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24 February 2016, 02:11 PM
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24 February 2016, 02:32 PM
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You've not read what I said.
The amount we'd have back per day would go a LONG WAY to sorting out local finances. Or are you trying to tell me that, simply because the £33.6M per day is a drop in the ocean of debt your lot created, it doesn't matter? Any debt recovery agency will laugh you out of the office for that.
Your problem is that you are a bit of an IAJFEE, where the middle letter stands for jack.
If it's not affecting martin, it's either not happening, or doesn't matter.
Try being LESS selfish, mate...your liberal ideals don't match up.
The amount we'd have back per day would go a LONG WAY to sorting out local finances. Or are you trying to tell me that, simply because the £33.6M per day is a drop in the ocean of debt your lot created, it doesn't matter? Any debt recovery agency will laugh you out of the office for that.
Your problem is that you are a bit of an IAJFEE, where the middle letter stands for jack.
If it's not affecting martin, it's either not happening, or doesn't matter.
Try being LESS selfish, mate...your liberal ideals don't match up.
I do find it amusing that you would say that. You could very easily characterise the out position as the selfish one
24 February 2016, 04:10 PM
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24 February 2016, 06:52 PM
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Nope, nothing selfish at all about wanting to keep your little corner of the world safe and ****ing everyone else...
24 February 2016, 06:59 PM
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I have to say i find these constant "letters" a bit crass
They shed a lot heat but little light onto the whole debate
People should focus on the arguments, not list of people
They shed a lot heat but little light onto the whole debate
People should focus on the arguments, not list of people
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24 February 2016, 07:07 PM
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BUT WOULD THEY HELP US IF THE BOOT WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT
try moving to somalia and claiming benefits of afgan or syria or any other 3rd world country, as the running man said in the arnie film IT'S TIME TO START RUNNING in 3 years time over 1 million will have a eu passport given to them by germany sweden austria etc and will then have the right to come here, if you are a believer start praying
24 February 2016, 09:00 PM
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I'm coming round yours and help myself...I'm sure you won't mind? Can I poke your Mrs too?
After all, we need to be unselfish with everything......
24 February 2016, 09:05 PM
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sorry in advance but have to say this,i am not and never will be pc
BUT WOULD THEY HELP US IF THE BOOT WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT
try moving to somalia and claiming benefits of afgan or syria or any other 3rd world country, as the running man said in the arnie film IT'S TIME TO START RUNNING in 3 years time over 1 million will have a eu passport given to them by germany sweden austria etc and will then have the right to come here, if you are a believer start praying
BUT WOULD THEY HELP US IF THE BOOT WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT
try moving to somalia and claiming benefits of afgan or syria or any other 3rd world country, as the running man said in the arnie film IT'S TIME TO START RUNNING in 3 years time over 1 million will have a eu passport given to them by germany sweden austria etc and will then have the right to come here, if you are a believer start praying
24 February 2016, 10:15 PM
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Hang on...you think that allowing those who have put in to take out, and NOT allowing those who haven't put in to do so is somehow selfish?
I'm coming round yours and help myself...I'm sure you won't mind? Can I poke your Mrs too?
After all, we need to be unselfish with everything......
I'm coming round yours and help myself...I'm sure you won't mind? Can I poke your Mrs too?
After all, we need to be unselfish with everything......
And yes, keeping all the wealth to yourself is selfish. As more developed countries we should be trying to help those less well off, not pulling up the draw bridge and pretending it's not our problem 'cus we're ok thanks.
24 February 2016, 10:44 PM
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You need to look at the rules, current and the renegotiated.
This is the kind of myth peddling that hopefully will destroy the 'out' campaign, as surely it will end up backfiring
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24 February 2016, 10:45 PM
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And yet again you've twisted what's been said to its illogical extreme. Well done.
And yes, keeping all the wealth to yourself is selfish. As more developed countries we should be trying to help those less well off, not pulling up the draw bridge and pretending it's not our problem 'cus we're ok thanks.
And yes, keeping all the wealth to yourself is selfish. As more developed countries we should be trying to help those less well off, not pulling up the draw bridge and pretending it's not our problem 'cus we're ok thanks.
Neil, I despair at your selfish attitude
24 February 2016, 11:05 PM
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Read what Marta Andreasen has to say.about the eu Pretty shocking stuff! She was the accountant who was sacked for refusing to sign off on the accounts after she discovered *coughs* er.. 'irregularities' in the books. She was sacked
Its becoming a comedy of errors by the IN crowd. The other letter claimed M&S as signatories but its chairman a Dutchman had signed WITHOUT the boards permission and they told him he could only sign as an individual as he did not represent the companies views.
