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Old 14 October 2015, 01:42 PM
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This is a very short piece by someone with whom I have recently struck-up a friendship. It's a review copy so you'll have to scroll down occasionally. Please take a half hour to read it and if you'd like I can pass on your feedback to Glen.

https://www.10ofthose.com/cmsfiles/F...f%20the%20book
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Soon as I saw the religious quotes the big "X" was used
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
Soon as I saw the religious quotes the big "X" was used
Wasn't the word 'Christmas' in the title a big enough clue?
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
Soon as I saw the religious quotes the big "X" was used
As soon as I saw this post i did not even click the link
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I got as far as his clever clever comments about turkey, and closed it. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Wasn't the word 'Christmas' in the title a big enough clue?
No, because as I am not delusional I have always treated christmas as a seasonal holiday and not religious.
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
No, because as I am not delusional I have always treated christmas as a seasonal holiday and not religious.
I see. Are you a shopper at Christmas?
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Not really.......just buy stuff for my daughter really....but never do it during the xmas period......normally done by mid-December
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
Not really.......just buy stuff for my daughter really....but never do it during the xmas period......normally done by mid-December
How old is your daughter, if you don't mind me asking?
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She is 8
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
She is 8
So what do you teach her about Christmas?
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Firstly Christmas is in December, we haven't even had Halloween yet!
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Originally Posted by jonc
Firstly Christmas is in December, we haven't even had Halloween yet!
By the author of the 'book' linked above.

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Originally Posted by JTaylor
How old is your daughter, if you don't mind me asking?

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Originally Posted by JTaylor
By the author of the 'book' linked above.

Halloween: Trick or Treat? - YouTube
Check the video at 02:02 - bright red ear - clearly Satan.

Apart from that, the way he talks, the speech patterns and the accent reminds me of the comedian Tim Minchin.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
So what do you teach her about Christmas?
Not much really....we just tell her it is a holiday revolving around family where santa brings presents to children who have been good that year. In no way do we infer that religion plays any part in the event.
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
Not much really....we just tell her it is a holiday revolving around family where santa brings presents to children who have been good that year. In no way do we infer that religion plays any part in the event.
Fair enough. So you don't tell her the truth that Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, but you do tell her about a fictional, omnipotent gift-giver who only rewards certain children and does so by coming down a chimney having flown through the sky on a sleigh. Incidentally, you do know that 'Santa' is a manifestation of St. Nicholas, right?
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Well, Christmas was only invented at that time as it made it easier to convert pagans to Christianity. It is well documented that JC was alledgedly born in September according to most literature.

I am sure she knows that santa is not real and if she asks I will tell her it is fictional.
imo believing in santa is nowhere near as dillusional or hurtful as believing in God and church by proxy
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
Well, Christmas was only invented at that time as it made it easier to convert pagans to Christianity. It is well documented that JC was alledgedly born in September according to most literature.
Agreed, Christmas is symbolic.

I am sure she knows that santa is not real and if she asks I will tell her it is fictional.
Fair enough.

imo believing in santa is nowhere near as dillusional or hurtful as believing in God and church by proxy
What's hurtful about believing in God?
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There is nothing hurtful in believing in God (or a superior "something" whatever that may be" per se. It is often the baggage that comes with that - indoctrination and doing things according to a fictional book and guy and especially doing stupid things because the bible says so such as believing evolution is fictitious and that the world is only 5000 years old etc

I have no issue with people who have faith and leave it there. I do not like religion as this is just the perversion of faith. But please please do not try to convince me that God is real etc etc...I am not a child. When I die, I rot in the ground etc
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He clearly has no idea how to cook a turkey properly!!! aside from that, thank you for sharing.
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I find people who speak in rhyming couplets a bit boring

one minute the voice is quiet - then soring
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Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't
Check the video at 02:02 - bright red ear - clearly Satan.

Apart from that, the way he talks, the speech patterns and the accent reminds me of the comedian Tim Minchin.
yes indeed f**k the mother f***ing pope LOL.
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Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
There is nothing hurtful in believing in God (or a superior "something" whatever that may be" per se. It is often the baggage that comes with that - indoctrination and doing things according to a fictional book and guy and especially doing stupid things because the bible says so such as believing evolution is fictitious and that the world is only 5000 years old etc

I have no issue with people who have faith and leave it there. I do not like religion as this is just the perversion of faith. But please please do not try to convince me that God is real etc etc...I am not a child. When I die, I rot in the ground etc
What commands of Christ do you consider stupid? Additionally, I'm a Christian and yet I accept evolution and believe the world to be about 4.5 billion years old. You're right about faith, my denomination asserts the doctrine of sola fide (faith alone) as being sufficient for salvation and Jesus himself considered religiosity sinful. As for death, many find that the prospect renders their life hopeless, the promise of the sting of death being trampled under foot is deeply restorative.

