Who do you trust?

 

Most of my friends relations and some members of my community but they all have a common link they trust me and respect me for who I am, my religious views or not. And if the unlikely time I offend them they are man enough to face me and call me a c*nt or vice versa, not seek off in large groups condemning me and my likes calling me a infidel and wishing me grieves harm. That is a concern.

 

Doesn't mean I don't have an understanding of what they represent. I did do R.E. at school if that helps.

I've not read the Highway code in over 25 years and even then only flicking through the pages just enough to pass a test. Doesn't mean I'm not proficient enough to use the road. I can navigate my way round just fine.

 

I've noticed from reading numerous comments on various news sites (even the loony-left rag of choice, the Guardian) and it's amazing that they seem to totally underestimate the actual scale of the migrant crisis.

With the 'open door' policy resulting in approx 1.5 million extra people here[EU], we're looking at 3-4 million next year (possibly more, and this is before they've settled and brought over family members). The potential numbers of migrants who believe they could get a better life in Europe runs into the hundreds of millions from Africa and the Middle East alone.

How many of these people can Europe take, and what exactly will these people do?

EU wide there is an 11% unemployment rate, however many of the migrants are young males that would fall into the Youth category, and current youth unemployment in the EU is 22% - some places like Spain and Greece have youth unemployment of over 50%.

Regardless of whatever race or religion these people are, what are they actually going to do? Are we suddenly going to start massive amounts of labour intensive manufacturing? With Chinas exports slowing massively due to low demand this seems unlikely. Are we going to teach them all the local lingo and train them up to do skilled jobs? Not really realistic.

Combine all this with already massively indebted governments, overstretched welfare, lack of housing, school places, hospitals etc. How is this going to be a benefit, or do we just pretend we can help everyone less well off than us and just see how it pans out?

I agree we should help the most needy, but the most needy probably aren't able to pay people smugglers to get to the EU and the ones that can get here will be almost impossible to remove. Can't see this being anything other than a disaster in the making, but hope I'm proven wrong.

 

I think that's why it's called a crisis.

Our doors are shut to these people, a point completely lost on the morons that signed that pathetic 'close the borders' petition.

The UK is only taking a very few, hand picked families, directly from refugee camps in the region, that's it.

 

I think it's more of a crisis because the signal being sent out is that if you get into Europe you'll have a very good chance of being given leave to stay, and thus access to the EU welfare/healthcare/jobs markets. If I lived in a poor country in Africa or the Middle East I'd do exactly what millions of them are doing and do whatever I could to get to the EU.

But the point I'm making is that now we have millions flooding in, what are they going to do?

 

Short term - help as many as we can where they live, and take the refugees we can sustainably handle
Medium term - destroy ISIS and get rid of Assad
Long term - actually do something substantive to create economic development in the 3rd world.

Nothing but 'hard yards' I'm afraid

 

You don't have a monopoly on love and compassion JTaylor

 

So how many can we sustainably handle? 50,000? 500,000? 5 million? Do we limit to Syrians, or are we saying ok to others from areas of unrest, Eritreans for example? So they'll just join the racks of the unemployed or live on welfare?

Destroy ISIS is obvious, but get rid of Assad as well, and try the successful tactic of forcing democracy on people - worked so well in Iraq and Libya right?

Long term - are we helping the economic development of the 3rd world by encouraging their most able members of the populations to get to/settle in the EU if they can?

I'm sure your heart is in the right place as you want to help others, but many people are not thinking this through. We'll just end up in a position where we're no longer able to help the most needy in future as we've tried to help too many people in the present.

 

Not sure what choice we have, it won't happen of course because no politician would have the ***** to lead on this.

 

I doubt you grasp much at all, I am now thinking you have reached the state of diagnosable mental illness. But I'm no doctor so whatever.

The point is, no one is calling for apartheid. A one way plane ticket out of here is more like it. Dont like it here? Dont let the door hit your fat **** on the way out

 

Ah SN's very own hate preacher returns - btw I'll pay for your ticket

 

and the hundreds of thousands that will get here after being given a eu passport in 5 years time is the hidden agenda as to why the current benefits system is being trimmed to the bone, ready for when they all arrive,

 

I certainly don't, Hodgy, but I believe Jesus does.

 

That is probably going to be the biggest problem along with housing, schooling and waiting lines at your local health centre and hospital.

Wait until they start knocking babies out it's going to be standing room only at hospitals up and down the country.

As someone that pops in and out of the UK I have noticed a marked difference in the last 5yrs especially when I go down to the local ghetto in to buy exotic type food stuffs, the place is heaving with foreigners of all descriptions, and there must be 10 barber shops on a 100m stretch of road, one for every different nation I suspect.

I was also in London a couple of weeks ago, man what an over crowded **** hole that is, you couldn't barely move for people on the streets, tube station and the tubes themselves were bursting at the seams, god knows what it must be like trying to get an appointment at the doctors down there.

Problem is it's only going to get worse, glad I'm out of it tbh.

 

and "believe" is the key takeaway from that sentence

 

Yes. And used deliberately. I don't claim to be able to apply the scientific method to my belief, but I do think there is such a thing as absolute truth. The Man Jesus of Nazereth preached a radical message of love and forgiveness and the God-Man offered hope and salvation. There is a difinitive right from wrong in this universe, an objective morality, and Christ reflected and reflects perfect goodness. That is why I follow Him and strive to be more Christ-like in my life. Salafist Muslims, on the other hand, strive to emulate Mohammad and anyone who knows that man and that book will understand the evil that infests North Africa, the Middle East and South Asia. Now that is scientific - observable, testable fact.

 

If Jesus was real and he did return I would be the first in line to grab him around his neck and show him compassion with an ever tightening grip for the condition his dad let this world get into. The **** died once, he would have no issues with dieing again.

 

Luke 23:34

 

Forgive us????? It should be him asking for forgiveness from us.

 

This is the philosophy of the anti-Christ; he seems to be running amok at the moment. I'll pray for you.

 

Please make sure that it includes me winning a lot of money and having all the women I could possibly want but with non of the whining they bring.

 

Careful what you wish for.

 

ISIS believe the world will end with a big scrap in Jarusalem and Jesus will come down and take us all to eternity.

He's got a lot to answer for, has this fictional character from that old book.

 

interestingly I believe this is what the fundamental Christian (right) believe in the US

and it drives their foreign policy toward Israel and the middle east

google something like

"fundamental Christianity and the end of days"

 

On annindividual level, perhaps we should follow his example......at least for now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34862437

 

yes, I read that mans story in the paper

lost is wife!! :-(

powerful stuff

 

Nah, keep dropping bombs on them, it's the only thing they understand, they don't care what we or anyone else thinks.

Even if the west gave them everything they asked for it would never be enough.

In fact do people like IS even say what it is they want to achieve?

 

Loads of these on YouTube all much a muchness the place is feeked not going to be a quick fix no wonder so many are fleeing Syria

 

I've read a couple of articles about what it is that ISIS are aiming to achieve, and the both say they want the apocalypse to happen, ending in the scenario I mentioned a couple of posts ago, but then in one of those articles it also says that they believe sending suicide bombers to kill a hundred or so people is done to protect thousands of others, which to me sounds a bit of a contradiction given their aim for apocalypse.