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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
OK this is obviously a wind up (a pretty sick one).

You win, you got me to bite
Just let them blame the nasty lefty menace and get it out of their system. There really is no point trying to debate in these threads.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Just let them blame the nasty lefty menace and get it out of their system. There really is no point trying to debate in these threads.
Every time one of these atrocities happens, more and more bleeding heart liberals wake up and smell the coffee.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 09:24 AM
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Feel sorry for the victims and their families, no one deserves to go out on a night out and end up in the middle of something like this.

This is unfortunately one of the many consequences of medaling in other countries affairs, we and our allies appear to have learned nothing from Iraq.

They are just giving the west a taste of it's own medicine, and what a bitter pill it is too, innocent people all around the world dying because of corporate greed, then the revenge starts, it's Isreal and Palestine all over again only now it's Europe against the Middle East and Africa etc.

It's an un-winable war and now they're bringing it to us, it was only ever a matter of time before something else happened and unfortunately it's only a matter of time before the next attack from these lunatics.

Very sad times indeed, I really don't know what this world is coming to, but I'm sure no good will come from any of this.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 09:33 AM
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Awaiting Leftist/liberal/humanitarian spin.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
Awaiting Leftist/liberal/humanitarian spin.
Sure there's already loads on the BBC. Hopefully people are avoiding that as a a source of 'news'.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 10:03 AM
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A point that just came to mind.

Maybe if the French had done a little more about letting all the immigrants have a free reign to transit through to Calais instead of all the political posturing, these people wouldn't have the weapons or network to do this sort of thing, all well and good closing the borders now, but as this shows it's all a bit too little too late.

As usual the innocent suffer while our political elite pontificate and posture for position.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
A point that just came to mind.

Maybe if the French had done a little more about letting all the immigrants have a free reign to transit through to Calais instead of all the political posturing, these people wouldn't have the weapons or network to do this sort of thing, all well and good closing the borders now, but as this shows it's all a bit too little too late.

As usual the innocent suffer while our political elite pontificate and posture for position.
I might be reading it wrong, but you're saying that France should have let all and sundry have free roam?
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
A point that just came to mind.

Maybe if the French had done a little more about letting all the immigrants have a free reign to transit through to Calais instead of all the political posturing, these people wouldn't have the weapons or network to do this sort of thing, all well and good closing the borders now, but as this shows it's all a bit too little too late.

As usual the innocent suffer while our political elite pontificate and posture for position.
The murdering scum behind last night's attacks were almost certainly French-born, second or third generation immigrants living in the country legally, not the types you'd see queuing up outside ferry terminals or laybys around Calais every night waiting for their turn to break into a lorry.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 10:17 AM
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I might be reading it wrong, but you're saying that France should have let all and sundry have free roam?
Yep you're reading it wrong, I mean the exact opposite of that.

They should have done more to stop them, now the place is full of god know who from god knows where.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by markjmd
The murdering scum behind last night's attacks were almost certainly French-born, second or third generation immigrants living in the country legally, not the types you'd see queuing up outside ferry terminals or laybys around Calais every night waiting for their turn to break into a lorry.
I agree, but you're missing my point, I said weapons and network.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Yep you're reading it wrong, I mean the exact opposite of that.

They should have done more to stop them, now the place is full of god know who from god knows where.
See my earlier post.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
I agree, but you're missing my point, I said weapons and network.
You might want to do a slightly better job of making it then. Calais is a full 600 miles from France's eastern and southern borders, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't find the connection between what goes on there and the infiltration of weapons or terrorist agitators at opposite ends of the country particularly obvious.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 10:56 AM
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Its a disgrace what has happened but this is getting like the 1940's. SS reign with all the kass exodus and not knowing if there is real IS supporters in the asylum camps. It will trigger lots of attacks on inocent muslems and they always said world war 3 would start in the middle east.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 11:04 AM
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Do not watch if of a sensitive disposition.



Simple murderers.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 11:12 AM
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This has nothing to do with the migrant and refugee crisis, the assailants were home grown French speaking nationals who, apparently, were known to the French authorities. Is it a surprise to see the typical knee jerk reactions, no not really.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jonc
This has nothing to do with the migrant and refugee crisis, the assailants were home grown French speaking nationals who, apparently, were known to the French authorities. Is it a surprise to see the typical knee jerk reactions, no not really.
Agreed. The majority of asylum seekers see militant Islam as the enemy.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 11:25 AM
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The objective has been achieved, kill a few and alarm the masses.

The thing with terrorism is that it can never be defeated with common law - it demands a smarter approach than that - terrorists (arguably not as extreme as these) were not defeated in NI in over 40 years.

Thoughts are with the families of those who didn't return from a night our last night.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by markjmd
You might want to do a slightly better job of making it then. Calais is a full 600 miles from France's eastern and southern borders, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't find the connection between what goes on there and the infiltration of weapons or terrorist agitators at opposite ends of the country particularly obvious.
You may alsowant to do a slightly better job of reading what I wrote, as you're actually helping to make my point.

So 600 miles of un-hindered progress across France to make it to Calais, like I said, god only knows who else came in and what weapons they bought with them under the guise of being a refugee.

These people didn't walk into a gun shop in france and buy weapons, ammo and explosives, they've received them via a terrorist network of some description, people who no doubt came into the country via some sort of clandestine means carrying explosives and arms.