Did you see the propaganda headlines on it, AThird of UK's top 100 companies! have signed up to the in crowd, That ignores the inconvenient fact two thirds refused to sign up! in all 34 out of 36 companies who have signed up to the in brigade have recieved 93.5million in grants from the eu commission between 2007 and 2014 if that aint bribery what is ?
Its becoming a comedy of errors by the IN crowd. The other letter claimed M&S as signatories but its chairman a Dutchman had signed WITHOUT the boards permission and they told him he could only sign as an individual as he did not represent the companies views.
Did you see the propaganda headlines on it, AThird of UK's top 100 companies! have signed up to the in crowd, That ignores the inconvenient fact two thirds refused to sign up! in all 34 out of 36 companies who have signed up to the in brigade have recieved 93.5million in grants from the eu commission between 2007 and 2014 if that aint bribery what is ?
24 February 2016, 11:15 PM
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Oh so now you've read up on it, and decided that you might be on shaky ground with your argument. Michael Gove was trying this one on earlier today, so you're in good company I suppose.
btw - The Supreme isn't in the business of 'approving' things.
24 February 2016, 11:17 PM
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Read what Marta Andreasen has to say.about the eu Pretty shocking stuff! She was the accountant who was sacked for refusing to sign off on the accounts after she discovered *coughs* er.. 'irregularities' in the books. She was sacked
Its becoming a comedy of errors by the IN crowd. The other letter claimed M&S as signatories but its chairman a Dutchman had signed WITHOUT the boards permission and they told him he could only sign as an individual as he did not represent the companies views.
Did you see the propaganda headlines on it, AThird of UK's top 100 companies! have signed up to the in crowd, That ignores the inconvenient fact two thirds refused to sign up! in all 34 out of 36 companies who have signed up to the in brigade have recieved 93.5million in grants from the eu commission between 2007 and 2014 if that aint bribery what is ?
Its becoming a comedy of errors by the IN crowd. The other letter claimed M&S as signatories but its chairman a Dutchman had signed WITHOUT the boards permission and they told him he could only sign as an individual as he did not represent the companies views.
Did you see the propaganda headlines on it, AThird of UK's top 100 companies! have signed up to the in crowd, That ignores the inconvenient fact two thirds refused to sign up! in all 34 out of 36 companies who have signed up to the in brigade have recieved 93.5million in grants from the eu commission between 2007 and 2014 if that aint bribery what is ?
Keep digging...
24 February 2016, 11:42 PM
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for what more facts, no lies above martin,
even smallish uk firms are at it, the vat on private mileage being reclaimed by uk companies is just a small example of the fiddling thats going on, the girl in accounts that works for the company i work for noticed our lot are at it got the sack, its quite a simple one the member off staff has a company car,pays for all used fuel themselves, submits all fuel reciepts and gets refunded by company for company mileage, the company then claims the vat back on all fuel used, including private mileage, not one of our staff is vat registered, this is a small example of whats going on the eu would make dick turpin look a honest man
even smallish uk firms are at it, the vat on private mileage being reclaimed by uk companies is just a small example of the fiddling thats going on, the girl in accounts that works for the company i work for noticed our lot are at it got the sack, its quite a simple one the member off staff has a company car,pays for all used fuel themselves, submits all fuel reciepts and gets refunded by company for company mileage, the company then claims the vat back on all fuel used, including private mileage, not one of our staff is vat registered, this is a small example of whats going on the eu would make dick turpin look a honest man
24 February 2016, 11:49 PM
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for what more facts, no lies above martin,
even smallish uk firms are at it, the vat on private mileage being reclaimed by uk companies is just a small example of the fiddling thats going on, the girl in accounts that works for the company i work for noticed our lot are at it got the sack, its quite a simple one the member off staff has a company car,pays for all used fuel themselves, submits all fuel reciepts and gets refunded by company for company mileage, the company then claims the vat back on all fuel used, including private mileage, not one of our staff is vat registered, this is a small example of whats going on the eu would make dick turpin look a honest man
even smallish uk firms are at it, the vat on private mileage being reclaimed by uk companies is just a small example of the fiddling thats going on, the girl in accounts that works for the company i work for noticed our lot are at it got the sack, its quite a simple one the member off staff has a company car,pays for all used fuel themselves, submits all fuel reciepts and gets refunded by company for company mileage, the company then claims the vat back on all fuel used, including private mileage, not one of our staff is vat registered, this is a small example of whats going on the eu would make dick turpin look a honest man
Is the above related to the EU? Why haven't you handed them in?
Like I've said before, I'm no starry eyed fan of the EU, and I know that there are less than savoury practices happening. These activities are illegal and should be dealt with accordingly. But you cannot infer that this makes the whole EU corrupt.
