It doesn't take much googling to work out the facts!

http://www.maritime-executive.com/ar...raws-criticism
So first up, if a port runs its own services, it can continue to run them if it chooses and doesn't need to put them out to tender, although it seems this was not the case in the original draft!

It seems the majority of criticism of the regulations comes from the shipping companies and to do with variation of charges from port to port!

The UK's concern is more regarding the port access charges being set nationally rather than a port-by-port basis and how this affects them commercially as independent ports vs continental ports with state funding. What is perhaps a good thing is that any state funding will have to be declared under the new rules and may form the basis for unfair competition claims from independent ports!

As a general note, not just to do with ports. No commercial business can be forced to accept one tender over another be it on price or other basis. Any commercial business can make its own decision on its commercial contracts. What may be an issue to UK commercial ports who do tender services contracts, is because the access fees will be set nationally and no longer by the ports, they may have to accept lower bidders for commercial reasons as they can no longer hike their prices to cover more expensive 'preferred' service providers!

 

So as I suspected just more noise which wilts in the face of a little investigation...or worse case scenario willful ignorance

 

Looks like the first raft was amended in the face of criticism.

 

Looks like Alain has had enough

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.e...oid-orange-gb#

 

So the Fox is out, and fancy Gove having merely 14 extra votes to show for; in compare to the Crabb who has been under the rock during the hoo-haa time. And look at the other lady who seems to be the second lead.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...Q&ocid=UE07DHP

Shame on Gove!

 

The problem I have with it is just that - noise

And like moths to a flame it attacts people, people who want & need to feel "rage"

To make sense of their parlous existence

And they have had a relentless drip drip of this bullocks for nearly 30 years, I honestly think if the Express ran an article saying all babies born in the EU had to be tattooed, under the armpit with the Euro flag, people would uncritically believe it

It really has been a tragic couple of weeks for the UK, and sadly for simple rational common sense

 

Wow, even if Leadsome got all the other votes, she'd still be one short of May's total for that round!

 

Yes, but most interesting is the state of that Gove. Not surprised that Boris thought it was better to use Gove like a human shield than facing such a shame.

 

Ultimately Boris didn't believe in the **** he was selling

But unfortunately quite a few bought it anyway

 

yes, I agree. He didn't believe in the shyte what he was selling because he knew it was bull shyte. USP was immigration and rest was the whole load of lies. He sold the shyte alright, and he also believed in his ever hypnotic charms. Sadly for him and fortunately for the rest of the nation, his hypnosis didn't work. Bleddy good news. For now, anyway. You really don't know what people are capable of. If they fell for all that shyte, they might fall for his repaired charms in future. I don't think he's finished yet. Time will tell.

 

I'd also like to add that with others' co-operation, Boris has been successful to knock Camo off his post; with all this Brexit shyte. Although his plan to be the next PM hasn't worked out this time round, he has still achieved something there, hasn't he.

 

There are large numbers of Christians that, like DYK, have voted leave on the AntiChrist ticket. The most frustrating thing for me is that the experts (my pastor, 'Glen the Poet' who's also a CofE minister and dozens of other men who study scripture daily) say the Brexit/Daniel/Revelation conflation is textually implausible balderdash! Even a couple of Christians I know who are literalists have dismissed it as irrational, lol!! So here again we have the experts losing out to the dilettante and the popinjay.

 

Anti-knowledge JT

I have been saying it for years

 

Because, of course, there have actually been NO EU regs, rules or laws that have had ANY negative impact on the UK or her citzens.......

 

As with most rules, where they have a negative impact on one person they usually have a positive impact on another. Usually, the positives far outweigh the negatives, but you only ever hear about the negatives!

There are of course some rules (EU or direct UK) which are good intentioned but perhaps badly implemented or open to abuse, the result of which is an overall negative impact, but these are generally the exception!

One interesting statistic that came out during the referendum debate (sorry was on TV so don't have a link), was there was a total of 8 EU rules over 43 years of membership that went against the will of the British government. So in our entire membership we have only been 'forced' by the EU to do something we didn't want to a total of 8 times! Unfortunately they didn't say what those 8 rules were! On the other side, the rules we wanted, amounted to a few thousand!

