Apple ruining small businesses
08 February 2016, 08:50 AM
#31
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I'm pretty sure that if you wipe a Subaru ECU it won't work and you won't find an official way of restoring it made available by Subaru, they'll want you to bring it to them. Now, there may well be a hack that can flash the ECU and there may well be a hack to flash the SecureID, but neither will be supported by the OEM. Best get the pitchforks out anyhow.
08 February 2016, 09:49 AM
#33
Jack and other Apple users.....when you buy a new phone does it say in the terms and conditions that any non-apple repair will result in your phone being bricked?
If I buy a car and then make modifications to it outside of the scope of the purchase then I can understand the manufacturer invalidating the warranty but what Apple are doing is akin to the car manufacturer coming to my house and blowing my car up because I repaired my brakes with non-OEM brake parts.
If I buy a car and then make modifications to it outside of the scope of the purchase then I can understand the manufacturer invalidating the warranty but what Apple are doing is akin to the car manufacturer coming to my house and blowing my car up because I repaired my brakes with non-OEM brake parts.
08 February 2016, 10:21 AM
#34
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Jack and other Apple users.....when you buy a new phone does it say in the terms and conditions that any non-apple repair will result in your phone being bricked?
If I buy a car and then make modifications to it outside of the scope of the purchase then I can understand the manufacturer invalidating the warranty but what Apple are doing is akin to the car manufacturer coming to my house and blowing my car up because I repaired my brakes with non-OEM brake parts.
If I buy a car and then make modifications to it outside of the scope of the purchase then I can understand the manufacturer invalidating the warranty but what Apple are doing is akin to the car manufacturer coming to my house and blowing my car up because I repaired my brakes with non-OEM brake parts.
08 February 2016, 10:37 AM
#35
Weak argument Jack. The parts that are replaced work fine on the phone. Apple simply brick your phone because they were not replaced at a place of their choosing.
If the ECU makes the car not work I simply replace the ECU again for one that does. The non-working ECU does not make my car unusable for eternity.
But you also did not answer my question about the T&C's.
If the ECU makes the car not work I simply replace the ECU again for one that does. The non-working ECU does not make my car unusable for eternity.
But you also did not answer my question about the T&C's.
08 February 2016, 10:46 AM
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At least with the phone they can helpfully toss the thing into a handy receptacle , where's the car remains you'd have to remove yourself at cost
08 February 2016, 10:55 AM
#37
Having a closed environment for warranty and repair is fine. Apple are well within their right to not repair a phone that has been repaired elsewhere.
What they are not allowed to do is completely destroy the functionality of a phone with all the customers photos, messages and contacts without the owners permission.
Apple will be made to compensate and send out another update so that a customer has the choice to destroy their own phone. I bet virtually all those who have had non sanctioned repair will decline apple updates.
Let's see what happens but apple have made a commercial and publicity c@ck up
What they are not allowed to do is completely destroy the functionality of a phone with all the customers photos, messages and contacts without the owners permission.
Apple will be made to compensate and send out another update so that a customer has the choice to destroy their own phone. I bet virtually all those who have had non sanctioned repair will decline apple updates.
Let's see what happens but apple have made a commercial and publicity c@ck up
08 February 2016, 10:58 AM
#38
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Weak argument Jack. The parts that are replaced work fine on the phone. Apple simply brick your phone because they were not replaced at a place of their choosing.
If the ECU makes the car not work I simply replace the ECU again for one that does. The non-working ECU does not make my car unusable for eternity.
But you also did not answer my question about the T&C's.
If the ECU makes the car not work I simply replace the ECU again for one that does. The non-working ECU does not make my car unusable for eternity.
But you also did not answer my question about the T&C's.
It's not weak at all, it's very normal, but don't let that stop you getting the pitchforks out.
08 February 2016, 10:59 AM
#39
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Having a closed environment for warranty and repair is fine. Apple are well within their right to not repair a phone that has been repaired elsewhere.
What they are not allowed to do is completely destroy the functionality of a phone with all the customers photos, messages and contacts without the owners permission.
Apple will be made to compensate and send out another update so that a customer has the choice to destroy their own phone. I bet virtually all those who have had non sanctioned repair will decline apple updates.
Let's see what happens but apple have made a commercial and publicity c@ck up
What they are not allowed to do is completely destroy the functionality of a phone with all the customers photos, messages and contacts without the owners permission.
Apple will be made to compensate and send out another update so that a customer has the choice to destroy their own phone. I bet virtually all those who have had non sanctioned repair will decline apple updates.
Let's see what happens but apple have made a commercial and publicity c@ck up
08 February 2016, 11:55 AM
#42
No they don't work fine, they're not linked to the secure enclave, that's not working fine. Same as the car you can simply replace the Touch ID button again, and just like the car you'll need to use an official one.