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He clearly has no idea how to cook a turkey properly!!! aside from that, thank you for sharing.
I thought that about the turkey, done properly (plenty of butter under the skin etc) it can be lovely and moist - have told Glen he's wrong. Thanks for reading, TT.

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I find people who speak in rhyming couplets a bit boring

one minute the voice is quiet - then soring
'Tis a terrible thing to be said of the verse,
Though line two of your post does the terror reverse.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Fair enough. So you don't tell her the truth that Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, but you do tell her about a fictional, omnipotent gift-giver who only rewards certain children and does so by coming down a chimney having flown through the sky on a sleigh. Incidentally, you do know that 'Santa' is a manifestation of St. Nicholas, right?
Fictional and omnipotent gift giver ? but the church claims him as a saint canonised on the basis of some extremely dubious "miraculous" exploits something about resurrecting butchered children from a barrel and suddenly his validity is beyond question ?


the huge and critical difference here is NOBODY takes Santa clause seriously beyond childhood.
It is quite rightly dismissed way before puberty as a little nonsensical.
it persists as a bit of fun and is used perpetually as the biggest weapon in the arsenal of parenting's dirty tricks

However loaves and fishes?, Noah and the flood? (makes the Santa clause fantasy seem tame in comparison), Adam and Eve and a talking snake ?, Lots wife as a pillar of salt?, The parting of the sea by Abraham etc, etc, ad infinitum, and ad nasuseam.

As a grown up and (theoretically) mature adult christian you are expected to take all these ridiculous fables without question from a book that has all the credibility of thousand year old game of chinese whispers but Santa is stoopid ???? ironyometer just exploded
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Originally Posted by mattstant
Fictional and omnipotent gift giver ? but the church claims him as a saint canonised on the basis of some extremely dubious "miraculous" exploits something about resurrecting butchered children from a barrel and suddenly his validity is beyond question ?


the huge and critical difference here is NOBODY takes Santa clause seriously beyond childhood.
It is quite rightly dismissed way before puberty as a little nonsensical.
it persists as a bit of fun and is used perpetually as the biggest weapon in the arsenal of parenting's dirty tricks

However loaves and fishes?, Noah and the flood? (makes the Santa clause fantasy seem tame in comparison), Adam and Eve and a talking snake ?, Lots wife as a pillar of salt?, The parting of the sea by Abraham etc, etc, ad infinitum, and ad nasuseam.

As a grown up and (theoretically) mature adult christian you are expected to take all these ridiculous fables without question from a book that has all the credibility of thousand year old game of chinese whispers but Santa is stoopid ???? ironyometer just exploded
You seem to take everything literally, Matt. A talking snake? Global flood etc? Can you not see the truth in Lot beyond a naïve interpretation? And it was Moses who parted the 'Red Sea', though I think the article below may help with your understanding.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/w...sea-in-exodus/

In other words, because I have faith in Jesus, I'm not divorced from the reality of the laws of nature.
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Originally Posted by mattstant
Fictional and omnipotent gift giver ? but the church claims him as a saint canonised on the basis of some extremely dubious "miraculous" exploits something about resurrecting butchered children from a barrel and suddenly his validity is beyond question ?


the huge and critical difference here is NOBODY takes Santa clause seriously beyond childhood.
It is quite rightly dismissed way before puberty as a little nonsensical.
it persists as a bit of fun and is used perpetually as the biggest weapon in the arsenal of parenting's dirty tricks

However loaves and fishes?, Noah and the flood? (makes the Santa clause fantasy seem tame in comparison), Adam and Eve and a talking snake ?, Lots wife as a pillar of salt?, The parting of the sea by Abraham etc, etc, ad infinitum, and ad nasuseam.

As a grown up and (theoretically) mature adult christian you are expected to take all these ridiculous fables without question from a book that has all the credibility of thousand year old game of chinese whispers but Santa is stoopid ???? ironyometer just exploded
Perfectly put


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