Terrorists

http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/23/11...hones-says-wsj

 

If Apple made the software to unlock their own phone, once it's done, it's done forever. You can't go back after that. And do you really think the FBI won't be back again and again asking for the same.

Every time it would be for less and less important reasons. Start with a terrorirst, then a politician, media mogul, bloke next door, you.

It's really not a great idea.

These people that use the argument I've got nothing to hide. Imagine there's a knock on your door, the feds want to come in and just look around your house, go through your draws, look in your cupboards, bins, start up your computer, look at your emails, web history, etc.

Are you seriously saying you would just say "Yeh, come in, help yourselves, do you want a coffee?".

 

Bill might not have any

Microsoft have a few - and most pay, unlike Facebook

 

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...phones-1315595

So much for all the people who argue it would be a one time thing...

 

Pretty sure Facebook made a few quid last year, made me enough.

Microsoft don't think it's a good idea, don't be like Bill.

 

Thing is , this security is iphones last selling bastion over anything else . Take the notion away and it'll tank I suspect

 

Now you're trolling.

 

I don't think so , Iv got one remember
Just my opinion

 

I'm not really talking about the financials tbh

my point is Microsoft will have a view on customer's data security and privacy on web based applications and data storage

remember MS own Hotmail, Skype, Azure, and Office 365 (Exchange / SharePoint / Skype 4 Business / Onedrive) and Nokia

so to pretend that MS do not have skin in this game is laughable

 

Microsoft absolutely do, Bill Gates is just an opinion and the opinion you posted was based on manipulated quotes and not the facts, he's cleared that up. You can search for it and retract your post if you like.

 

sure if I have assumed incorrectly that the reference to Bill was simply short hand for MS then absolutely, happy to be corrected

as you say his is just an opinion

MS do obviously have a view - tbh I don't what their stance is, I would have though they would support Apple stance

 

Which makes everything you've said nonsense. "Mr Gates would not agree" posted shortly after a false story regarding Mr Gates was published, you later claim that was shorthand for MS whilst saying you don't know their stance. Give it up man.

 

The latest round is that DoJ have been refused access to the iPhone in question owned by the drug dealer.

I presume this will run and run through the courts.

 

I think what your'e saying is... in a separate case a judge has ruled that Apple cannot be forced to unlock an iPhone. It's a win, but not a huge one as it doesn't affect the San Bernadino case.

 

I've.caught bits here and there, quite interesting, one of them gave Apple's lawyer a good slapping.

 

BBC write up is pretty good

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35704103

 

US law is very different to UK law thats for sure.

 

My son showed me how to unlock an iPhone 5 or 6 today, which was incredibly easy. I must be missing something, or this is very recent, so come on, what have I missed? If my son can get in one, why can't the FBI?

 

Not about having anything to hide.

Its called privacy, one of the most basic human rights.

But having said that, you do know that all of our data is harvested and stored anyway. NSA, GCHQ and the like all harvest data, with or without permission. It makes no difference to them in the long run, they will continue to collect as much data as they can lay their hands on, by any means necessary.

Snowdon simply let the kitten out of the bag, there are many and much bigger cats waiting to be freed!

Asking, or in this case, telling Apple, or any other company that deals with personal data to provide access to their encryption simply makes it easier for them to harvest this data. In fact there would be no point in providing any form of encryption at all.

But if these agencies want this data to prevent criminal activity, then fine, I have no issue with that. But it wont stop there will it.

What if other people access our personal data. With the correct data, you can play god with someones life. Not just financially, but socially also.

But at the same time, even if access is provided to particular agencies, criminals, terrorist and the like will simply use other methods to communicate. Its not difficult to provide a secure communications tunnel that is impenetrable or used in such a manner that they are quickly used and dropped before anyone or anything can begin to gain access to eavesdrop. These days there are so many ways to use networks, satellites, even animals to communicate securely! Its a never ending game of cat and mouse.

I was in IT Security for about 10 years, I provided my skills to several different companies, some in the public sector. I know how this game used to work, and I doubt it has changed much!

Some might say that a lot of whats happening in the world right now boils down to oil and gold. Thats part of the equation, but it does go deeper, and privacy is part of the plan. And part of the plan is to have complete control over all of our personal data. Not just to provide supposed security of our wellbeing, but also for the various governments own gains.

If the terrorist continue to attack, continue to cause turmoil, surely we should all hand over our data to prevent them from doing so? But are they actually terrorists, could these terrorist not be our very own government posing as terrorist to create enough fear to make us believe and feel that we need to hand over our data to become secure?

Sound too far fetched doesn't it?

 

Unlocking a phone which you have physical access to, and gaining access remotely are very very different things.

 

If you tried it you'd know the answer.

 

I did, it takes about 20 seconds, so I can then access all the stuff on the phone, so I must be missing something? Or as I said, this is a fairly new thing.

So come on, enlighten me, I am genuinely interested to know why the FBI push Apple to unlock this phone if it's so easy to access.

This method uses Siri, does the phone in question not have Siri?

 

It doesn't work, the fingerprint reader unlocks the phone.

 

Ah ok, so it's misleading as person doing the unlock is the person who's phone it is?


That's ok, I thought it was too obvious, hence my missing something comment.

 

It's somewhat amusing as the producer of the video realised but it was too late, viral.

 

that apple unlock video has been watched by 56million people lol, it works though son showed me weeks ago. sad but true...

 

Wish mine would. I retrain/relearn it, it works for a bit, then stops again.

I'd be screwed if fingerprints were used for card payments.

 

Filthy manual worker

 

Interesting piece on the bbc this afternoon

A commentator (seemed pretty qualified) was commentating on the recent Snowden revelation that the CIA/NSA had the technology and wherewithal to break into the iPhone - and the FBI saying they need Apples help to access the data was bullsh1t

He said absolutely - the FBI are grandstanding

 

My hands are clean, I've just scrubbed the fingerprints off them

Even my doctor told me to wash less often