What a load of b------s!

 

On the contrary; it's demonstrative of a person bereft of a background conducive to the effective application of hermeneutics. So there.

 

 

So by playing the game of hermeneutics you have to conclude that the bible is akin to Aesops fables and you only pic and choose those stories which you believe are truly divine

so where does your faith in Jesus and presumably therefore the resurrection and the laws of nature part company.

The video on the parting of the seas I assume you inserted for its comedy value ?? you should send it to Kent hovind and bananman and the idiot kid crocoduck they'd swallow it whole



By the way here's some real comedy

 

I have to draw no such conclusion. There is a clear and decisive difference between a fable and the kind of Biblical exegesis of which I talk. If you can't distinguish between a parable, metaphor, allegory, mythology, poetry, wisdom literature and plain history then you risk disqualifying yourself from the exchange.

I believe the whole of the Bible to be divine; it's the God-breathed word.

I believe Jesus to be God incarnate and therefore the creator of the universe. As such it is perfectly reasonable and logical and rational to expect such a being to be able to suspend the laws that He designed. When One can create the universe, performing miracles is a walk in the park.

Sorry, you've lost me.

Irrelevant. Quite funny though.

 

Yes, potholer is a legend, I have posted him before,

Watch this video as he demolishes the anti science "feelies"

 

6.37

Genesis 8 (in a Senate hearing)

W the fvckedy Fvck

 

http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/miracle.png



Can you you provide the evidence!!!!

 

Quite why you boys are wittering on about young earth creationism is almost beyond me. I can only assume that because it is the soft under belly of theism you choose to attack it rather than my position which is theistic evolution.

 

Yes, I can understand why you want to paint my response with the “young earth creationist” brush

After all it is the low hanging fruit - but in reality a straw man argument

If you look at the video I posted, it does not deal with young earth creationism – indeed Senator Shimkus does invoke Genesis, chapter? verse whatever, in a hearing about science FFS – you are correct

But he could easily have quoted Dr Suez, in his seminal work, “Green Eggs and Ham", Gandalf in LOTR or any number of imaginary figures in any number of works of fiction

Indeed his input into the whole debate would be no less enhancing if he said that the Fantastic Four will sort the world’s problems out

So forget “creationism” it is a side show – what really is the issue is a fundamental theist outlook on life – so devastatingly represented by that cartoon

Amazing that in the 21st century we have an assault on science, an assault on reason an assault on humanity - and it comes from the imams and ayatollahs of the Middle East alongside the right wing fundamentalist in America and the UK

Where ignorance is taught as a virtue

Ted Cruz, a presidential candidate announced his running at the Liberty University – it teaches young earth creationism – google it

The current mess we are in in the Middle East is a direct consequence of this deeply flawed theist thinking – (I have heard that the Bush administration employed quite a few Liberty University “graduates” (I use the word graduates advisedly) in his foreign office staff - maybe someone can google that

so maybe the lack of planning in the aftermath of the Iraq wars was a direct result of the “then a miracle occurred” thinking – the “League of Super Heroes ” approach to the worlds problem

 

Whilst I agree with your comments regarding Islamism and the Christian-right, I cannot agree with your comparison of The Bible with the fiction you cite. But you're only just wrong. Had you mentioned Geisel's How the Grinch Stole Christmas you'd have referenced a trinity of works which carry themes rooted in Abrahamic theism. The aforementioned's relevance will be self explanatory to anyone who's read it, Tolkein's LOTR famously echoes his deeply held Catholic convictions and the Famous Four is a classic tale of good v. evil. For me, this illustrates how the foundational book that is The Bible has punctuated not only the arts and our architecture and science and so on, but also our innate consciousness. The Bible is the book of books.

Separately, if you want to continue to debunk literal creationism, I'd recommend you register on Ken Ham's site 'Answers in Genesis'. That will really get your blood boiling. Please, please understand that you and I share the same worldview in terms of origins all the way back to Big Bang; it is the infinite regress prior to singularity where you and I differ: I ascribe and attribute the eternal timelessness to God the Father, you don't.

There's only one superhero, maybe one day you'll meet Him.

 

James


Do you accept that God may not exist in any way shape or form, other than via the belief you and others hold?

 

Yes.

 

Hebrews 11:1

 

Hebrews 11:8

Your mamma is so old we all gangbanged her

 

I've been praying for you.

 

This.

 

As we know there are numerous versions of Bibles,Korans and Klorans (if you are in the KKK) etc etc etc and all open to interpretation.

Interpretations aside I still struggle to see any so called miracles happening or being made to happen by un-worldly creatures. But those "in the know" will state that those inspired to scientific discovery have received the ideas or answers from "a god". But why is it that only in oppressed, third world, ill educated nations that religion is still taken seriously?

Is it that they are so desperate for something, that they have f**k all to aspire to and have no access to the truth?

 

Yes, but there has been enough of an advance in linguistics and particularly the study of Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek, for theologians to have an accurate translation of the original texts. Additionally, exegeses of this text, after nearly two thousand years of study, have been honed and we now have versions of the Bible that are scripturally accurate and available to anyone who cares to look.

In a recent Bible study I attended we explored the Greek word 'doulos' which means slave. Throughout much of the King James this word has been translated as servant or bond-servant, but not so. I am not a servant of Jesus, I am His slave. He is not my employer from whom I may walk on a whim; he is my Master and I have been paid for by His blood.

Every breath I take is a miracle.

Perhaps people in the third world find consolation in Christ (or erroneously and sadly in a false prophet) because they find hope where otherwise there would be none. Perhaps they can find joy in faith where we find joy in junk food and **** and television. I am fortunate enough to have met a number of missionaries in the short time that I have been a Christian and I can assure you that those who have embraced the true God have found a way to lead a deeply fulfilling life without the need for the gross materialism that the west 'enjoys'. Would you have them devoid of faith? Jesus came for the meek and the sick and the underprivileged; the righteous and those filled with pride, those who serve man, do not need Him.

What is the truth?

 

but through EVERY stage in human evolution the bible has been shown to be incorrect - i.e wrong

human knowledge and understanding of our world is like an ever-growing light, illuminating the darkness created by fear and superstition

that cartoon demonstrates that with blinding simplicity

the bible has retreated at every single stage of human advancement - apart from the obvious

it is nice to be nice

 

Just for Taylor - God is drunk at a party.

Very funny and hopefully offensive.

 

God reveals the nature of His creation through the scientific method. As David wrote in Psalm 19: "The heavens declare the glory of God and the sky above proclaims his handiwork." Paul talks of the same in Romans where he states that men are "without excuse" regarding their knowledge of God for it is all around them and again found in God's work.

My Christianity is not superstitious and the only fear I feel is that which is synonymous with awe; it is the kind that preceeds wisdom. Jesus is the light in a dark world.

What roll do you think Christianity has played in the advancement of scientific understanding in the west, Hodgy?

 

Do mean "Christianity" per se

Or Christians

 

Christ>Paul>Christians>Christianity...

In other words one wouldn't have Christianity without Christians so I'd say the two are interchangeable. It would be quite possible for an atheist to have been influenced by the Christian zeitgeist and a Christian to have contributed towards scientific discovery independent of his faith, but within a culture of Christianity.