dpb

I think Polar M600 has better heart rate sensors And connections to Bluetooth sensors on bikes, which this Apple watch Mark 2 doesn't appear to do
It's got android operating system as well

JackClark

The heart rate sensor is as good as any on the market, tests have been conducted. Until OS3 apps have not had direct access, which has made Strava a bit rubbish, new version should fix that... downside being more battery usage.

If your'e dead serious about monitoring during endurance exercise I'd buy a separate monitor, if you're a casual like me I'd wait for OS3.

JackClark

Seems Apple can make Watches desirable.

http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/0...pple-watc.aspx

Have a custard pie.

Geezer

Not really, they sold about 230 million iPhones in 2015, about 7 million watches, so not even the iSheep are taking to it. The fact it is so expensive is why the actual monetary figure is that high. Pretty poor performance really. But, not anyone else is doing that great on them either, which is the whole point of the thread.

Have a pie back

jonc

JackClark

Are you ignoring the fact that only Rolex is doing more business than Apple in the watch market, in year one! How is that "Not really"? Couldn't be more really, really. My money says you said the same about the iPhone, flash in the pan

JackClark

That was very different, fool.com were stating facts that a certain fool didn't want to hear.

toffee_pie

hahaha, Jack here is a legendary iSheep

They should have an iJack product named after him

I have a Citizen watch myself, as accurate as a Rolex and will outlive me and all them useless Apple watches that will be in WEEE bins in a few years time.

toffee_pie

Wakey Wakey Jack. People who buy Rolex have a different mindset than iSheep, these people want watches that they can pass onto their grandchildren. Its not like someone who owns a Rolex or any other premium marque will be in the market for an iSheep watch.

In fact anyone who knows anything about timepieces would avoid an Apple watch in the first place.

iSheep watches are just to go along with all the other over priced products fanboys will snap up.

JackClark

You are allowed more than one watch, two wrists after all.

It's a shame you're such a hater, the Apple Watch is a great device, you'll just have to make do with second best, like your watch, not quite a Rolex.

toffee_pie

Of course it's a great device.You would hardly say it's a bad device, that would be uncharacteristic of you Jack.

A citizen watch will long outlast junk from Apple, I don't need to recharge this every night and I won't be sending it to a recycling plant in a few years.

toffee_pie

Ruomour has it that the iPhone 8 will have OLED with a glass body (strikingly similar to a S7 edge in fact), they could call this the iJack8 in dedication to our resident sheep here.

Fanboys, welcome to the 21st century.

JackClark

You're going to lose if your trying to say Apple copy Samsung, LOL.

lozgti1

You're Jack. Punctuation police around.Lol

bioforger

iTrader: (1)

Probably typed out from his iphold.

Geezer

Mmm,no, the iPhone was always going to be a smash, and Kudos to Apple for it. Other people make better smartphones now, but credit where credit is due. Apple sold a shed load of iPhones in the first year, and it has grown, they haven't sold a shed load of watches, and the growth, whilst there, is v small.

I just don't think wearable tech is there yet, I know people with smart watches, I have one myself (a present I might add!), and everyone is of the same opinion, they just aren't worth the money. Mine is just used as a watch pretty much, the novelty wears off (no pun intended). It's good because it always has the right time, but that's about it.

JackClark

Is it an Apple Watch? They're really useful, even tells me when to breathe. Paying for things is my #1 feature, its crazy how long I can go with just my watch as a payment method, wallet is long gone and cards aren't with me all the time.

Seriously though, how can you say Apple haven't sold a load of Watches is beyond me. They've sold a ginormous amount in Watch terms. Ginormous!

You'll need to define 'better' for me too. Lots of smartphones are better at running Android than an iPhone but than doesn't make them a better smartphone. Unless you're specific it's far too subjective.

dpb

Pay with phone , recorded on Garmin watch

toffee_pie

Q2 2016, Apple shipped 40.4M iPhones and 1.6M Smartwatches over the same period (a 55% decline over the same period in 2015)

If anything it says the demand for them is fading away, you could say that just 4% of people who buy iPhones buy Apple watches, clearly apple would like this to be near 100%.

I see no point in them myself, my watch being a fantastic Citizen that needs no battery and no maintenance tells me the time accurate to the nearest atomic clock signal it receives.

My phone has S Health that provides more than enough information as to my well being, down to and including caffeine intake, it doesnt tell me when to breathe but that maybe a unique feature for Iphone users.

dpb

I think you'll need to do more than gauge your O2 on the way to Starbucks to take advantage .

JackClark

I keep thinking I'll get a Garmin for my bike, then I remember that I tracked 100k on my old iPhone and I'm not doing that every day so it's just not worth it.

S Health is all well and good Custard Pie but it can't match having something attached. Let's say I fall off my bike again, not only can I tell what time I fell but also I can stop Strava and call for recovery, if I've done a good job there's a button that calls the emergency services for me and tells them where I am, if I did a proper job then my medical info is right there on screen. All this while recording my heart rate and using that data to saves lives. Imagine what it can do when you don't fall off.

toffee_pie

All that is well and good but little use if you get knocked down by a bus and someone arrives to see your battery dead.

As well as S Health, which itself is as comprehensive a health monitoring app as anyone could need, the Samsung also has emergency mode, you could probably tell ok google to call an ambulance as well but I have not tried this.

http://www.androidcentral.com/how-us...sung-galaxy-s7

This has been out on the Galaxy S5 I belive, you know when they had full HD displays.

JackClark

I see your mistake, it's an easy one to make, when you press the emergency button it calls your mate who may or may not be in, mine calls the emergency services, 999 in this country but works around the world. You might see this on Nexus devices in the future but I doubt Samsung could pull off such a collaboration. Trust issues I would think.

The battery on my year old Apple Watch is great, it's at 60% right now and I tracked an hour of exercise earlier. I charge it every night just like my phone, but can drag it out for two if needed. It actually better than when I bought it, only Apple do that.

dpb

What have you actually recorded on it Jack this last day ?

toffee_pie

Better enjoy it while it lasts, Jack. That 'watch' wont hold a days charge in a year and will be in a WEEE bin soon after.

The battery @ 200mAh is the smallest on a smart watch, only Apple do that.

JackClark

My heart rate and movement.

JackClark

Amazing isn't it, so efficient that it only needs a small battery, I hear the Samsung one has twice the battery, half the features and doesn't last as long, how is that possible??

While we're talking similar, how come google didn't copy Samsung?

toffee_pie

Samsung are too busy selling award winning and best selling smartphones to give a care about smart watches tbh.

you always know the iPhone with 4 icons on the display.

who knows, maybe Apple fans will be blown away in 2017 when they enter the 21st century.

toffee_pie

very taxing stuff that...

JackClark

That looks awful, like two old operating systems on one phone. Google have the right idea, make it more like Apple. When are you getting the latest version, it's been out for months. Side note, more people are using iOS 10 than iOS 9, that's after a couple of weeks.