 

Reporting this morning is that the EU-Canadian deal is likely to collapse, something to do with the EU not involving the member countries on the deal- doh

Hungarian October referendum

Italy going against EU rules supporting it own banks from collapse

Italian elections this autumn

French elections next year followed by Germany

Austria to re run presidential elections due to postal voting irregularities

Austria said it will leave EU if it fast tracks Turkey

Middle east/ African migration into Europe nearly doubled over last years figures, as over 220,000 arrived by boats into Greece, Italy and Spain

Busy time ahead for EU?

UK leaving the EU, removed the sticking plaster over the festering sore!

 

Well, we know you are pro-EU, but you have missed out the numerous times member states ignore the rules, regs and laws if it doesn't suit them...whereas we don't.

We have been paying heavily to be a member of a club where everyone cheats, and gets away with it, but us. And meanwhile, our club fees have paid for basket-case economies to rip jobs off from us.

No more!

PS: eight we didn't want? They didn't say WHICH eight because it was b/s, pure and simple, and would have been shown as such if they had

 

You keep going on about other countries cheating and getting away with it, but have presented no evidence of anyone actually breaking any rules and not being punished for it!

Even if they are breaking ruled, do you really believe that we don't break any rules either?

You went on about the steel industry in the other thread, but I haven't found any evidence of any rule breaking by Germany or Italy! Yes they pay subsidies to reduce energy costs, which the UK has done too, but I didn't find anything saying rules were broken! This is an interesting article on the Steel industry problems:
https://next.ft.com/content/d91c122c...b-fc683b5e52db

As for not saying which the eight rules were, it wasn't really the point of the interview, the presenter actually stated it was 5, the Brexiter politician then claimed it was 8, to which the presenter responded "5 or 8 does it really matter compared to how many we voted for?"! The politician didn't really want to go into that number!

 

Here's another story about state aid payments to the German steel industry dating from the mid 90's. They were ordered to repay the aid! They broke the rules - they did not get away with it!
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/inspir...e-aid-rules-2/

 

Gold still rising , fast

 

EU nations are now to vote on the new border agency which allows each EU nation to introduce border control.

Real prospect of free movement coming to an end within the EU

 

Bmwhere, do you REALLY think there's loads of stories out there about rule breaking? It gets hushed up.

Here's three for you, all France.

1. In the days of herring quotas, French boats were landing herring in defiance of EU rules. The harbour master turned a blind eye. I saw him do it myself on Look North.

2. The French government have, as long as I've owned property here, and in defiance of EU dictat, been charging TVA at a far lower rate on renovations carried out by French registered trades persons, than their normal rate. Every year the EU tells them they can't do that, every year, they promise not to do it again.

3. Look up the hidden state aid to Alsthom over the last five years......it'll make your eyes water. No sanctions.

As for steel, do you come from a steel town? Do you know anyone inside the steel industry? If not, and your "knowledge" is coming from the media, or worse, Google, I'd quite down if I were you. You're making yourself look soft.

 

That would be interesting, that would assuage all the anti immigration brigade whilst allowing us to keep the benefits of EU membership and avoiding economic meltdown!

 

Once again, all you do is highlight issues that we create. If they can, we can, so it's not the fault of the EU, is it?

By the same token, you can't trust anything from a person who has been affected by the decline of the steel industry as they have a biaised view. It works both ways.

Talk to any coal miner about Thatcher, try and get a reasoned response.

Of course, his information could be coming from an independent source, which is more likely to be closer to the truth, you don't know, so you are no better placed to comment than he is, by your reckoning.

 

This has only come about due to UK leaving the EU. The UK is leaving the EU.

This plan is to head off Hungary's referendum and Austria's border control with Italy.

It is a bit late by the EU. I truly believe the EU has hit the buffers and needs to be dissolved

 

I would agree it needs to be reformed, but I don't think dissolved.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...roperty-bubble


Just bit more devolement of power and quicker

 

So, and in your own words, precisely what IS the point of a club where everyone ignores rules that they don't like?



I know who I'd rather talk to about steel: a steelworks manager or the biased media.

And as for Thatcher, well we all know how THAT ended. We are sitting on millions of tons of coal, enough for 300 years, yet we import it while men sit idle. Reasoned response? She was a spiteful ****.

 

But everybody doesn't ignore the rules do they. More wild exaggeration.


Scargill was just as much of a 'character'...your emotive language proves Geeza's point; you cannot be objective on the subject. I think most will have empathy but it doesn't make you right.

 

Germany meanwhile uses more and more coal ...



Albeit very cleanly , apparently