It's not weak at all, it's very normal, but don't let that stop you getting the pitchforks out.
It's not weak at all, it's very normal, but don't let that stop you getting the pitchforks out.
Basically what you are saying is Apple are perfectly ok to say "buy our phone but dont repair it with us and we will destroy your phone"?
Still not answered about the T&C's.....
08 February 2016, 12:31 PM
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Thats not true, the button needs to be coded to the secure enclave, your bloke down the shop might one day be able to do that but right now he can't. He shouldn't have told you he could repair it, if he'd read up he'd know he can't, but he took your money and left you with a bricked phone, but Apple are the ******* here. 
To be honest this is starting to feel like a similar argument that involved BMW. The big bad multinational was taken to court (and lost) because only main dealers were allowed access to the software to program replacement key fobs. It was decreed in court that BMW had to make this software available to everyone. Then lo and behold BMWs were being stolen left right and center by people using home made replacement key fobs.
08 February 2016, 12:36 PM
#45
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I'm pretty sure that if you wipe a Subaru ECU it won't work and you won't find an official way of restoring it made available by Subaru, they'll want you to bring it to them. Now, there may well be a hack that can flash the ECU and there may well be a hack to flash the SecureID, but neither will be supported by the OEM. Best get the pitchforks out anyhow.
What apple are saying you have to use them to repair it. You don't have to use Subaru or any manufacturers main dealer to repair or service your car and retain the warranty. The law is very specific about that.
08 February 2016, 12:40 PM
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I believe he's referring to the software licensing agreement (which will be similar on a Windows device). In essence you own the device but are licensing the software from Apple/Microsoft.
08 February 2016, 01:59 PM
#47
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"link bait title" .. you click it .. so it worked ..
Security? someone fixing a screen? a button? seriously? there are thousands of little phone repair companies that survive on these little repairs.
What happens when the repairs stop coming in? er..? open your eyes.
**** sake
Security? someone fixing a screen? a button? seriously? there are thousands of little phone repair companies that survive on these little repairs.
What happens when the repairs stop coming in? er..? open your eyes.
**** sake
Seriously. Think this one through. Its one repair type. The one, out of all of them, you'd want done right.
Most of the repairs are screen replacements. That's what these wee companies survive on. That and unblocking stolen phones (given that you can unlock for free on most networks these days)
More importantly, how do we know that the phone is actually junk after the software detects a non oem part? Apple's own release states that the touch id and use of apple pay is disabled. Is that not exactly what some of the haters posting on here were suggesting should happen?
So - what if the phone is in fact rendered inoperative by the error code.
From the source you linked to:
In its report, the Guardian cites the experiences of a freelance photographer, Antonio Olmos, who says the problem occurred on his phone after he upgraded its software.
"When Olmos, who says he has spent thousands of pounds on Apple products over the years, took it to an Apple store in London, staff told him there was nothing they could do, and that his phone was now junk," the paper reported
I'd put money on the fact that this happened:
"When Olmos, who says he has spent thousands of pounds on Apple products over the years, took it to an Apple store in London, staff told him there was nothing they could do for free, and that he'd need a replacement Apple part to make it work. Olmos, being as tight as he was not to have an apple repair in the first threw his dummy out the pram, and having stormed home in a temper he realised that his phone was now junk unless he saw sense and paid fro a proper repair."
I smashed my phone screen last summer. Apple repaired it same day for £25 more than the phone repair centre would have charged me. Its a £500 piece of complex kit. I'd rather have it done properly, thanks.
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08 February 2016, 02:04 PM
#48
No they don't work fine, they're not linked to the secure enclave, that's not working fine. Same as the car you can simply replace the Touch ID button again, and just like the car you'll need to use an official one.
It's not weak at all, it's very normal, but don't let that stop you getting the pitchforks out.
It's not weak at all, it's very normal, but don't let that stop you getting the pitchforks out.
Still Apple will at least give you cash for your bricked phone, about a third of the original value, about the same as an Apple repair of the home button. They've just announced a trade in programme for bricked phones. Who else would have come up with that? Thank you Apple, you're the best, here's my a-hole ready to be shafted.
08 February 2016, 02:17 PM
#49
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Seriously. Think this one through. Its one repair type. The one, out of all of them, you'd want done right.
Most of the repairs are screen replacements. That's what these wee companies survive on. That and unblocking stolen phones (given that you can unlock for free on most networks these days)
More importantly, how do we know that the phone is actually junk after the software detects a non oem part? Apple's own release states that the touch id and use of apple pay is disabled. Is that not exactly what some of the haters posting on here were suggesting should happen?
So - what if the phone is in fact rendered inoperative by the error code.
From the source you linked to:
In its report, the Guardian cites the experiences of a freelance photographer, Antonio Olmos, who says the problem occurred on his phone after he upgraded its software.
