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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 04:34 PM
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Million dollar question is, which is which?

On a side note, i'm not religious in the slightest but I'd love to see all the "science disproves god" bunch proven wrong.
Science and theism is perfectly compatible.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 05:56 PM
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Whether they have been here or not is open to opinion.If they have the ability to travel half way across the universe they could easily observe us without us knowing.Also all the silly sci-fi films that see us battling aliens are a joke.
If they were friendly they would leave us alone & if they were aggressive they could wipe us out in the blink of an eye without us even knowing about it.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:05 PM
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Or may be they're like feral cats who don't give a Fekk whether we/our planet exist or not! They probably just blank us and fly over us in their far superior aircrafts, as they have better things to do than do anything with/to us- good or bad. Perhaps they just leave us to bang our heads against one another.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
A lot of peeps say that they believe in aliens more than in God.
Have to say, im one of them (one of the peeps , not an alien lol)
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:11 PM
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I had an experience many years ago as i was looking out over towards the Lickey Hills and Lngbridge area.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kevo10
I had an experience many years ago as i was looking out over towards the Lickey Hills and Lngbridge area.

What was your experience, Kevo10?
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kevo10
Have to say, im one of them (one of the peeps , not an alien lol)
For a minute I thought you were claiming to be an alien, and we needed to go and then at that!
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:21 PM
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Sos, Was about 900 pm quite dark and approx 4 mil es away , i saw 3 lights leave the ground at a 45 degree angle , join up approx 500 feet , and then go vertical at an amazing speed into the night sky. Dont know what it was but amazed me at the time an still does to this day
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:22 PM
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Stephen Hawkings suggests we should re-double our efforts


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33598535
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
For a minute I thought you were claiming to be an alien, and we needed to go and then at that!
And thats why i put it in brackets,I know what you are like lol
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:22 PM
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My thoughts are , we were here just about a month ago
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kevo10
And thats why i put it in brackets,I know what you are like lol

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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:34 PM
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Was watching Discivery science a while back . Apparently. evidence is growing in the scientific community. that all the building blocks of life , oxygen, water and the rest of the concoction came to this planet in its infancy , so in a way , we are all aliens .
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by kevo10
Was watching Discivery science a while back . Apparently. evidence is growing in the scientific community. that all the building blocks of life , oxygen, water and the rest of the concoction came to this planet in its infancy , so in a way , we are all aliens .
Well, yeah! Some are more alien then others, though.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:44 PM
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I know its sci-fi , but i watched Prometheus the other evening. Did makeme wonder watching the 1st fifteen mins or so
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:47 PM
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whatever we think extra terrestrial life might be, history says we will be wrong
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:54 PM
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Firm believer.......the only real intelligent life in the universe certainly will not be found on Planet Earth
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Science and theism is perfectly compatible.
Never said it wasn't. My argument is with those that use 'because science' as a reasoning for God not existing.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Never said it wasn't. My argument is with those that use 'because science' as a reasoning for God not existing.
Not sure what you think science is, but it in reality it is pretty agnostic, it simply build theories based on (falsifiable/testable) evidence

It is not in itself for or anti anything

A scientific theory will (and has/does) change when better evidence/data comes along

Science NEVER claims to have all the answers, only an idiot would suggest otherwise

Ps a scientific "theory" has a specific meaning

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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Never said it wasn't. My argument is with those that use 'because science' as a reasoning for God not existing.
Yes, I was just hammering home the point. As disparaging as it may sound, I find that there's a dearth of wisdom in ungodliness; this notion that because we are beginning to understand creation we can somehow do without Him. We want to be God and it brings in to stark relief the story of the tree of knowledge.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 08:05 PM
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Speak for yerself
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Not sure what you think science is, but it in reality it is pretty agnostic, it simply build theories based on (falsifiable/testable) evidence

It is not in itself for or anti anything

A scientific theory will (and has/does) change when better evidence/data comes along

Science NEVER claims to have all the answers, only an idiot would suggest otherwise

Ps a scientific "theory" has a specific meaning
There is a movement called scientism, a philosophical position comparable to logical positivism.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 08:11 PM
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Its so much waffle lol
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 08:24 PM
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Michael shermer nails it in this TED talk, informative a funny



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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
There is a movement called scientism, a philosophical position comparable to logical positivismy.
Yes, I can understand why you would want to give it a "label"
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Yes, I can understand why you would want to give it a "label"
It's valid and justified.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Not sure what you think science is, but it in reality it is pretty agnostic, it simply build theories based on (falsifiable/testable) evidence

It is not in itself for or anti anything

A scientific theory will (and has/does) change when better evidence/data comes along

Science NEVER claims to have all the answers, only an idiot would suggest otherwise

Ps a scientific "theory" has a specific meaning
Oh for **** sake. I really can't be arsed with clarifying yet a other point in this pointless discussion.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 09:19 PM
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We'd need to use the Earth's entire resources to get to our "2nd" nearest star and it would take 4,000 years at our current top speeds.

UFO's (other world crafts) exist but short of suddenly evolving near by they won't ever visit us.


...and no, using black holes is like jumping over a wave to get across the ocean.

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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 11:30 PM
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In earth's history there has never been an example of an invading race treating the natives with anything approaching respect. I am sure an alien arrival would similarly prove very detrimental to human existence so, if they exist, I hope aliens go and land somewhere else.
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Old Jul 20, 2015 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kevo10
Sos, Was about 900 pm quite dark and approx 4 mil es away , i saw 3 lights leave the ground at a 45 degree angle , join up approx 500 feet , and then go vertical at an amazing speed into the night sky. Dont know what it was but amazed me at the time an still does to this day
I hope I have just as much of a cosmic experience if I ever see my watch reading 900pm

(Sorry, cheap shot and only meant in jest).
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