So back to my original point, if they'd have done more in the past few years, then maybe these home growns wouldn't have they weapons they do now, and yet again god only knows what other weapons have been smuggled in a similar manner.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
Sure there's already loads on the BBC. Hopefully people are avoiding that as a a source of 'news'.
Leftists/Liberals/PC types/White apologists/Labour voters always blame Islamist's hatred of Homosexuals, dogs, pigs, public affection, Jews, non-believers, polytheism/shirk, women's rights, (cartoon) depictions of Mohammed, those raped outside of marriage and all things haram on foreign policy!!

...this is the problem.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
You may alsowant to do a slightly better job of reading what I wrote, as you're actually helping to make my point.

So 600 miles of un-hindered progress across France to make it to Calais, like I said, god only knows who else came in and what weapons they bought with them under the guise of being a refugee.

These people didn't walk into a gun shop in france and buy weapons, ammo and explosives, they've received them via a terrorist network of some description, people who no doubt came into the country via some sort of clandestine means carrying explosives and arms.

So back to my original point, if they'd have done more in the past few years, then maybe these home growns wouldn't have they weapons they do now, and yet again god only knows what other weapons have been smuggled in a similar manner.
If you stopped to think about it for just a minute, you'd realize that smuggling people and smuggling illicit goods across borders are two very different activities, which have mutually contradicting criteria for success. If you want to get illicits goods across a border, your best chances of doing it undetected will be to use people on both sides of it who have 100% legitimate reasons for being there, and will therefore arouse the least amount of suspicion about their activity. That pretty much rules out entrusting the task to illegal immigrants or anyone who doesn't even a valid passport. If you want to smuggle people across a border, your best chances of doing it undetected will be to make sure those people are doing the very least possible to attract unnecessary attention to themselves, which pretty much rules out having them or allowing them to carry illegal drugs, weapons, or anything else with them that border security are going to be on the lookout for.

In other words, your theory that smuggling weapons or explosives goes hand in hand with illegal immigrants sneaking into the country is so full of holes it hardly bears thinking about at all.

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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 11:58 AM
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this sort of thing has been happening in the east for years, now its on our door step for people to actualy see for there own eyes.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
You may alsowant to do a slightly better job of reading what I wrote, as you're actually helping to make my point.

So 600 miles of un-hindered progress across France to make it to Calais, like I said, god only knows who else came in and what weapons they bought with them under the guise of being a refugee.

These people didn't walk into a gun shop in france and buy weapons, ammo and explosives, they've received them via a terrorist network of some description, people who no doubt came into the country via some sort of clandestine means carrying explosives and arms.

So back to my original point, if they'd have done more in the past few years, then maybe these home growns wouldn't have they weapons they do now, and yet again god only knows what other weapons have been smuggled in a similar manner.
Which part of....these are home grown French terrorists did you not understand, Or are you implying the immigrants filled up the dinghys with guns and bombs?...Living in the western world 'Anything' and I mean anything is available if you know the right person, These ***** were born and bred in France and chose to do what they did!!!
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Originally Posted by RS_Matt
Leftists/Liberals/PC types/White apologists/Labour voters always blame Islamist's hatred of Homosexuals, dogs, pigs, public affection, Jews, non-believers, polytheism/shirk, women's rights, (cartoon) depictions of Mohammed, those raped outside of marriage and all things haram on foreign policy!!

...this is the problem.
More twaddle
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 12:12 PM
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All I can say is shut the gates now and stop anymore coming into England before this **** in France happens over in UK. a very sad day for France but as they say this is a act of war so NATO get off your *** and finish it
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
More twaddle
Honestly it's not worth rising to. You can't argue with someone who's default stance is to blame the lefties.
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by madman69
All I can say is shut the gates now and stop anymore coming into England before this **** in France happens over in UK. a very sad day for France but as they say this is a act of war so NATO get off your *** and finish it
Alas I think it's too late to shut the gates. I think the inevitable will happen here
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 12:34 PM
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IS confirmed they were behind the attacks. I seem to recall they had mentioned about flooding europe with their people, and that probably did happen, with them mixed in with the other syrian refugees, and they just bided their time.

This isn't going to endear the refugees to anyone, as people *will* think "Are there any more lurking within the refugees?". Who is going to want to take a chance on letting additional refugees into their country? Isn't there meant to be some charter flight of Syrian refugees due into Glasgow next week? I wonder if that'll happen now?

Coincidence that it's mentioned this Jihadi John character who is / was IS? Perhaps some kind of retaliatory attack for that?
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Old Nov 14, 2015 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Honestly it's not worth rising to. You can't argue with someone who's default stance is to blame the lefties.
...and the Left blame the right (and Foreign Policy as ignored), believing people like Griffin, Robinson, Jones, Le Pen, Geller and Farage etc create ripples in the water.

Swings and roundabouts.
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Errrrrrrrr, when I asked about what should happen to our media for slanting the news so that the majority of the UK WANTED more immigrants disguised as refugees, I was shouted down. Told it wasn't happening, wouldn't happen as I said. I was right.

What now?

How ironic to see that this is the first item on the news. And the third? OUR first planeload of refugee immigrants arrives today! You couldn't make it up.

I see the morally bankrupt left are about again, shouting down our outrage, eh Martin?
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Errrrrrrrr, when I asked about what should happen to our media for slanting the news so that the majority of the UK WANTED more immigrants disguised as refugees, I was shouted down. Told it wasn't happening, wouldn't happen as I said. I was right.

What now?

How ironic to see that this is the first item on the news. And the third? OUR first planeload of refugee immigrants arrives today! You couldn't make it up.

I see the morally bankrupt left are about again, shouting down our outrage, eh Martin?
You are shameless
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