hodgy0_2

do you have any comparison between well run/managed jails

i.e. what does a well run/managed jail look like

c_maguire

Are there any?

Surely it can't be that difficult to keep drugs, weapons (that are not home-made), mobile phones etc out?

Give me a prison to run, let me run it without interference, and I guarantee any problems with the above will be contained.
If a prison is kept clean, with nothing to trade or threaten, and controlled communication with the outside, then it should be possible to get the right result.

Like everything else, politics and money are more than likely the biggest problem with prisons.

As an experiment it would be interesting to let the army run one. Without interference.

ditchmyster

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Don't be daft, association, where they all get together and play pool, weight training, table tennis or in the yard or just your cell mate.

Had mates that I grew up with go inside for all manner of stuff. (you don't get to choose where you grow up) I'll add in my very much younger days. Watched searches at young offenders institutes, borstals and HMP's before and after visits. Known of guards that were on the take for money, prostitutes and blackmail or just plain scared because someone found out where they were from through being "friendly" with the screws or by being top lad and the screw turning a blind eye for an easy life.

At the end of the day all people are corruptible, it's only a matter of price / what they value and criminals by nature are devious mo fo's.

Don't get me wrong I ain't no bad *** and I have never been to jail, but I grew up in a time and place where this was nothing new, fortunately and but for the grace of god, I never got involved in anything too serious, but I saw it often enough to know when it was time to get out, I also had good parents that taught me right from wrong and instilled a good work ethic in me.

Not everyone is that fortunate.

Norman Dog

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Used to go to school with one of these two.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...ed-14-10108716

Genuinely nasty piece of work by all accounts.

Anyone remember when the Northumbria Police Sierra Cosworth was stolen a few years ago?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-1456263.html



Another lowlife piece of **** that deserves every minute of his 7 years.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...t-ear-10062593

Phil3822

No murderer is ever released early. They will be sentenced to life with a tariff of x amount of years. They must serve that time then they will be up in front of a parole board who will decide if they should be released. Often prisoners are at least 5 years post tariff. The life part in the UK refers to the licence conditions. As in they are subject to conditions for life and can be recalled at anytime for any offence. Of course, this is all dandy but unfortunately many prisoners are released, reoffend often with larger offences and the damage is done once again.

Also, some prisoners are progressed through the prison system to quickly like into open conditions prior to tariff expiry date. Most Scandinavian countries are softer than the UK however many countries are much tougher then the UK.

I am surprised the parole board has suggested Noye be moved to open conditions so soon following tariff expiry date. For Noye though it is up to the Secretary of State for Justice and historically its not uncommon for them to disagree with parole board panel.

ditchmyster

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To be fair though, Noye although obviously a career criminal is hardly a major danger to the public aged 68 it's not like he's 30/40 where I would be more inclined to offer caution, the blokes nearly 70, at the end of the day a 16 yr old could give him a good slaping, so I don't really see putting him in an open prison as a real biggy, not like he's going to be running away climbing over the walls or a big fence.

hodgy0_2

Well I doubt it,

And surely the tough stuff, the military type regimes, have been tried in other countries and not really made a difference

Dirk Diggler 75

Don't be so sure ....

ALi-B

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What I was talking about earlier about SLOPPY JOURNALISM:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-34359392That statement alone makes no sense.

What has happened is he has been give a life SENTENCE, with a minimum of 8 years in jail.

How these dippy journalists (and I use dippy as the kindest word for their incompetence) amazes me; If they fail to grasp the difference from a sentence to a jail term I'm staggered that they are capable of wiping their own **** after going to the loo!