"When Olmos, who says he has spent thousands of pounds on Apple products over the years, took it to an Apple store in London, staff told him there was nothing they could do, and that his phone was now junk," the paper reported
I'd put money on the fact that this happened:
"When Olmos, who says he has spent thousands of pounds on Apple products over the years, took it to an Apple store in London, staff told him there was nothing they could do for free, and that he'd need a replacement Apple part to make it work. Olmos, being as tight as he was not to have an apple repair in the first threw his dummy out the pram, and having stormed home in a temper he realised that his phone was now junk unless he saw sense and paid fro a proper repair."
I smashed my phone screen last summer. Apple repaired it same day for £25 more than the phone repair centre would have charged me. Its a £500 piece of complex kit. I'd rather have it done properly, thanks.
Seriously. Think this one through. Its one repair type. The one, out of all of them, you'd want done right.
Most of the repairs are screen replacements. That's what these wee companies survive on. That and unblocking stolen phones (given that you can unlock for free on most networks these days)
More importantly, how do we know that the phone is actually junk after the software detects a non oem part? Apple's own release states that the touch id and use of apple pay is disabled. Is that not exactly what some of the haters posting on here were suggesting should happen?
So - what if the phone is in fact rendered inoperative by the error code.
From the source you linked to:
In its report, the Guardian cites the experiences of a freelance photographer, Antonio Olmos, who says the problem occurred on his phone after he upgraded its software.
"When Olmos, who says he has spent thousands of pounds on Apple products over the years, took it to an Apple store in London, staff told him there was nothing they could do, and that his phone was now junk," the paper reported
I'd put money on the fact that this happened:
"When Olmos, who says he has spent thousands of pounds on Apple products over the years, took it to an Apple store in London, staff told him there was nothing they could do for free, and that he'd need a replacement Apple part to make it work. Olmos, being as tight as he was not to have an apple repair in the first threw his dummy out the pram, and having stormed home in a temper he realised that his phone was now junk unless he saw sense and paid fro a proper repair."
I smashed my phone screen last summer. Apple repaired it same day for £25 more than the phone repair centre would have charged me. Its a £500 piece of complex kit. I'd rather have it done properly, thanks.
http://www.macworld.com/article/3030...-security.html
08 February 2016, 05:12 PM
#50
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Fair enough, my bad.
To be honest this is starting to feel like a similar argument that involved BMW. The big bad multinational was taken to court (and lost) because only main dealers were allowed access to the software to program replacement key fobs. It was decreed in court that BMW had to make this software available to everyone. Then lo and behold BMWs were being stolen left right and center by people using home made replacement key fobs.
To be honest this is starting to feel like a similar argument that involved BMW. The big bad multinational was taken to court (and lost) because only main dealers were allowed access to the software to program replacement key fobs. It was decreed in court that BMW had to make this software available to everyone. Then lo and behold BMWs were being stolen left right and center by people using home made replacement key fobs.
08 February 2016, 05:13 PM
#51
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The phones were working fine and fully functioning third party repaired phones prior to the update. If having an update that permanently bricks your device and making all your data unrecoverable without any warning when all previous updates were successful is your idea of "normal" and completely acceptable, well then you're more detached from reality than I previously thought.
Still Apple will at least give you cash for your bricked phone, about a third of the original value, about the same as an Apple repair of the home button. They've just announced a trade in programme for bricked phones. Who else would have come up with that? Thank you Apple, you're the best, here's my a-hole ready to be shafted.
Still Apple will at least give you cash for your bricked phone, about a third of the original value, about the same as an Apple repair of the home button. They've just announced a trade in programme for bricked phones. Who else would have come up with that? Thank you Apple, you're the best, here's my a-hole ready to be shafted.
08 February 2016, 05:17 PM
#52
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Bad analogy jack, your talking about OEM parts, not repair work.
What apple are saying you have to use them to repair it. You don't have to use Subaru or any manufacturers main dealer to repair or service your car and retain the warranty. The law is very specific about that.
What apple are saying you have to use them to repair it. You don't have to use Subaru or any manufacturers main dealer to repair or service your car and retain the warranty. The law is very specific about that.
08 February 2016, 07:44 PM
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08 February 2016, 08:44 PM
#58
Scooby Senior
Well it didn't take as long I thought
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...error-53-codes
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...error-53-codes
08 February 2016, 08:52 PM
#59
Scooby Senior
No I'm not making it up, in fact Apple could be facing a lawsuit regarding their policy of permanently disabling repaired devices with their update with no warning whatsoever. How you find it totally acceptable for Apple to intentionally brick your device lose your data without warning is beyond me, fanboi or not!
08 February 2016, 09:10 PM
#60
They should get their money back for the bad repair then take it in to Apple to get it done properly. In the meantime go to www.icloud.com and crack on.