You claim 'facts', and indeed you claim that 'as a fact' that 64 leading companies refused to sign that letter, but that's not actually a 'fact' is it? That's a complete twisting of the facts!
25 February 2016, 12:05 AM
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Please give me some examples of this.
You've already shown that I was entirely right on the 90% claim (thanks again for that btw). Usually it's not me 'misrepresenting other people's views' it's me showing how those views are misrepresenting the facts (the case in point being a good one)
25 February 2016, 12:14 AM
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Is the above related to the EU? Why haven't you handed them in?
Like I've said before, I'm no starry eyed fan of the EU, and I know that there are less than savoury practices happening. These activities are illegal and should be dealt with accordingly. But you cannot infer that this makes the whole EU corrupt.
You claim 'facts', and indeed you claim that 'as a fact' that 64 leading companies refused to sign that letter, but that's not actually a 'fact' is it? That's a complete twisting of the facts!
Like I've said before, I'm no starry eyed fan of the EU, and I know that there are less than savoury practices happening. These activities are illegal and should be dealt with accordingly. But you cannot infer that this makes the whole EU corrupt.
You claim 'facts', and indeed you claim that 'as a fact' that 64 leading companies refused to sign that letter, but that's not actually a 'fact' is it? That's a complete twisting of the facts!
25 February 2016, 12:19 AM
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Hang on...you think that allowing those who have put in to take out, and NOT allowing those who haven't put in to do so is somehow selfish?
I'm coming round yours and help myself...I'm sure you won't mind? Can I poke your Mrs too?
After all, we need to be unselfish with everything......
I'm coming round yours and help myself...I'm sure you won't mind? Can I poke your Mrs too?
After all, we need to be unselfish with everything......
That's a bizarre argument, and has nothing to do with the EU.
Your attitude is entirely selfish. Pretty much everything you post is based upon self interest, yet somehow you twist things into some strange deflection that it's everyone you disagree with that is somehow out for themselves.
Truly mind boggling
25 February 2016, 12:23 AM
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oh sorry i hadn't realised all 100 ftse companies had signed up to stay in my bad, i do know of 1 that hasn't , the one i work for, we are in uk italy france germany spain finland sweden portugal iceland turkey dubai ireland companies like this wont be bothered by trading problems between countries they will just trade between companies all owned by the one group, proof of this just yesterday i wanted a part stocked by our spanish devision the cost of said part was £19.82 in spain but £11.76 in uk
By your odd logic, I could claim that 64 companies had refused to sign a letter for the out campaign, and therefore it's 36 - 0 for 'In'.
For the record, having not signed a letter, and refusing to sign a letter a very, very different things
25 February 2016, 12:37 AM
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odd not rearly just voting logic 51% needed to win, 64% withholding vote therefor no win just a pointless poll, at the end of the day it's up to the population for once, and about time to, to many people/company leaders have had their own interests making decisions/rules for all of us for far to long imho
25 February 2016, 12:39 AM
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odd not rearly just voting logic 51% needed to win, 64% withholding vote therefor no win just a pointless poll, at the end of the day it's up to the population for once, and about time to, to many people/company leaders have had their own interests making decisions/rules for all of us for far to long imho
As Hodgy would say... 'this is just anti-knowledge'
It wasn't a vote or a poll; but if it was, it would be 100% for in and 0% for out.
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25 February 2016, 12:59 AM
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25 February 2016, 06:26 AM
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LOL, go back and read your own post if you're so clever 
I may have shown that you were right with regards to the precise percentages involved, but by demonstrating that the number of males travelling here from Syria etc are more than double the number of females, you were completely wrong in terms of the general point being made.
I may have shown that you were right with regards to the precise percentages involved, but by demonstrating that the number of males travelling here from Syria etc are more than double the number of females, you were completely wrong in terms of the general point being made.
25 February 2016, 08:35 AM
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He's got some funny values has our Alcazar. For ever condemning Thatcher and the Torys for ruining the north, yet more than happy to leave those that actually need help to rot.
How come? It was meant as a swipe at young Mr Alcazar.
How come? It was meant as a swipe at young Mr Alcazar.
25 February 2016, 10:49 AM
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LOL, go back and read your own post if you're so clever
I may have shown that you were right with regards to the precise percentages involved, but by demonstrating that the number of males travelling here from Syria etc are more than double the number of females, you were completely wrong in terms of the general point being made.
I may have shown that you were right with regards to the precise percentages involved, but by demonstrating that the number of males travelling here from Syria etc are more than double the number of females, you were completely wrong in terms of the general point being made.
LOL - that's pretty convoluted
I never once claimed that there wasn't more young men than women, not once. I took issue with the blatant, and wilful exaggeration of the facts.
25 February 2016, 11:56 AM
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I know but by implication that makes me the same, which I'd hope wasn't the case