aha....so should we send money to the USA too?

The richest country in the world can't look after it's own...now why not?

neil-h

Are you actually capable of having a rational debate with anyone who's views don't align with yours perfectly?

hodgy0_2

Well we already do in a way

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